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Posted 11/15/08

Allhailodin wrote:


wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:

, you think so? it is not that simple, buffer overflows exploits don't last long since script kiddies trash all servers, that have them, almost instantly. and you must be real good hacker to find such overflow, and also it requires lots of work to actually use it.

basically hacking is a war between software programmers and hackers, and you know programmers are not trained monkeys, they no worse than hackers.
you may overlook something insignificant, but if someone finds buffer overflow in you software you will be pissed of enough to fix that in the same day.


If you actually look and put some time into it, there are tons of things you can do to hack a server. Overflow the buffer. ive even heard of people using custom packets to hack servers.

But i think it would be totaly fun to crash a server. just for the hell of it.


I don't see any fun of crashing server for someone you don't know, and you will not even see results.
server will just be back on line after some time with that security hole fixed and all you will, have a week or more of hard work wasted.
it is basically like you break windows for completely unknown people.
If you take control of some server it is much more valuable for virtual wars, you can use it to attack someone, or if you are really evil then you can inject viruses and take control over bunch of computers, then steal their data or do even more evil things(since you usually wont find anything useful anyway to steal).
for example I once used my ISP server to kick out users from IRC to advance faster in order to download.
Of course there are many ways to hack, but it is rare that at least one of them will work on something you target.


Nah its not much work to exploit a buffer, if its for example a 30 byte buffer, then i believe you would send something 29 bytes or 31 bytes large i forget at the moment, then send your own code and the server excutes it.

just try it and you will not talk so anymore.
it does not work in that way at all.


Eh, I'm really lazy, so hacking anything, is too much work, if I want something hacked, I'll get someone to do it for me.


Your not alone



About being lazy ?


about both, hackers can be easy to find if you know were to look


Posted 11/15/08

RaikuRoak wrote:

Hacking?
I don't need it.
Never been hacked or have hacked.
I just need Utorrent or google to find the stuff I want.


me neither
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Posted 11/16/08

wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:

, you think so? it is not that simple, buffer overflows exploits don't last long since script kiddies trash all servers, that have them, almost instantly. and you must be real good hacker to find such overflow, and also it requires lots of work to actually use it.

basically hacking is a war between software programmers and hackers, and you know programmers are not trained monkeys, they no worse than hackers.
you may overlook something insignificant, but if someone finds buffer overflow in you software you will be pissed of enough to fix that in the same day.


If you actually look and put some time into it, there are tons of things you can do to hack a server. Overflow the buffer. ive even heard of people using custom packets to hack servers.

But i think it would be totaly fun to crash a server. just for the hell of it.


I don't see any fun of crashing server for someone you don't know, and you will not even see results.
server will just be back on line after some time with that security hole fixed and all you will, have a week or more of hard work wasted.
it is basically like you break windows for completely unknown people.
If you take control of some server it is much more valuable for virtual wars, you can use it to attack someone, or if you are really evil then you can inject viruses and take control over bunch of computers, then steal their data or do even more evil things(since you usually wont find anything useful anyway to steal).
for example I once used my ISP server to kick out users from IRC to advance faster in order to download.
Of course there are many ways to hack, but it is rare that at least one of them will work on something you target.


Nah its not much work to exploit a buffer, if its for example a 30 byte buffer, then i believe you would send something 29 bytes or 31 bytes large i forget at the moment, then send your own code and the server excutes it.

just try it and you will not talk so anymore.
it does not work in that way at all.


Eh, I'm really lazy, so hacking anything, is too much work, if I want something hacked, I'll get someone to do it for me.


Your not alone



About being lazy ?


about both, hackers can be easy to find if you know were to look




Thats true. But most people wont know where too look.
Posted 11/16/08
Dunno I wouldn't really use it unless I needed to fix something for my friend.
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Posted 11/16/08

Allhailodin wrote:


wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:

, you think so? it is not that simple, buffer overflows exploits don't last long since script kiddies trash all servers, that have them, almost instantly. and you must be real good hacker to find such overflow, and also it requires lots of work to actually use it.

basically hacking is a war between software programmers and hackers, and you know programmers are not trained monkeys, they no worse than hackers.
you may overlook something insignificant, but if someone finds buffer overflow in you software you will be pissed of enough to fix that in the same day.


If you actually look and put some time into it, there are tons of things you can do to hack a server. Overflow the buffer. ive even heard of people using custom packets to hack servers.

But i think it would be totaly fun to crash a server. just for the hell of it.


I don't see any fun of crashing server for someone you don't know, and you will not even see results.
server will just be back on line after some time with that security hole fixed and all you will, have a week or more of hard work wasted.
it is basically like you break windows for completely unknown people.
If you take control of some server it is much more valuable for virtual wars, you can use it to attack someone, or if you are really evil then you can inject viruses and take control over bunch of computers, then steal their data or do even more evil things(since you usually wont find anything useful anyway to steal).
for example I once used my ISP server to kick out users from IRC to advance faster in order to download.
Of course there are many ways to hack, but it is rare that at least one of them will work on something you target.


Nah its not much work to exploit a buffer, if its for example a 30 byte buffer, then i believe you would send something 29 bytes or 31 bytes large i forget at the moment, then send your own code and the server excutes it.

just try it and you will not talk so anymore.
it does not work in that way at all.


