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[Bleach] Which is stronger: Arrancar (Espada) or Vizard?
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w8 a minute aint the shinigami who got a hollow mask vizard and whos a hollow at first but given shinigami powers arrancar
what do you call aizen
well i think vizards are stronger ahahaha captain class beats some arrancar but what if
the captain class powers turns to a vizard



imagine this... zaraki kenpachi in bankai and vizard form.... O_O
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^fool zaraki has no actual spirit in his zanpakto its just a sword = no initial release = no bankai
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Where does it say that Ichigo is the strongest Vizard? He just became one. And Aizen is probably experimenting with the Arrancar first, that way if he wants to improve himself, Toshen, or Jin, then it'd be more safe. The Arrancar most likely listen to him because they're under one of his illusions, out of gratefulness of him creating them, or the three of them know a major weakness which would lead up to an easy win on their part.


Okay, I should have put it this way...Ichigo is potentially the strongest Vizard. In his hollowized form no other Vizard can match him, but he can only maintain it for 10 seconds. Depending on your definition of strength you could say that he is stronger due to that burst-like ability, but at the same time you could say he isn't because the other Vizards have more sustained capabilities...What I do not think that you can argue though is that he has more potential than anyone else, Vizard or Arancar/Espada and if allowed to reach his potential, then won't that be interesting...


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actually, if you remember, during Ichigo's fight against Yami, Ulquiorra sensed that Ichigo reiatsu fluctuating up and down. at its highest, his reiatsu is stronger than ulquiorra's. ichigo just lacks the proper training to maintain his hollow form for an extended period of time like the other vizards.

as for the other vizards, my guess is they are at least a notch above captain-level. but that still isn't enough since the the espada are already above captain-level without fighting in their released state.



Yeah Ichigo has the potential and the massive 10-second burst of power, but that is about it...He still gets owned by Uliquiorra...

Until more recent chapters you don't see a single Shinigami (Captain class or otherwise) beat one of the Espada (and the one that does potentially died, but we still have yet to learn if they really are dead or not ---> the Espada that they beat was the 9th Espada and the only Gillian among the Espada).
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vaizard i wuud assume.... cuz how else will ichigo n them defeat the arrancar ppl?... he's getting training frum vaizard right now, .......... ichigo n his ppl always comes out on top
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^fool zaraki has no actual spirit in his zanpakto its just a sword = no initial release = no bankai


ahaha your the "fool" his sword does have a name he just doesnt know it....jesus morons..if your going to speak on a topic make sure your well informed before doing so next time


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kyocool wrote:


fr33z3r wrote:

^fool zaraki has no actual spirit in his zanpakto its just a sword = no initial release = no bankai


ahaha your the "fool" his sword does have a name he just doesnt know it....jesus morons..if your going to speak on a topic make sure your well informed before doing so next time


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just imagine... how powerfull that zaraki is... if i finally goes bankai... O_O
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Kulangotnipatrick wrote:


kyocool wrote:


fr33z3r wrote:

^fool zaraki has no actual spirit in his zanpakto its just a sword = no initial release = no bankai


ahaha your the "fool" his sword does have a name he just doesnt know it....jesus morons..if your going to speak on a topic make sure your well informed before doing so next time


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just imagine... how powerfull that zaraki is... if i finally goes bankai... O_O


He'll probably be second only to the Commander.
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i don't really like it but i think that arrancar would win though ..... but i think vizard has a 'pilot' gal hahas.... she doesn't look like a vizard type hahas
Posted 4/28/07
well im sorry but its obvious read the chapters sorry for the spoilers but think about whats been happening during ichigos process to turn into vizaird people had to stall his hollow those were the other vaizard's they could barely take on the hollow ichigo and stall him and remember whats her name got powned as well the girl and the only reason grimmjow got powned is because he lost a arm and also ulquiorra went up against hollow ichigo and he released everything he had with one giant getsuga tenshou and ulquiorra came out unscratched if that vaizard girl got hit by that shed be dead she couldnt even stand bein choked by him and not to mention ulquiorra is number 4 duh theres three more even stronger than him!!!! its sooo obvious arrancar would woop vaizard and theres only a few vaizards and theres like 100 arrancar so its really obvious who would win
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^ woah that was really hard to read! Punctuation please... that was one giant run-on sentence. Moving on, I think the Arrancar/Espada are much stronger... though it's hard to tell because we haven't really seen the Vizards fight. Judging from the fights with the Arrancar and Ichigo, who is supposed to be the strongest Vizard, it looks like the Arrancar are stronger. Ichigo got pwned by Grimmjow and Ulquiorria, and they wern't in their released form. Obviously there is plenty room for improvement for Ichigo being the main character and all. We have to wait for later chapters to really know.
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Yeah Ichigo has the potential and the massive 10-second burst of power, but that is about it...He still gets owned by Uliquiorra...

Until more recent chapters you don't see a single Shinigami (Captain class or otherwise) beat one of the Espada (and the one that does potentially died, but we still have yet to learn if they really are dead or not ---> the Espada that they beat was the 8th Espada and the only Gillian among the Espada).




actually, that was the 9th Espada Aaroniro and he just got careless when he was fighting Rukia.

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IceReaper123, What a jumbled mess. If you read the chapters of when Ichigo was training, the Vizards were able to hold him at bay without releasing their own Masks. This only shows that they weren't serious. So if they were around Ichigo's level even with his mask released, then how high do you think their level is with their own mask released?
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depends i think arrancars like grimmjaw owns. But the vizards kinda look ugly except for Hiyori
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the Arrancar since it took all of the Vaizards to hold ichigo down but Grimmjow could of done that easily by him self
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sheighton wrote:

Umm, did any of you read the chapters 270 and 271 in the manga?!? Uliquiorra destroyed Ichigo's life and he is only the 4th Espada! Uliquiorra did not even have to draw his sword ---> Stops Ichigo's hollowized attack with only his hands! I really don't think that anything yet compares to the top four Espada. Sure, Ichigo could probably beat 5 and lower, but not the top four. That being said, I still think that Ichigo is the only one who will eventually be able to do it, and I doubt that any of the Vizards could even come close...


that's because he can only be in that mode for 10 seconds. btw he's pretty weal as a vizard. chapter 273 is out. i think vizard is stronger definately...
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