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Posted 1/30/09
Does anyone know how many martial arts teach different techniques between men and women? And what are their reasons for doing that?

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Posted 1/31/09

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Does anyone know how many martial arts teach different techniques between men and women? And what are their reasons for doing that?

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Hmm... I've honestly never heard of any that differentiate like that.
In many arts variants are taught to people of different body types and sizes sometimes though.
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No one here practice kendo??? I wanted to ask advice when doing shiai (competition). I will just ask a general question, I usually spar against others kendo practice. How can u predict others movement with just having limited vision to his/her full body and shinai??? I have a min eyes and I usually fight without glasses. I usually wait until they use a dash movement but it always too late to counter if I do that.
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No one here practice kendo??? I wanted to ask advice when doing shiai (competition). I will just ask a general question, I usually spar against others kendo practice. How can u predict others movement with just having limited vision to his/her full body and shinai??? I have a min eyes and I usually fight without glasses. I usually wait until they use a dash movement but it always too late to counter if I do that.


It's never a good idea to try and predict an opponent's moves. Doing so is a weakness as nothing is truly predictable and you will be caught by the illusion that you can predict such things. It is better to simply react. This is the logic rooted in the principle of mushin.
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666monster wrote:

No one here practice kendo??? I wanted to ask advice when doing shiai (competition). I will just ask a general question, I usually spar against others kendo practice. How can u predict others movement with just having limited vision to his/her full body and shinai??? I have a min eyes and I usually fight without glasses. I usually wait until they use a dash movement but it always too late to counter if I do that.


It's never a good idea to try and predict an opponent's moves. Doing so is a weakness as nothing is truly predictable and you will be caught by the illusion that you can predict such things. It is better to simply react. This is the logic rooted in the principle of mushin.

??? What do u mean by react??? Is it the same as me when shiai where all my attack and defense result from a reflex. Didn`t we react cause we see others movement???
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??? What do u mean by react??? Is it the same as me when shiai where all my attack and defense result from a reflex. Didn`t we react cause we see others movement???


The purpose of kata is to program your muscle memory to know instinctively the techniques of your art. This enables one to react to a threat naturally as a matter of reflex. This is the practical point of the concept Mushin. There's also the metaphorical and philosophical aspects of mushin that can only be understood through experience.
You're instructor never taught you about mushin? If not, you should ask them.
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Posted 2/26/09

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666monster wrote:
??? What do u mean by react??? Is it the same as me when shiai where all my attack and defense result from a reflex. Didn`t we react cause we see others movement???


The purpose of kata is to program your muscle memory to know instinctively the techniques of your art. This enables one to react to a threat naturally as a matter of reflex. This is the practical point of the concept Mushin. There's also the metaphorical and philosophical aspects of mushin that can only be understood through experience.
You're instructor never taught you about mushin? If not, you should ask them.


Is that so? I only reach that state in shiai and after a few battle (one or two shiai). After that all my moves were like what u said as a reflex. Is there a way to reach that state in the first match or I just can`t achieve it sooner cause I`m still a beginner. Mushin??? It is the first time I heard about it. I`ll try to find out
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666monster wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


666monster wrote:
??? What do u mean by react??? Is it the same as me when shiai where all my attack and defense result from a reflex. Didn`t we react cause we see others movement???


The purpose of kata is to program your muscle memory to know instinctively the techniques of your art. This enables one to react to a threat naturally as a matter of reflex. This is the practical point of the concept Mushin. There's also the metaphorical and philosophical aspects of mushin that can only be understood through experience.
You're instructor never taught you about mushin? If not, you should ask them.


Is that so? I only reach that state in shiai and after a few battle (one or two shiai). After that all my moves were like what u said as a reflex. Is there a way to reach that state in the first match or I just can`t achieve it sooner cause I`m still a beginner. Mushin??? It is the first time I heard about it. I`ll try to find out


To truly grasp the state of mushin you must train for many years mentally and physically. It took be 4 years of training just to experience it. It's been 7 years and I have now grasped the concept but I still have work to do.
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Posted 2/27/09 , edited 2/27/09

Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


666monster wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


666monster wrote:
??? What do u mean by react??? Is it the same as me when shiai where all my attack and defense result from a reflex. Didn`t we react cause we see others movement???


