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Two Biggest Lies Told By Internet Fansb Groups: "This Is A Free Fansub, Please Support This Anime Once It Gets Licensed"
Posted 11/13/08
why the hell are you even complain tsk tsk anti-anime person much... must of got kicked of the subbing team and now crying... ALL HAIL ANIME!!!
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well.. i don't really understand but... They are the Part of Anime "World Domination" Plan~
Posted 11/13/08

chronomasakari wrote:

You're preaching to the wrong choir. You're going to a website and community littered with people who watch and enjoy fansubs, telling them that they're all wrong. Some people may or may not agree with you but the ones that do won't care to vocally agree with you and the ones that don't will definitely voice their dissatisfaction. It's kinda like going to a Republican convention and saying you should give all parents the choice to have an abortion.

Anyway, this thread is asking to be flamed, but you people who are flaming him need not respond. If you don't agree post why you don't agree but leave remarks against each other's intelligence at the door. If you dislike the thread, flaming the thread only keeps it going longer.

Anyway if you payed attention the thread is slightly different than ones in the past, this one pertains to the legal aspect, one that I recall learning about in one of my criminal justice classes that I don't quite remember. it pertains to information gotten through illegitimate means. Basically like if you bought a stolen car or some such. This doesn't *quite* apply to fansubbing but it's the closest legal example I can think of. Because the method of uploading the raw onto the internet is illegal it is illegal for us to obtain it in any means shape or form.

However since the raw is uploaded from Japan there's a HUGE complication on what would otherwise be a simple matter, because we have to deal with intertwining copyright laws from both countries. Thus coming over to the US or outside Japan side, we're truly doing no wrong on our part, however I still feel the guilt when I watch liscensed anime (because I do and I won't lie about it)

There is however, one flaw in your initial statement Dom that I'd definitely disagree with.
"This is a free fansub" is a statement not pertaining to the legal aspects of what the fansubbers are doing, it mainly pertains to the people who bought the fansub from ebay, or at least that's my impression that I got from reading those similar messages and talking to the fansubbers I did know.

So I don't feel that statement should be used as an example to refute fansubbing in general.

In the end it's a poison we all take, and it's not the only one. How many of us don't download mp3's over the internet, or have played a rom, or downloaded winzip's crack instead of paying for it? I'll bet dollars over donuts any day that 99 out of 100 of the people on cruncy roll didn't pay for winzip.


If I was just another selfish individual with an unappreciated attitude towards illegitimate fansubs, then of course I could pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes. But that's not how I value my passion for anime subculture as a self-proclaimed otaku. What I value the most in just about anything regarding anime subculture, is the meaning for my avatar, "effort and guts". Not instant self-gratification gain from fansub abuse.

Let's consider if the statement that fansubs were free is true, from both the legal and economical standpoint, then the internet fansub groups should have got their source materials straight from the original source creators at free-of-charge. Meaning that the anime studios should have licensed their copyright anime series to the internet fansub groups at a cost of zero. However, such legal business transaction between the anime studios and the internet fansub groups never took place, proven by the evidences I've stated in my first post. And now the internet fansub groups don't what others to steal and profit from their illegitimate fansubs, by making two big lies as disclaimers. That's the reality of fansub abuse.
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Posted 11/13/08
So this guy hasn't give up yet? *Sigh*
Posted 11/13/08 , edited 11/13/08

Maou068 wrote:

You are missing my point, the one who produces those DVD box sets are the american anime industries who's responsible for licensing, dubbing and editing for local and global distribution. The Japanese anime industries suffer minimum losses because subs are meaningless to them since they understand their own language. Furthermore, every self respecting companies understand the value of reduction of "cost of sales" meaning reducing the overhead cost while maximizing gross profit, this is what GoPlayGo meant when he stated "reduced cost=greater profit". Since you know about business management, then you should know something about this concept right?

Rean14 once stated that "If anime industry is really down, it should have slowed down. Is it immune to the law of Supply and Demand?". Her statement is true to the case of our discussion and if it is indeed false then why is it that they keep producing high quality anime in large scale if they know they might gain more losses than profit? Remember, that my statement is the summation of many people who tried to give their opinion to you in which you tried to dodged it.

Since you did do your homework about fasubbers then you should already know that fansubs are the one of the keystones of the anime industries. This is the reason the why the anime industries are trying to cooperate with the fansub groups in recent trends rather than exterminate them out of existance.

Lastly, this is more of a personal request than part of our discussion. Please, give this topic a rest, you've done so much damage in just the shortest amount of time.


Until you help yourself to understand how licensing is the only way for the anime studios to get paid, by allowing them to collect royalty from legitimate anime related media sales, nothing I said will matter to you one bit.

http://wiki.crunchyroll.com/Licensing

Also, try help yourself to understand why I keep referring original adaptation anime series as cheap animated advertisements, then you'll see the real profit gain of advertising.

