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Two Biggest Lies Told By Internet Fansb Groups: "This Is A Free Fansub, Please Support This Anime Once It Gets Licensed"
Posted 11/12/08 , edited 11/13/08
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Seeing as DomFortress is so adamant to continue this subject then I will allow this thread to stay open at my discretion. If any other mods disagree with my decision then please let me know.

A couple of things for other posters to take note of:
1. Stay on topic - Do not flame each other just because you disagree with Dom or anyone else's opinions. I am sick of having to delete your posts and contrary to popular belief I do not like having to warn people so don't make me do it. Having said this, if I see anyone flaming in this thread in the future, they will be issued a warning and/or banned by me.

2. If you don't like this topic then do not post in this thread. Posting stupid insulting coments just highlights your complete immaturity and lack of respect for other users and the topic starter.

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For you flamers, trolls, and internet bullies, a disclaimer from yours truly:


By disclaiming this message "This Is A Free Fansub, Please Support This Anime Once It Gets Licensed" every time on their illegitimate fansubs, the internet fansub groups lied to us every time about their illegitimate practice.

The fact is, their fansubs aren't free. They were stolen from the anime studios at the moment when the internet fansub groups downloaded illegal duplicated digital files(aka raw files) of licensed anime series, that are hosted on any Japanese P2P file sharing site. Such site as Tokyo Toshokan/東京 図書館, that's like your one-stop-shopping for same-time release raw files, with no advertising and paid strictly by donations(http://www.tokyotosho.com/index.php?cat=7_).

Another fact, their fansubs was already licensed to the corresponding medias and/or Japanese TV broadcasting stations before the illegal duplicated digital files(raw files) got hosted on any Japanese P2P file sharing site. Under the BERNE CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF LITERARY AND ARTISTIC WORKS (Paris Text 1971), the anime studios are the original creators of their works, the anime series, thereby they automatically gain the copyright for their works(http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/2.html). The anime studios can then license their works to the Japanese TV stations, to be broadcast only on Japanese TV networks. Or they can license their work to the Japanese publishers, to be distribute only on anime related medias. Both of these are the original sources of the illegal duplicated digital files, aka raw files.

Remember to state your claim with facts or sound reasoning, and respect others by responding to their claim likewise.

And now I open the topic for discussions.
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Posted 11/12/08
Question:

Are you regretting the time when you were a fansubber?

(I believe that the question is not an ad hominem since your answer may affect the argument)
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Posted 11/12/08 , edited 11/12/08
I don't think fansubbers are saying the anime is free as in it's publicly accessible. I'm pretty sure they just mean that they are not SELLING their fan subbed anime and warning people that if they are buying it, they are being scammed. And as for licensing, I believe that is English dub or sub licensing. The idea is that because we non-japanese speaking folk cannot understand anime and are forced to wait till it's released dubbed or miraculously english subbed, we are given the privilege to see it at the same time the Japanese people do at home on their TiVo =/. It's not a matter of the anime being licensed, it's a matter of it being accessible to us, English-speaking people.

Edit, ehem, back to the point, we aren't being lied to, we are just being comforted so we don't feel so bad about seeing it. If the message said "YOU ARE STEALING FROM JAPAN YOU *******" I'm sure a lot of people would be reluctant to watch anime.
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Posted 11/12/08
*sigh* again?
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Posted 11/12/08
Sorry Domfortress, flame threads are against the rules. Please refrain from making this type of thread.
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you need a life dude V_V

you've already proven your points and no one likes them -_- don't you get tired of being hated?

or do you enjoy yourself getting flamed on? or are you an extremely good troll?

-_- either way you really do fail
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wow lol nice data eu collected but...isn't this also a flame thread
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Posted 11/12/08 , edited 11/12/08
I don't think he's "flaming" subbers. I think he's trying to get other people's opinions on the statement to compare to his own. If this was a flaming thread he would simply call them liars. Here he states a reasonable argument and is asking for a second opinion. As for you Maou, you just came in to tell him no to write such threads, that sounds more like mild flaming to me orz.
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Posted 11/12/08

BloodySocks wrote:

I don't think he's "flaming" subbers. I think he's trying to get other people's opinions on the statement to compare to his own. If this was a flaming thread he would simply call them liars. Here he states a reasonable argument and is asking for a second opinion. As for you Maou, you just came in to tell him no to write such threads, that sounds more like mild flaming to me orz.


where you here 2 and 4 days ago? this is the 3rd thread he's made about "fansubbing"

-_- it is getting repetitive
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AnimeKami wrote:


BloodySocks wrote:

I don't think he's "flaming" subbers. I think he's trying to get other people's opinions on the statement to compare to his own. If this was a flaming thread he would simply call them liars. Here he states a reasonable argument and is asking for a second opinion. As for you Maou, you just came in to tell him no to write such threads, that sounds more like mild flaming to me orz.


where you here 2 and 4 days ago? this is the 3rd thread he's made about "fansubbing"

-_- it is getting repetitive


oo wow then that must be a retarded thread then ._.
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Could someone start a good debate already
Posted 11/12/08 , edited 11/12/08
Why isn't crunchyroll being sued, they're a big company commiting crime en masse by distributing pirated works according to your logic.

You know why ?
Licensing laws aren't that simple.

<3 the law.
The end.
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Posted 11/12/08 , edited 11/12/08

-I_r_Miru- wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


BloodySocks wrote:

I don't think he's "flaming" subbers. I think he's trying to get other people's opinions on the statement to compare to his own. If this was a flaming thread he would simply call them liars. Here he states a reasonable argument and is asking for a second opinion. As for you Maou, you just came in to tell him no to write such threads, that sounds more like mild flaming to me orz.


where you here 2 and 4 days ago? this is the 3rd thread he's made about "fansubbing"

-_- it is getting repetitive


oo wow then that must be a retarded thread then ._.


indeed much
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Posted 11/12/08

BloodySocks wrote:

I don't think he's "flaming" subbers. I think he's trying to get other people's opinions on the statement to compare to his own. If this was a flaming thread he would simply call them liars. Here he states a reasonable argument and is asking for a second opinion. As for you Maou, you just came in to tell him no to write such threads, that sounds more like mild flaming to me orz.


Take note that this is Dom's second thread that specifically attacked a certain person or a group of people, in this case Bryllenogotoku had been attacked indirectly. And yes, I'm doing a mild flaming because he's wrong to begin with.
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