Eh, I'm really lazy, so hacking anything, is too much work, if I want something hacked, I'll get someone to do it for me.


Your not alone



About being lazy ?


about both, hackers can be easy to find if you know were to look




Thats true. But most people wont know where too look.


thats why you know someone with connections and usually one hacker can lead you to others with various degrees of expertice.

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Posted 11/16/08

wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


wingz74 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:

, you think so? it is not that simple, buffer overflows exploits don't last long since script kiddies trash all servers, that have them, almost instantly. and you must be real good hacker to find such overflow, and also it requires lots of work to actually use it.

basically hacking is a war between software programmers and hackers, and you know programmers are not trained monkeys, they no worse than hackers.
you may overlook something insignificant, but if someone finds buffer overflow in you software you will be pissed of enough to fix that in the same day.


If you actually look and put some time into it, there are tons of things you can do to hack a server. Overflow the buffer. ive even heard of people using custom packets to hack servers.

But i think it would be totaly fun to crash a server. just for the hell of it.


I don't see any fun of crashing server for someone you don't know, and you will not even see results.
server will just be back on line after some time with that security hole fixed and all you will, have a week or more of hard work wasted.
it is basically like you break windows for completely unknown people.
If you take control of some server it is much more valuable for virtual wars, you can use it to attack someone, or if you are really evil then you can inject viruses and take control over bunch of computers, then steal their data or do even more evil things(since you usually wont find anything useful anyway to steal).
for example I once used my ISP server to kick out users from IRC to advance faster in order to download.
Of course there are many ways to hack, but it is rare that at least one of them will work on something you target.


Nah its not much work to exploit a buffer, if its for example a 30 byte buffer, then i believe you would send something 29 bytes or 31 bytes large i forget at the moment, then send your own code and the server excutes it.

just try it and you will not talk so anymore.
it does not work in that way at all.


Eh, I'm really lazy, so hacking anything, is too much work, if I want something hacked, I'll get someone to do it for me.


Your not alone



About being lazy ?


about both, hackers can be easy to find if you know were to look




Thats true. But most people wont know where too look.


thats why you know someone with connections and usually one hacker can lead you to others with various degrees of expertice.



Tis true.
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Posted 11/16/08
id probably put mad virusses on computers for people i hate :}
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Posted 11/17/08

Digix wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Digix wrote:

, you think so? it is not that simple, buffer overflows exploits don't last long since script kiddies trash all servers, that have them, almost instantly. and you must be real good hacker to find such overflow, and also it requires lots of work to actually use it.

basically hacking is a war between software programmers and hackers, and you know programmers are not trained monkeys, they no worse than hackers.
you may overlook something insignificant, but if someone finds buffer overflow in you software you will be pissed of enough to fix that in the same day.


If you actually look and put some time into it, there are tons of things you can do to hack a server. Overflow the buffer. ive even heard of people using custom packets to hack servers.

But i think it would be totaly fun to crash a server. just for the hell of it.


I don't see any fun of crashing server for someone you don't know, and you will not even see results.
server will just be back on line after some time with that security hole fixed and all you will, have a week or more of hard work wasted.
it is basically like you break windows for completely unknown people.
If you take control of some server it is much more valuable for virtual wars, you can use it to attack someone, or if you are really evil then you can inject viruses and take control over bunch of computers, then steal their data or do even more evil things(since you usually wont find anything useful anyway to steal).
for example I once used my ISP server to kick out users from IRC to advance faster in order to download.
Of course there are many ways to hack, but it is rare that at least one of them will work on something you target.


Nah its not much work to exploit a buffer, if its for example a 30 byte buffer, then i believe you would send something 29 bytes or 31 bytes large i forget at the moment, then send your own code and the server excutes it.

just try it and you will not talk so anymore.
it does not work in that way at all. most of software is well protected from overflows in these days
new CPUs even have hardware protection



if the server is programmed correctly then there won't be many buffer overflow holes
but what you would do is send a large packet to the server
so for example...
char data[32];
would make a character array of 32
what happens when you send a packet of 33 bytes? it overflows.


now if your good, and the program is vulnerable instead of just crashing you can do something like this...
say i send a packet of....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDD
(32 A's, 8 D's) (just using as an example
that would over flow the next 8 bytes after the 32bytes of data in memory, so if that was a call to a certain memory address it would go do the offset in memory for that application "0xDDDDDDDD"
Posted 11/17/08
I would never hack anyone. Its because i just dont know how.
Hackers need a new hobby. ^.^
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Posted 11/17/08
Fun. Missing with people. Many other reasons but it's not worth writing down.
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Posted 11/17/08
i want to hack so i can hack the school computers and change my grades
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Posted 11/17/08
im currently a student in university studying Computing Bsc and they are teaching us hacking? i was very confused because why would they want hackers? but hey its fun!
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Posted 11/17/08
i'd hack for convenience i guess...
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Posted 11/17/08
If i could hack. I would~
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Posted 11/17/08
i have hacker friends.
and i know the basic/complicated stuff.
but i try to not get caught when i do it.
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