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Posted 11/13/08
even though I dont understand a thing of wat u wrote(since I didnt even read it) I am against u for the blah blah blah
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Posted 11/13/08
When Fan subs say "This Is a Free Fan Sub " They mean they will sub animes for free and never Sell them , don't you notice that when the opening song of every subbed episode finishes somewhere in there its written the sentence "This is a free fan sub not for rent or ebay " and also sometimes "If you payed for this you got ripped" .In this case the word FREE means that they won't ask for money and will let you download the subbed episodes without paying they never said it was legal and i don't think anyone cares if it is or not because all they want is to enjoy the anime also they ask for donations it is just if you want , you just sound like someone that is mad and have something against anime or fan subbers . Have a nice day sir ^_^.
Posted 11/13/08

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When Fan subs say "This Is a Free Fan Sub " They mean they will sub animes for free and never Sell them , don't you notice that when the opening song of every subbed episode finishes somewhere in there its written the sentence "This is a free fan sub not for rent or ebay " and also sometimes "If you payed for this you got ripped" .In this case the word FREE means that they won't ask for money and will let you download the subbed episodes without paying they never said it was legal and i don't think anyone cares if it is or not because all they want is to enjoy the anime also they ask for donations it is just if you want , you just sound like someone that is mad and have something against anime or fan subbers . Have a nice day sir ^_^.


I believe the correct phrase is "overindulge themselves with instant self-gratifications, by watching illegitimate fansubbed, cheap animated advertisements, that were stolen from the anime studios by the internet fansub groups, while not contribute back to the anime studios because they don't care a damn thing about legal licensing, and therefore anime studios can go to hell for anime fans' selfish instant self-gratifications gain from abusing fansubs." You may correct me if I'm wrong with facts or with your own reasoning based on copyright and legal licensing. And you're welcome.
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Posted 11/13/08

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jmolina92 wrote:

When Fan subs say "This Is a Free Fan Sub " They mean they will sub animes for free and never Sell them , don't you notice that when the opening song of every subbed episode finishes somewhere in there its written the sentence "This is a free fan sub not for rent or ebay " and also sometimes "If you payed for this you got ripped" .In this case the word FREE means that they won't ask for money and will let you download the subbed episodes without paying they never said it was legal and i don't think anyone cares if it is or not because all they want is to enjoy the anime also they ask for donations it is just if you want , you just sound like someone that is mad and have something against anime or fan subbers . Have a nice day sir ^_^.


I believe the correct phrase is "overindulge themselves with instant self-gratifications, by watching illegitimate fansubbed, cheap animated advertisements, that were stolen from the anime studios by the internet fansub groups, while not contribute back to the anime studios because they don't care a damn thing about legal licensing, and therefore anime studios can go to hell for anime fans' selfish instant self-gratifications gain from abusing fansubs." You may correct me if I'm wrong with facts or with your own reasoning based on copyright and legal licensing. And you're welcome.


You are right , that's what you wanted to hear there you have it you are right but if you realized that of fansubs these days i will have to tell you something Welcome To Real Life my friend , even in good actions there is evil in every evil thing there is good things and people ignoring copyrights will never stop not matter what you do of any of those studios that make anime , that's the same with music it is downloaded everyday to numbers that you don't even know how to count to and that's violation of copyrights but that's how it is and if you can't learn how to live with it just quit life lol , anime fans that can't live if japan or go there to watch anime just take advantage of this , it is not right to violate the copyrights but do you think it's right that they can't watch anime even if they wanted to ? , i know it doesn't matter if they wanted to because those studios do what they want with their series and own them and their rights shouldn't be violated but learn this as long as there is need there will be creation , Fansubs where born from the need of people to watch anime and you can't stop those copyright ripping creations because you can't stop humanity's necessity.
Posted 11/13/08

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DomFortress wrote:


jmolina92 wrote:

When Fan subs say "This Is a Free Fan Sub " They mean they will sub animes for free and never Sell them , don't you notice that when the opening song of every subbed episode finishes somewhere in there its written the sentence "This is a free fan sub not for rent or ebay " and also sometimes "If you payed for this you got ripped" .In this case the word FREE means that they won't ask for money and will let you download the subbed episodes without paying they never said it was legal and i don't think anyone cares if it is or not because all they want is to enjoy the anime also they ask for donations it is just if you want , you just sound like someone that is mad and have something against anime or fan subbers . Have a nice day sir ^_^.


I believe the correct phrase is "overindulge themselves with instant self-gratifications, by watching illegitimate fansubbed, cheap animated advertisements, that were stolen from the anime studios by the internet fansub groups, while not contribute back to the anime studios because they don't care a damn thing about legal licensing, and therefore anime studios can go to hell for anime fans' selfish instant self-gratifications gain from abusing fansubs." You may correct me if I'm wrong with facts or with your own reasoning based on copyright and legal licensing. And you're welcome.


