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[Bleach] Which is stronger: Arrancar (Espada) or Vizard?
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I think Vizard would win easy
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yeah im on vizard!
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vizard :3
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Umm, did any of you read the chapters 270 and 271 in the manga?!? Uliquiorra destroyed Ichigo's life and he is only the 4th Espada! Uliquiorra did not even have to draw his sword ---> Stops Ichigo's hollowized attack with only his hands! I really don't think that anything yet compares to the top four Espada. Sure, Ichigo could probably beat 5 and higher, but not the top four. That being said, I still think that Ichigo is the only one who will eventually be able to do it, and I doubt that any of the Vizards could even come close...
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Um How about a spoiler alert next time?
(person who suggested a spoiler button yesterday...tsk tsk )
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i say vizard ftw XD *SLIGHTLY SPOILERISH YET NOT RLLY...* ^ yea but ichigo can only b in that state for lik 10 seconds or sumthin while im pretty sure the othas could b in it for more then a few hrs so they could probly own up tha arrancar
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I think the arancar are stronger..... Think about it. If Aizen wanted to be the strongest, why didn't he make himself into a vizard? Why is he only experimenting with the arrancar? On the other hand...Aizen must be stronger than the arrancar, or else they wouldn't listen to him. On that note... what's up with Aizen, how come he is so much stronger than the other shinigami captins? It almost seems as if he has reached the pinnacle of shinigami power..........and what is up with the captin commander..... how strong is he? Don't you think he should be stronger than Aizen? So many questions..I wish they would answer them already. What is up with the shinigami's aging? Do they die of old age or do they live until they are killed? If they live until they are killed, why do some of them appear older than others.....shouldn't the stop aging at one point?........wierd. Enough questions for now.....
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mauz15 wrote:

Um How about a spoiler alert next time?
(person who suggested a spoiler button yesterday...tsk tsk )


Not all too spoilerish (the thread didn't even say "No Spoilers" to begin with, so)...I did say that it was from the manga and I also said which chapters right before I posted anything. On top of that, I was pretty vague in what I stated (no major details). Plus if we had a spoiler button then this type of thing would not be a problem...So how about it mauz? When are we getting our spoiler button?

Anyways, I know that Ichigo can only maintain his mask for 10 seconds, but during that 10 seconds he is more powerful than any of the Vizards. In short, even though the Vizards could maintain their masks for longer, I don't think that they would stand a chance against half of the Espada...

Now as for Aizen and the Captain Commander both being ridiculously strong (so we are led to believe)...I would guess that it has to do with both of their techniques. Captain Commander Yamoto posses the strongest fire-type zanpakuto ever and Aizen uses an illusion-type (kinda unfair and super-weapon like). Still I would not put it out of the realm of possibilities that Aizen "improved" himself, Jin, and Tohsen somehow...But hey, I guess we will find all of this out eventually...
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sheighton wrote:


mauz15 wrote:

Um How about a spoiler alert next time?
(person who suggested a spoiler button yesterday...tsk tsk )


Not all too spoilerish (the thread didn't even say "No Spoilers" to begin with, so)...I did say that it was from the manga and I also said which chapters right before I posted anything. On top of that, I was pretty vague in what I stated (no major details). Plus if we had a spoiler button then this type of thing would not be a problem...So how about it mauz? When are we getting our spoiler button?


I know I know. (you take me so seriously haha) I don't know about the spoiler button, sorry.


I guess we will find all of this out eventually...


Exactly. Kind of unnecessary question if you ask me.
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Where does it say that Ichigo is the strongest Vizard? He just became one. And Aizen is probably experimenting with the Arrancar first, that way if he wants to improve himself, Toshen, or Jin, then it'd be more safe. The Arrancar most likely listen to him because they're under one of his illusions, out of gratefulness of him creating them, or the three of them know a major weakness which would lead up to an easy win on their part.
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qweruiop wrote:
What is up with the shinigami's aging? Do they die of old age or do they live until they are killed? If they live until they are killed, why do some of them appear older than others.....


I believe it has been explained somewhat, even at the beginning of the series, that the total number of souls are just being recycled. When a person died in the real world, they're sent to Soul Society (assuming they don't go to Hell). If a person dies in Soul Society (also implies in Hueco Mundo) they are reborn in the real world. This is why the Shinigami came into conflict with the Quincy. Instead of purifying the soul (hollows) and exorcising them, the Quincy destroys them, causing an imbalance in the exchange of souls between the real world and the soul world (depicted as the hourglass with red and blue fluids).

As for answering this thread, the Espada seem to have the upper hand, but it looks like the Vizards have much more room for improvement. I cannot infringe with spoilers but I can tell you now that Ichigo has a greater potential than any Vizard introduced so far. In the last episode, masked Hiyori almost got choked to death by hollow Ichigo who isn't even in bankai mode.
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sheighton wrote:

Umm, did any of you read the chapters 270 and 271 in the manga?!? Uliquiorra destroyed Ichigo's life and he is only the 4th Espada! Uliquiorra did not even have to draw his sword ---> Stops Ichigo's hollowized attack with only his hands! I really don't think that anything yet compares to the top four Espada. Sure, Ichigo could probably beat 5 and lower, but not the top four. That being said, I still think that Ichigo is the only one who will eventually be able to do it, and I doubt that any of the Vizards could even come close...


actually, if you remember, during Ichigo's fight against Yami, Ulquiorra sensed that Ichigo reiatsu fluctuating up and down. at its highest, his reiatsu is stronger than ulquiorra's. ichigo just lacks the proper training to maintain his hollow form for an extended period of time like the other vizards.

as for the other vizards, my guess is they are at least a notch above captain-level. but that still isn't enough since the the espada are already above captain-level without fighting in their released state.

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This would be a tough one... when Ichigo is in hollow mode, he can seriously put up a fight even against the 4th espada. The reason he got knocked down was cuz his mask broke off after only a few seconds. If Ichigo can have it on longer, then he probably is stronger. Dont know how he would do against Aizen though... >.>
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Darkwiz34 wrote:

This would be a tough one... when Ichigo is in hollow mode, he can seriously put up a fight even against the 4th espada. The reason he got knocked down was cuz his mask broke off after only a few seconds. If Ichigo can have it on longer, then he probably is stronger. Dont know how he would do against Aizen though... >.>


The length of time is irrelevant in a fight where he can lose quickly. Ichigo can only hold his Hollow form for 12 seconds right now.


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qweruiop wrote:
What is up with the shinigami's aging? Do they die of old age or do they live until they are killed? If they live until they are killed, why do some of them appear older than others.....


I believe it has been explained somewhat, even at the beginning of the series, that the total number of souls are just being recycled. When a person died in the real world, they're sent to Soul Society (assuming they don't go to Hell). If a person dies in Soul Society (also implies in Hueco Mundo) they are reborn in the real world. This is why the Shinigami came into conflict with the Quincy. Instead of purifying the soul (hollows) and exorcising them, the Quincy destroys them, causing an imbalance in the exchange of souls between the real world and the soul world (depicted as the hourglass with red and blue fluids).

As for answering this thread, the Espada seem to have the upper hand, but it looks like the Vizards have much more room for improvement. I cannot infringe with spoilers but I can tell you now that Ichigo has a greater potential than any Vizard introduced so far. In the last episode, masked Hiyori almost got choked to death by hollow Ichigo who isn't even in bankai mode.


Ichigo was more Hollow than anything else during this. If he fought like this all the time, he'd sooner or later end up losing to his Hollow side. And I'm guessing more sooner than later.
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VAIZARD!! the problem is theres much more arancar than vaizard
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