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Posted 11/10/08

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I learned that Catholic believed that Mary is a virgin. Christian doesn't believe that Mary is virgin. I don't really know a lot about it


Marry was was virgin only before birh of Jesus, but later few Jesus brothers and sisters were born in usual way
So technically Mary is not a virgin now


Maybe Joseph raped Mary and created jesus ? But there is not a chance in hell that she got pregnant because of a mystical being. It's Impossible.


No, according to bible Jesus is result of sex with pigeon, that is more like bestiality or birdiality.
or in more skeptic way probably some random local "angel" came to visit her.
Joseph married Marry when she was pregnant already and he was quit upset about that.


Pigeon ? As in the bird ? From what I know of pigeons are a result of years of random birds breeding with each other. So your telling me a bird had sex with a human ? That is awesome in my book.
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Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Fubura1992 wrote:

I learned that Catholic believed that Mary is a virgin. Christian doesn't believe that Mary is virgin. I don't really know a lot about it


Marry was was virgin only before birh of Jesus, but later few Jesus brothers and sisters were born in usual way
So technically Mary is not a virgin now


Maybe Joseph raped Mary and created jesus ? But there is not a chance in hell that she got pregnant because of a mystical being. It's Impossible.


No, according to bible Jesus is result of sex with pigeon, that is more like bestiality or birdiality.
or in more skeptic way probably some random local "angel" came to visit her.
Joseph married Marry when she was pregnant already and he was quit upset about that.


I learned from my communion and confirmation class said that God chose Mary to born his son Jesus. God makes Mary pregnant with his child, which is Jesus. But Mary also has a husband Joseph. So basically the Catholic believes Mary is a virgin because she has God's child. I don't really know if this is true or not. That how I learned from my communion and confirmation class.
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I don't really understand... Catholics actually consider it the real flesh and blood? not just a symbol/representation of the real flesh and blood?


it's considered a miracle of mass. the priest says the blessings for both the bread and wine and the bread becomes the body and blood of jesus. it's a reinactment of the final supper, basically.
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i dunno .. but my question is what's the difference between

Protestant, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc.
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What the fuck? I'm sorry to break it to you guys but all those who seriously replied are idiots, Why? Because the Topic Starter posted 2 topics along with this that also contain a long copy pasta yet none show whether he is even interested with the topic, Rather it shows possible flamebaits that could start unnecessary arguments, The answer is quite obvious and yet you guys allow yourselves to be trolled.
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Posted 11/10/08

Fubura1992 wrote:


Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Fubura1992 wrote:

I learned that Catholic believed that Mary is a virgin. Christian doesn't believe that Mary is virgin. I don't really know a lot about it


Marry was was virgin only before birh of Jesus, but later few Jesus brothers and sisters were born in usual way
So technically Mary is not a virgin now


Maybe Joseph raped Mary and created jesus ? But there is not a chance in hell that she got pregnant because of a mystical being. It's Impossible.


No, according to bible Jesus is result of sex with pigeon, that is more like bestiality or birdiality.
or in more skeptic way probably some random local "angel" came to visit her.
Joseph married Marry when she was pregnant already and he was quit upset about that.


I learned from my communion and confirmation class said that God chose Mary to born his son Jesus. God makes Mary pregnant with his child, which is Jesus. But Mary also has a husband Joseph. So basically the Catholic believes Mary is a virgin because she has God's child. I don't really know if this is true or not. That how I learned from my communion and confirmation class.


either you do not undestood or they lied to you.
according to bible Mary gives virgin birth to Jesus, but her life does not end at that moment. Jesus brothers and sisters were not products sons of God anymore and bible mentions that Jesus had quite a big family.
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i dunno .. but my question is what's the difference between

Protestant, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc.


ok, we talked a lot about this in my history class last year, so i'll try to explain in a nutshell.