You are right , that's what you wanted to hear there you have it you are right but if you realized that of fansubs these days i will have to tell you something Welcome To Real Life my friend , even in good actions there is evil in every evil thing there is good things and people ignoring copyrights will never stop not matter what you do of any of those studios that make anime , that's the same with music it is downloaded everyday to numbers that you don't even know how to count to and that's violation of copyrights but that's how it is and if you can't learn how to live with it just quit life lol , anime fans that can't live if japan or go there to watch anime just take advantage of this , it is not right to violate the copyrights but do you think it's right that they can't watch anime even if they wanted to ? , i know it doesn't matter if they wanted to because those studios do what they want with their series and own them and their rights shouldn't be violated but learn this as long as there is need there will be creation , Fansubs where born from the need of people to watch anime and you can't stop those copyright ripping creations because you can't stop humanity's necessity.


Then as my final rebuttal; those who can't change for themselves, have no right to stop others that want change. So you can just watch me from the sideline, since you forfeit yourself by simply accepting the status quote.

No guts, no glory.
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Then as my final rebuttal; those who can't change for themselves, have no right to stop others that want change. So you can just watch me from the sideline, since you forfeit yourself by simply accepting the status quote.

No guts, no glory.

I never said i couldn't change sir i just said that if it is there i will just take it , if they give you a 1000 dolars you won't take it ? , m not the one subbing anime after all don't treat me like m the one also even withall the guts and shit you could have you can't change that , humans are curious and when someone is curious there is a need to learn or discover as long as there is need there will be creation to feed humans ambition you can't stop that cycle and if you want to try good luck sir.
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Posted 11/13/08
They may be taking from the original makers but they are not selling it, that is what they mean. Its not like people in the rest of the world are going to be able to enjoy the cartoons if they can not speak the language. All the translators are doing is helping by allowing a larger spread of that artists work. They are asking people not to sale their subs for money by that comment, that is all
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Posted 11/13/08
a simple answer to your questions

if theres a force,then theres an opposing force

Light><Darkness
Police><Crimes
Domfortress><The whole Cr community
licensing an anime ><a SMUGGLING anime video will always be created somewhere private

why are you creating this thread anyways? be thankfull for animes and dont complain
if your favorite anime is being licensed then look for them
at the most Realiable Search

''GOOGLE''

BE THANKFULL I TOLD YOU DONT COMPLAIN~
Posted 11/13/08



jmolina92 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

Then as my final rebuttal; those who can't change for themselves, have no right to stop others that want change. So you can just watch me from the sideline, since you forfeit yourself by simply accepting the status quote.

No guts, no glory.


I never said i couldn't change sir i just said that if it is there i will just take it , if they give you a 1000 dolars you won't take it ? , m not the one subbing anime after all don't treat me like m the one also even withall the guts and shit you could have you can't change that , humans are curious and when someone is curious there is a need to learn or discover as long as there is need there will be creation to feed humans ambition you can't stop that cycle and if you want to try good luck sir.


Isn't internet fansub groups making fansubs by fans like them for fans like you? And since all you can care about is the instant self-gratification you can get from abusing fansubs, you couldn't care less about anything else. And since when did substance abuse became a simple matter of curiosity? Do you think those drug abusers were just curious about what would happened if they just keep injecting drugs without end?
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Posted 11/13/08

DomFortress wrote:




jmolina92 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

Then as my final rebuttal; those who can't change for themselves, have no right to stop others that want change. So you can just watch me from the sideline, since you forfeit yourself by simply accepting the status quote.

No guts, no glory.


I never said i couldn't change sir i just said that if it is there i will just take it , if they give you a 1000 dolars you won't take it ? , m not the one subbing anime after all don't treat me like m the one also even withall the guts and shit you could have you can't change that , humans are curious and when someone is curious there is a need to learn or discover as long as there is need there will be creation to feed humans ambition you can't stop that cycle and if you want to try good luck sir.


Isn't internet fansub groups making fansubs by fans like them for fans like you? And since all you can care about is the instant self-gratification you can get from abusing fansubs, you couldn't care less about anything else. And since when did substance abuse became a simple matter of curiosity? Do you think those drug abusers were just curious about what would happened if they just keep injecting drugs without end?


they were curious and acted based on emotions and when you do something bad you get something bad in return and there you got them that's what happens to people that step into forbidden grounds also don't go off the point and it is that you can't stop fansubs and if you want to try don try to do it in a community that loves animes that's like telling a drug addict to stop using them , i was trying to tell you that what you are doing is pointless but if you wanna keep up go ahead , i think we don't have anything more to talk about this ends here sir good luck again ^_^ .

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Posted 11/13/08
Why are you making a thread about this again when you know that you're going to get flamed and when you know that no one really agrees with you?
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Posted 11/13/08
free fansub means that that relatively doing the SUBBING for free. what your talking about is free anime which you do have a point. Though i don't know why you keep bringing up threads. As before i said in the previous thread. everybody steals from one another. Get over it.
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