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This sounds like flame-war material...
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ancestralbattlebrother3 wrote:


cloudji wrote:

Here the thing a Male character can do terrible things and be a total jerk
but every one says that okay he a good person are something like that.
However a female character can have the smallest flaw are something which have to be change a bit for it to become a flaw and every one says she evil and they dislike her.

I see this in real life as well all the time.

It like male are expected to be jerks and you just got to live with it and be understanding.
While females are expected to be perfect angels which if they have even the smallest flaw then you most right away their evil.

this just gets on my nerves.
what do you all think.

Of course i already know most of you does this even if you don't really realize it.


i think it's the other way around actually


sorry no it not.
i give some real life example
female have sex with more then one guy she a slut a guy does it he awesome.
female have kids and end up alone having to raise them they turn out bad she most have done something terrible to them.
male same thing uh he tried his best.

that only 2 of many way people act toward them.

now in anime.

Makoto he use 2 girl ended up making both insane. but every one made a girl in their minde at fault made it where she the evil one. Sekai. this anime is school days.

then vk zero is a fucking moron who yes had a terrible thing happened as a kid but get the fuck over it all ready. i mean how he treats vampires is like saying all of Russia is evil because some one from it killed my parents. plus he always wanting to die i mean shut the fuck up move on now he trying to kill yuuki. i see people always saying how great zero is. uh and he done a lot of other cruel things.
while i hear people say how evil yuuki is when how can you get nicer then her. I mean when she fig out zero was a vampire after being bitten by him most people be scared half to death run away instead she went to him and felt bad about how she said lvl E was scary before hand. Plus people say she annoying because she have not choosing when she have. it was always kaname she said over and over that she loves kaname zero a very good friend to her that's all.

this is just some very few examples of course some times a male character is treated bad for no reason but thats rear usually they treated good even if they idiot and very cruel.


I can see where this might happen in anime and I know it happens in real life, but I have to disagree with the School Days example. I've seen way more Makoto-bashing than any of the girls on that show. And also keep in mind that Japan is still developing in the area of human rights, especially womens' rights, so women aren't always portrayed as equel to men in anime. Look at all of the harem and ecchi on the market, and even hentai. But I also think that there are a lot of strong, independant, and occaisionally just flat mean anime girls who are much loved in the anime crowd.

Examples:
~Ai from Princess Ai
~Tazusa from Ginban Kaliedoscope
~Hasruhi Suzumiya from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuustu
~Ayano from Kaze no Stigma
~Taiga from Toradora!
~Louise from Zero no Tsukaima (though she DOES get annoying....)
~Ito from W-Juliet
~Etc.
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lkmjr wrote:


cloudji wrote:


ancestralbattlebrother3 wrote:


cloudji wrote:

Here the thing a Male character can do terrible things and be a total jerk
but every one says that okay he a good person are something like that.
However a female character can have the smallest flaw are something which have to be change a bit for it to become a flaw and every one says she evil and they dislike her.

I see this in real life as well all the time.

It like male are expected to be jerks and you just got to live with it and be understanding.
While females are expected to be perfect angels which if they have even the smallest flaw then you most right away their evil.

this just gets on my nerves.
what do you all think.

Of course i already know most of you does this even if you don't really realize it.


i think it's the other way around actually


sorry no it not.
i give some real life example
female have sex with more then one guy she a slut a guy does it he awesome.
female have kids and end up alone having to raise them they turn out bad she most have done something terrible to them.
male same thing uh he tried his best.

that only 2 of many way people act toward them.

now in anime.