before the protestant revolution, the catholic church was *the* church. it wasn't called catholicism, it was christianity. later, a christian theologian named martin luther posted a list of things he was against with in the church itself called the 95 theses. the church was corrupt at that time and many people were starting to doubt it. martin luther realized that you didn't have to be saved by your works, but having full faith in god and jesus as your savior. eventually, people began to follow what martin luther said and it eventually evolved into protestantism. it's interesting because martin luther only wanted to better the church, not create a whole new denomination. there are a lot of other things that happened, but i don't remember it all

the other denominations are branches of protestantism were started by different theologians from different countries. they usually have different beliefs in religious practice and how to live daily life and whatnot...
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Man that makes god sound like a total bitch. Heh, so the devil helps people out a lot eh, for what reason ? So if god is this mass murdering asshole why do so many people warship him ? Out of fear ? Kinda makes satan sound like a good person when you put it that way.


well if he kills the one you want to be killed he is your good friend :)
you do not consider that killing your enemies is a sin.

anyway, I recommend you to read these books
http://www.vaidilute.com/books-downloads.html by Leo Taxil
it is very funny but correct interpretation of bible and Evangelia
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What the fuck? I'm sorry to break it to you guys but all those who seriously replied are idiots, Why? Because the Topic Starter posted 2 topics along with this that also contain a long copy pasta yet none show whether he is even interested with the topic, Rather it shows possible flamebaits that could start unnecessary arguments, The answer is quite obvious and yet you guys allow yourselves to be trolled.


I would not care about that too much, all these threads grow to infinity anyway and nobody sane reads them.
original question is answered already, and now just some pointless babbling is going.
also it is goo way to earn CR points for everyone
i still need to make another 100 posts somehow to reach 500 points
Posted 11/10/08

ichbinfroh wrote:


Enylla wrote:

I don't really understand... Catholics actually consider it the real flesh and blood? not just a symbol/representation of the real flesh and blood?


it's considered a miracle of mass. the priest says the blessings for both the bread and wine and the bread becomes the body and blood of jesus. it's a reinactment of the final supper, basically.


I see, I understand now.

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puppet89 wrote:

i dunno .. but my question is what's the difference between

Protestant, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc.


difference is quite clear, Church is highly autocratic, and can only have one pope.
so if you want to be a leader you need to start new branch.

there is very little ideological difference between them since all use same bibles and do same stuff, however all they have different leaders.

of course we also can analyze exact ideological differences between branches of church.
for example protestants propose idea that there is no need to waste money on keeping pope and no need for big fancy church.
they seem to be most democratic of all

orthodox are almost same as catholics, but they are more related to original Christianity dogmas than catholics and they look more like Jews.

I don't know about others but idea is always same new leader need new church.
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Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:

Man that makes god sound like a total bitch. Heh, so the devil helps people out a lot eh, for what reason ? So if god is this mass murdering asshole why do so many people warship him ? Out of fear ? Kinda makes satan sound like a good person when you put it that way.


well if he kills the one you want to be killed he is your good friend :)
you do not consider that killing your enemies is a sin.

anyway, I recommend you to read these books
http://www.vaidilute.com/books-downloads.html by Leo Taxil
it is very funny but correct interpretation of bible and Evangelia


Books, Nah.
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Posted 11/10/08

Erehe wrote:

What the fuck? I'm sorry to break it to you guys but all those who seriously replied are idiots, Why? Because the Topic Starter posted 2 topics along with this that also contain a long copy pasta yet none show whether he is even interested with the topic, Rather it shows possible flamebaits that could start unnecessary arguments, The answer is quite obvious and yet you guys allow yourselves to be trolled.


But arguments are fun. So what if the topic started copied and pasted, it saves time. that's why it was created.
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Are Catholics Christian?

I have an Evangelical friend who asked me:

"what is the difference between Catholics and Christians?"

I had to scratch my head for a few moments because it never occurred to me that some people didn't think Catholics are Christian. I explained to him that that is kind of like saying "what is the difference between Americans and U.S. citizens?" The name Christian predates the Evangelical community by over a millennium, as do the words Bible, and Trinity.