The purpose of kata is to program your muscle memory to know instinctively the techniques of your art. This enables one to react to a threat naturally as a matter of reflex. This is the practical point of the concept Mushin. There's also the metaphorical and philosophical aspects of mushin that can only be understood through experience.
You're instructor never taught you about mushin? If not, you should ask them.


Is that so? I only reach that state in shiai and after a few battle (one or two shiai). After that all my moves were like what u said as a reflex. Is there a way to reach that state in the first match or I just can`t achieve it sooner cause I`m still a beginner. Mushin??? It is the first time I heard about it. I`ll try to find out


To truly grasp the state of mushin you must train for many years mentally and physically. It took be 4 years of training just to experience it. It's been 7 years and I have now grasped the concept but I still have work to do.


U`re right. Maybe it is just my imagination. There is no way I reach that state i n a short time. Its just when I`m in that shiai, I didn`t even think, Its like my body move on their own. I can`t think any explanation cause I myself, do not remember the technique that I use ( Well, when my friend in the same team told me about my attack, I can`t even remember did I do it or not).
( Its kind of creepy to not even remember what attack did I use)
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666monster wrote:
U`re right. Maybe it is just my imagination. There is no way I reach that state i n a short time. Its just when I`m in that shiai, I didn`t even think, Its like my body move on their own. I can`t think any explanation cause I myself, do not remember the technique that I use ( Well, when my friend in the same team told me about my attack, I can`t even remember did I do it or not).
( Its kind of creepy to not even remember what attack did I use)


Well you've experienced something very similar to mushin. However mushin is a mind state. Train diligently and I'm sure someday you will experience it.
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There's some things I've experienced and I'd kinda like to share them with you people... First coming up about endorphines:

I sometimes train until I can feel the pain and then continue... Especially while training legs... Yeah, that pain *is* quite nasty...
Someone wondering why I do it? The first bit: the more I train, the more I grow. In power, you know. Might not get as much benefit considering only the strenght and stamina, which most people train for, but... The pain. The more you feel pain while training the more pain you can just shrug off when the time comes.

How did I come to do this then? What made me start such training? A normal dude would definitely stop when the pain strikes in. It's a *defensive* mechanism of body for f*'s sake, not just some kind of brain bullying trick that body does just to annoy you... So why? ...The answer is Grappler Baki. Yes, that's an anime series alright. The main character learns about endorphines (which the subbers called "brain coffee" for some reason... It's still annoyin' me...)... Yeah, so the main character learns about endorphines while doing some ultimately bad-ass training to beat a demonic warrior monkey or whateverley. One heck of a creature, by the way. Ehrm. Anyways.
The theory goes like this: You put enough strain on your muscles and they give feedback into the brain in form of a pain signal. Yeah, that's quite true, now isn't it? Then it goes on like: If you continue, ingoring the pain, the brain will attack the unpleasant feeling with endorphines (or the "brain coffee"...) negating it. Yeah, negating the suffering that you've probably prolonged just because you're a masochist or permanently numb. Or just plain insane when it comes to training. When I was just testing it out, I would've fallen just a bit into both of those categories (insane masotraining...?) and a little more than a bit into the category of plain curiosity. Of course I didn't find the feeling then. Not just for curiosity's sake.

Then again, I *am* a bit of an insane in that matter... In time, the curiosity changed into just the pain resistance training, and then just like 'pop' it came to me. The only time I recieved it. It's been almost two weeks already... Yeah well, it *did* feel nice then, and yeah, it felt like a good idea to continue because it didn't hurt anymore... Believe me, it didn't feel that good of an idea next morning anymore, less the few days after. I literally couldn't walk in the first morning...

But then again, it was a really nice experience, and when I've successfully forgotten the next few days I'm definitely going for that feeling once more!


I'm sorry if that's written in a bit of a... personal style, but that's how I wrote it on my pages and that's how I like to keep it. Now for that matter, I don't know if it really was the endorphines, but that's what I believe because that's the first reason that came up and it sounds fairly plausible. But still, I'd like to know if there is anything you guys might know about this phenomenon...?
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