Makoto he use 2 girl ended up making both insane. but every one made a girl in their minde at fault made it where she the evil one. Sekai. this anime is school days.

then vk zero is a fucking moron who yes had a terrible thing happened as a kid but get the fuck over it all ready. i mean how he treats vampires is like saying all of Russia is evil because some one from it killed my parents. plus he always wanting to die i mean shut the fuck up move on now he trying to kill yuuki. i see people always saying how great zero is. uh and he done a lot of other cruel things.
while i hear people say how evil yuuki is when how can you get nicer then her. I mean when she fig out zero was a vampire after being bitten by him most people be scared half to death run away instead she went to him and felt bad about how she said lvl E was scary before hand. Plus people say she annoying because she have not choosing when she have. it was always kaname she said over and over that she loves kaname zero a very good friend to her that's all.

this is just some very few examples of course some times a male character is treated bad for no reason but thats rear usually they treated good even if they idiot and very cruel.


I can see where this might happen in anime and I know it happens in real life, but I have to disagree with the School Days example. I've seen way more Makoto-bashing than any of the girls on that show. And also keep in mind that Japan is still developing in the area of human rights, especially womens' rights, so women aren't always portrayed as equel to men in anime. Look at all of the harem and ecchi on the market, and even hentai. But I also think that there are a lot of strong, independant, and occaisionally just flat mean anime girls who are much loved in the anime crowd.

Examples:
~Ai from Princess Ai
~Tazusa from Ginban Kaliedoscope
~Hasruhi Suzumiya from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuustu
~Ayano from Kaze no Stigma
~Taiga from Toradora!
~Louise from Zero no Tsukaima (though she DOES get annoying....)
~Ito from W-Juliet
~Etc.


2 things i seen way more Sekai haters then makoto.
second thing all those characters are tsunderer characters
they only hurt other when get embarrass.
they always trying to help but very clumsy.
tsunderer are the only type i seen of girl which are like.
if they are not completely perfect that is
but it seem the really kinds girl and nice ones are the ones who get bash all the time.
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JD865 wrote:

This sounds like flame-war material...


only to ignorant people who do not understand how things work can they flame this.
Any one with a tiny bit of exp of how this world work could easily come on here and talk about it.
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Ppl r still growing to understand that boundaries between gender roles are thining but it takes time for ppl to except girls and guys as equals. Wait until there is a women president then the tides have change....Quote im a guy but i understand ur question at hand.
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you should see toradora
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cloudji wrote:


lkmjr wrote:


cloudji wrote:


ancestralbattlebrother3 wrote:


cloudji wrote:

Here the thing a Male character can do terrible things and be a total jerk
but every one says that okay he a good person are something like that.
However a female character can have the smallest flaw are something which have to be change a bit for it to become a flaw and every one says she evil and they dislike her.

I see this in real life as well all the time.

It like male are expected to be jerks and you just got to live with it and be understanding.
While females are expected to be perfect angels which if they have even the smallest flaw then you most right away their evil.

this just gets on my nerves.
what do you all think.

Of course i already know most of you does this even if you don't really realize it.


i think it's the other way around actually


sorry no it not.
i give some real life example
female have sex with more then one guy she a slut a guy does it he awesome.
female have kids and end up alone having to raise them they turn out bad she most have done something terrible to them.
male same thing uh he tried his best.

that only 2 of many way people act toward them.

now in anime.

Makoto he use 2 girl ended up making both insane. but every one made a girl in their minde at fault made it where she the evil one. Sekai. this anime is school days.

then vk zero is a fucking moron who yes had a terrible thing happened as a kid but get the fuck over it all ready. i mean how he treats vampires is like saying all of Russia is evil because some one from it killed my parents. plus he always wanting to die i mean shut the fuck up move on now he trying to kill yuuki. i see people always saying how great zero is. uh and he done a lot of other cruel things.
while i hear people say how evil yuuki is when how can you get nicer then her. I mean when she fig out zero was a vampire after being bitten by him most people be scared half to death run away instead she went to him and felt bad about how she said lvl E was scary before hand. Plus people say she annoying because she have not choosing when she have. it was always kaname she said over and over that she loves kaname zero a very good friend to her that's all.

this is just some very few examples of course some times a male character is treated bad for no reason but thats rear usually they treated good even if they idiot and very cruel.