I think it is good that Evangelicals and Catholics have lively and animated discussions on the interpretation of Scripture. That's the spice of life. Evangelicals do that with each other all the time. That's why there are so many different denominations. However, I have a big problem with any organization that says "Catholics are not Christians," because they are ignoring the history of Christianity. Some who advance this theory, spend a lot of effort pulling Vatican statements out of context. By saying we are not Christian they think they can get around Jesus' call to Christian unity (Jn 13:34). I got an email that said:

"I am wondering if you are truly Christian then why do you call yourselves Catholic? Believers were called Christian in Acts 11 & no other denomination or religion."

I could ask the same question, "why do Baptists, Pentecostals, United, Methodist, or even nondenominational communities use those words and not simply say Christian?" The word Catholic was used before the end of the first century to distinguish the Church of the Apostles from heretical teachings. St. Ignatius of Antioch, apostolic Father and bishop, was a disciple of St. John, along with St. Polycarp. The Church historian Theodoret says Ignatius was consecrated bishop by St. Peter, who was the first bishop of Antioch before going to Rome.

Ignatius was martyred in Rome under Emperor Trajan's rule. It was during the journey to Rome that he wrote his famous letters that contain invaluable information about the early Church. He was the first to use the term "Catholic" in it's current form to describe the Church. It means universal. Ignatius' use of the word shows it was in common use. His is the earliest extant writing which has "ekklesia katholicos" where Catholic is an adjective modifying "Church" in the nominative. In Acts 5:11 and 15:22 we find "holen ten ekklesian." It is derivative of the same root as katholicos and is in the nominative and is translated as "The Whole Church" and then in Acts 9:21 we find εκκλησια καθ'ολης (ekklesia kathholes) and here Catholic is also an adjective, but it does not modify "Church" because it is in the wrong case but rather modifies the words following. Best translated as "the Church throughout the whole
of..."

Catholic" referring to the Whole Church was a term in common use at the time but Ignatius' writing is simply the oldest still existing text which contains a specific form of the phrase we still use today as a proper name. That of "ekklesia katholicos". Which means"Universal Church". But the terms "holen ten ekklesian"="The Whole Church" and "ekklesia kathholes"="The Church throughout the whole of" were also in use, and by the Apostles no less.

In 325 A.D. the Catholic Church discerned the Holy Spirit's voice when it formed the doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, three person's in one). Yup, the "Trinity" is a Catholic doctrine that predates the Evangelical community by 1200 years. That word isn't even in the Bible. The Catholic Church protected Christianity from the Arian heresy that almost gutted Christianity in the 4th century when many began to believe Jesus wasn't "fully God" and "fully human."
The Catholic Church protected the Bible

The Catholic Church protected the Bible across the ages until the Gutenberg press was invented. Century after century, Monks in Monasteries faithfully copied Scripture. It would take each monk a lifetime to copy one Bible and thousands of faithful Catholics dedicated their lives to this work. Catholics protected the Bible over the centuries of wars, famines, plaques, the fall of Rome, fires, and threats from all sides. This was long before any other denomination existed. And the Catholic Church chose which books to include in the Bible in the Synod's of Hippo (393 AD) and confirmed it at Carthage (397 AD). The non-Catholic scholar Peter Flint, who translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, tells us that there was no Bible until 397's when the Catholic Church infallibly decided on what books belong there. Before that there were hundreds of letters and the Septuagint.

Even the word Bible is not in the Bible. It was coined by Catholics. It means books from the Greek word βυβλος-byblos meaning "papyrus", from the ancient Phoenician city of Byblos which exported papyrus, the "paper" of the day. We love the Bible. Honest!

Some Evangelicals claim they have a direct connection to the early Church of the first centuries that bypasses Catholicism. If that is so, I would think the beliefs of modern Evangelicals would reflect the beliefs of the early Church. However, any time spent studying the Church Fathers will make it abundantly clear that early Christian beliefs were Catholic. The Church Fathers believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, honoured Mary, had elaborate ceremonies, prayed for the dead, respected the Church hierarchy, baptized babies, recognized Peter as the Rock, built the Church upon him with successors and followed a rich tradition of Christianity. That was the Christianity of the early days, and is the Catholic Church of today. A timeline of the Catholic Church from 1-500 A.D. is here. Beginning with the apostles, century after century, Catholics died so that Christ's message would reach the nations. Yes, we are Christians.