I can see where this might happen in anime and I know it happens in real life, but I have to disagree with the School Days example. I've seen way more Makoto-bashing than any of the girls on that show. And also keep in mind that Japan is still developing in the area of human rights, especially womens' rights, so women aren't always portrayed as equel to men in anime. Look at all of the harem and ecchi on the market, and even hentai. But I also think that there are a lot of strong, independant, and occaisionally just flat mean anime girls who are much loved in the anime crowd.

Examples:
~Ai from Princess Ai
~Tazusa from Ginban Kaliedoscope
~Hasruhi Suzumiya from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuustu
~Ayano from Kaze no Stigma
~Taiga from Toradora!
~Louise from Zero no Tsukaima (though she DOES get annoying....)
~Ito from W-Juliet
~Etc.


2 things i seen way more Sekai haters then makoto.
second thing all those characters are tsunderer characters
they only hurt other when get embarrass.
they always trying to help but very clumsy.
tsunderer are the only type i seen of girl which are like.
if they are not completely perfect that is
but it seem the really kinds girl and nice ones are the ones who get bash all the time.


I see way more Makoto haters, and I haven't even watched the show.
I know where your coming from, since the Asians don't really have respect for women. I know, because at my moms work there are a lot of them who will file complaints if a women doesn't do what he tells her to do. They look down upon us. I'm not really sure why this happens in real life, I don't see it in anime all that much though.
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you should see toradora :D


That show's awesome ^_^

The topic is very serious and is very... deep. It brings out all my instincts that go 'where!?' so I could go... well, limbs would fly.
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I have to agree with you there.... =.=
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JD865 wrote:


idleimp wrote:

you should see toradora :D


That show's awesome ^_^

The topic is very serious and is very... deep. It brings out all my instincts that go 'where!?' so I could go... well, limbs would fly.


i know and there are no prejudices in the anime like women should be docile and men violent
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To sum it up, you think that Anime Guys are all jerk, even though without realizing that they are.
While that Zero guy from VK is also a Jerk, but isn't really hated due to the Fangirls.
and if I were to give an counter example, I'll say Makoto from School Days.

Both are jerks but the other way around.

... and you're complaining about those things, mainly because you experienced it in real life.... ?
Okay. Sounds fair.
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idleimp wrote:


JD865 wrote:


idleimp wrote:

you should see toradora :D


That show's awesome ^_^

The topic is very serious and is very... deep. It brings out all my instincts that go 'where!?' so I could go... well, limbs would fly.


i know and there are no prejudices in the anime like women should be docile and men violent


Well, at least the anime's perfect ^_^

Hmm.. Ryuuji the household perfectionist, and Taiga the antagonistic... Well, no words can describe her awesomeness ^_^
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wierd thread...

but anyway i like girls to be a bit evil
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cloudji wrote:


lkmjr wrote:


cloudji wrote:


ancestralbattlebrother3 wrote:


cloudji wrote:

Here the thing a Male character can do terrible things and be a total jerk
but every one says that okay he a good person are something like that.
However a female character can have the smallest flaw are something which have to be change a bit for it to become a flaw and every one says she evil and they dislike her.

I see this in real life as well all the time.

It like male are expected to be jerks and you just got to live with it and be understanding.
While females are expected to be perfect angels which if they have even the smallest flaw then you most right away their evil.

this just gets on my nerves.
what do you all think.

Of course i already know most of you does this even if you don't really realize it.


i think it's the other way around actually


sorry no it not.
i give some real life example
female have sex with more then one guy she a slut a guy does it he awesome.
female have kids and end up alone having to raise them they turn out bad she most have done something terrible to them.
male same thing uh he tried his best.

that only 2 of many way people act toward them.

now in anime.

Makoto he use 2 girl ended up making both insane. but every one made a girl in their minde at fault made it where she the evil one. Sekai. this anime is school days.

then vk zero is a fucking moron who yes had a terrible thing happened as a kid but get the fuck over it all ready. i mean how he treats vampires is like saying all of Russia is evil because some one from it killed my parents. plus he always wanting to die i mean shut the fuck up move on now he trying to kill yuuki. i see people always saying how great zero is. uh and he done a lot of other cruel things.
while i hear people say how evil yuuki is when how can you get nicer then her. I mean when she fig out zero was a vampire after being bitten by him most people be scared half to death run away instead she went to him and felt bad about how she said lvl E was scary before hand. Plus people say she annoying because she have not choosing when she have. it was always kaname she said over and over that she loves kaname zero a very good friend to her that's all.

this is just some very few examples of course some times a male character is treated bad for no reason but thats rear usually they treated good even if they idiot and very cruel.


I can see where this might happen in anime and I know it happens in real life, but I have to disagree with the School Days example. I've seen way more Makoto-bashing than any of the girls on that show. And also keep in mind that Japan is still developing in the area of human rights, especially womens' rights, so women aren't always portrayed as equel to men in anime. Look at all of the harem and ecchi on the market, and even hentai. But I also think that there are a lot of strong, independant, and occaisionally just flat mean anime girls who are much loved in the anime crowd.

Examples:
~Ai from Princess Ai
~Tazusa from Ginban Kaliedoscope
~Hasruhi Suzumiya from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuustu
~Ayano from Kaze no Stigma
~Taiga from Toradora!
~Louise from Zero no Tsukaima (though she DOES get annoying....)
~Ito from W-Juliet
~Etc.


2 things i seen way more Sekai haters then makoto.
second thing all those characters are tsunderer characters
they only hurt other when get embarrass.
they always trying to help but very clumsy.
tsunderer are the only type i seen of girl which are like.
if they are not completely perfect that is
but it seem the really kinds girl and nice ones are the ones who get bash all the time.


So, what you're saying is a girl has to be either tsundere or perfect in order to be liked?? Again, I feel I must disagree. It's true that tsundere characters show up more often than non-tsunderes with the same mean personality, and that the non-tsunderes are usually really, really irritating and therefore not well-liked, but if the main character was a girl who was a total asshole would you really be able to say "Wow, I like her"?? And it's sort of the same way for boys. I personally absolutely hate the off standish, cold guys you often find in shoujo anime (such as Zero from Vampire Knight or Trukimori Len from La Corda d'Oro), and while many girls may claim to adore them I've met a ton who hate the fact that they can't give way a little. I'm absolutley positive that the fans of that sort of guy also can't stand it.

And also, think about the genre some, too. In shoujo, the main character is usually a girl, and being the main character she must appeal to the fans and have either a really normal, ditzy-airhead-supre kind, or very, very unique (and often tsundere or toboyish). In shounen, there are occaisionally girls as the main character, but more often than not it's a guy. Shounen is usually more focused on action, so having a wimp as the main character isn't going to work. And if you'll notice, guys in shoujo are more often sweet and kind than cruel.

And also, neither Ai nor Ito is tsundere. Ito hides none of her personality (hell, up until Makoto showed up she might aswell have been a guy) and Ai is.... Ai.
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it's just the cultural attitudes of people that frame this sort of belief that wild girls are bad and the opposite for guys. most of our parents are probably all from the era where boys have much more freedom than girls to do whatever which affects the way they brought us up. Therefore when we see wild girls we think it's out of the norm and shake our heads at it. Plus the media also affects the way we think. Because most girls are filled with romantic films where there's soulmates etc, if someone comes to break a healthy relationship by using nasty schemes then we would naturally hate that person (hence the antifans of that school days chick). I must admit that I'm sort of affected by this. When I see a girl caked with makeup and wearing skimpy clothes on a friday night in the city, all I can think of is tramp but when I see a guy with his hair gelled up and wearing pants riding low, I can't help but think . I guess it also depends on gender as well

btw, how on earth is zero a jerk???

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