Whether or not someone agrees with Catholic doctrine is their prerogative. But all who look at history will admit that Catholics are clearly Christian. "No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor 12:3)

Jesus has called Christians to unity "that they may all be one, as you Father, are in me and I am in you." (Jn 17:21) I hope we can love one another as He has loved us. (Jn 13:34).

Jesus Christ is Lord of all. If you have never made a personal decision for Christ, I beg you to do so now. It was the best thing I ever did. Here is an article that shows you how to do that.
In the early Church, it was neither called Orthodox nor Catholic, but in the Bible, wasn't it was called "the way?

Mark Bonomero answers: The early Church was called BOTH "Orthodox" and "Catholic." St. Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of the Apostles, calls the Church by both these names as early as A.D. 107. The term "the Way" was used by Jewish Christians to describe the Christian Faith of the New Covenant to non-Christian Jews. From the Jewish Christian point of view (and indeed from the point of view of both the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church today) the Church of Jesus Christ is not something separate from Israel, but is the true Israel --the true manifestation of the Chosen People (see Gal 6:16, 1 Peter 2:9-10, etc.). This is why the Eastern Church is correct to refer to the saints of the Old Testament as "St. Abraham" and "St. Moses," etc. For, we are not a replacement for Israel of old, but an unbroken continuation of Israel under the promised King and Messiah of Israel, and His Church is His Kingdom of Israel, expanded to include all the Gentile peoples of the earth. And so, in Acts of the Apostles, when you have Jewish Christians addressing their fellow Jews who are not yet full Christians, you will see them refer to it as "the Way" --that is, the true manifestation of Israel --the "sect" that truly represents Israel, as opposed to the other Jewish sects (the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots, etc.) who did not recognize the true King of Israel, Who is the only "Way" --the "Way, the Truth, and the Life." But, when Gentile Christians spoke of the Church, they stressed its truth and its universality; and this is why and how the terms "Orthodox" and "Catholic" were applied to the Church. And those two terms exist today.

Lord Jesus, let Your prayer of unity for Christians
become a reality, in Your way
we have absolute confidence
that you can bring your people together
we give you absolute permission to move
Amen



Catholics are christians but not all christians are catholics. What you probably mean are whats the difference between Christians and Protestants. The difference is that Catholcis believe in a lot of bull shit not in the bible like purgatory and confessing sins to a priest and priests not allowed to marry and stuff. Protestants on the other hand believe that the Bible is the only way and don't believe in anything else.


Heh, so if you believe in the bible then you must know this :


So let me ask you why you have a mass murder as your god ? And yet killing is a sin ? Doesn't make any sense to me, that means that god contridicts himself now doesn't it ?


You have to know that the old testament and the new testament are completely different. In the old testament, their sins were not forgiven, they were only looked over meaning even the purest believer of God was dirtier than the dirtiest Christian. God hates sin, he has no use for it, and therefore doesn't need the people who have it (i know it sounds cruel but you have to realize we are creations and he is the creator.) However, once Jesus died, we became changed as now the Blood of Jesus is over us and we are forgiven of our sin. So now, we don't get killed for commiting sins. Do you see what I'm saying?
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Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:

Man that makes god sound like a total bitch. Heh, so the devil helps people out a lot eh, for what reason ? So if god is this mass murdering asshole why do so many people warship him ? Out of fear ? Kinda makes satan sound like a good person when you put it that way.


well if he kills the one you want to be killed he is your good friend :)
you do not consider that killing your enemies is a sin.

anyway, I recommend you to read these books
http://www.vaidilute.com/books-downloads.html by Leo Taxil
it is very funny but correct interpretation of bible and Evangelia


Books, Nah.


well it depends on how fast you can read, and i think it was quite a fun way to learn truth about bible which they are trying to hide.

Of course that is just a waste of time anyway
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