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I've had many conversations with anime fans who feel that Disney movies are just meant for children, lack good storylines and have animation no where as good as anime would. This isn't just the case for Disney but American animation and general. As Disney fans, how do you feel about this? Do you think Japanese create better films and television shows? Why or why not?

I am a huge fan of animation in general, and I truly find that both animations end up with hit or misses. I don't find that Japanese animation is no where near superior because there are tons of shows that are terrible or great. It's the same with Disney or American animation. But people do continue to think it's strictly for children because Americans are dumb. I think people are close-minded about it and are really missing out on different kind of animation that isn't Japanese. American animation tends to be more satirical or are parodies but still do have many that are episodic but serious. Although, a good Japanese/American animated film is the Last Unicorn. Interesting to see what they can create together.
I feel Disney has produced a lot of great stuff with beautiful animation and great storylines. I actually look forward to upcoming Disney movies a lot more than any other Japanese animation. I'd just like to give my opinion and see others give theirs without being told to die in a shithole or some sort of insult. =)

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I feel that when people insult the American animation they are just being close minded, stubborn, and ignorant. I do not know why a lot of animations are automatically associated with kids. Disney animated movies are beautiful, the animation and especially the stories. Now, the comparison of Japanese and American animations. Japanese animations are not better overall then American, a lot of animations from Japan focus more on having a serious plot. A lot of American ones are meant to be funny. But, Disney's films are, in my opinion, pure genius and art. They have beautiful stories to them, and wonderful, fantastical worlds and people and objects. But, saying that, there are a lot of animations from Japan with stories just as beautiful and genius. So, I am trying to say that, it is foolish to clarify animations from Japan as better because both may have different styles of telling a story, but both do it very well. This also goes for movies and TV shows. I too look forward VERY much to the newest Disney movies.
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Ok, now this is a topic where i think i can both insult myself and show my true colors a little.

Prepare it my be long!

I love animation, cartoons, drawn-experiences....whatever you call them, if it's a show that's made with pencil and ink, i'm in. For the better part of my life i have always loved cartoons, if i could explain why, i would give a reason, but i can't give a better answer than "I just do". My parents teased me a little when i was 19 and still watching cartoons, but luckily my parents are awesome and actually understood that not all cartoons are "kiddy", my Dad still loves the old Looney Toon Cartoons and some of those are defiantly not for kids.

But as understanding as they are they still showed some concern when i turned 23 and i was still watching cartoons. My friend bought me tickets to see the anime Metropolis for my birthday and my parents (mostly my dad) asked "What is it? You're getting kind of grown Joliame (not my real name) please explain why you still like this stuff when you can be considered an adult?"

I gave my Dad my DVD's of both Metropolis and Akira, told him If you are really interested in my answer, then watch these. As it turned out he loved Metropolis, he thought Akira was a little too confusing and bloody. Needless to say, even if he thinks cartoons are for kids he knew what i was watching wasn't intended for them. I think it eased his mind a little to know that i wasn't a total nerd.

But I am a nerd, a proud nerd and I might be the "old man of crunchyroll" but i don't care. it's something i enjoy. Not just for the "adult theme's" but for the stories. If i boil it all down to what i enjoy most, it has to be the story and the non-conventional ways the story is told. Disney will always hold a dear place in my heart when it comes to animation and it's stories, even though they borrowed a lot of stories from books of old, but they managed to take already famous characters and somehow transform them into their own separate persona. Take Robin Hood for example, a story as old as England, but if you ask any kid about Robin Hood and he/she will think of Disney's anamorphic fox version of Robin Hood.

But Disney has let me down in it's latest attempts for story when they started to release straight to DVD sequels. For me Disney won me over when Pixar started to enter the animation race. I loved Monsters Inc. because of the concept that all monsters have portals that lead to kids' closets. I didn't so much enjoy Cars all that much, i thought it was cute, but the story was pretty standard. Ratatouille I absolutely loved, the way Remi and the human communicated without talking was brilliant. And don't even get me started on my love for Wall-e.

As for anime, the same set of standards i hold for animation still apply. Some exceptions are allowed. Take Lucky Star for example, it really doesn't have a story. But the dialogue is consist and funny. My friend Josh (not an anime fan) coined Lucky Star as "Seinfeld for teenage girls" and i have to say he's right.

But do i consider Disney is geared for kids? Yes, i do. But that doesn't mean they can't be enjoyed by "big kids" such as myself. Pixar understand that kids do want to see their films and they also understand that they should make sure that parents can enjoy them too. I mean if kids are doing to drag their parents into watching something the smart move to make would be to make sure that the parents actually want to watch it.

As for American animation, i think about 80% of it can be considered "for kids". But i think Cartoon Network's Adult Swim cuts a clear line between "kids" and 18 to 34 yrs of age, but it still only makes up for 20% of all american animation.

I feel that anime is cut down the middle between the to age groups. It doesn't mean it's better, just that when it comes to "american teens" who wish to watch more adult theme cartoons they are pretty much limited when it comes to american animation. While anime has an almost unlimited selection of "edge-y" cartoons. So it basically comes down to age.

As for me, i think I've already established that if the story is solid and its entertaining i don't care which country it comes from. I do secretly hope that one day I'll eventually "grow up" and lose interest in animation but right now they seem to be the only films that can muster up a good story.

If i had my choice of having to watch Transporter 3 or (enter anime or disney movie title here) then I think I'm going to go with the animated one.
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Joliame wrote:

I love animation, cartoons, drawn-experiences....whatever you call them, if it's a show that's made with pencil and ink, i'm in. For the better part of my life i have always loved cartoons, if i could explain why, i would give a reason, but i can't give a better answer than "I just do". My parents teased me a little when i was 19 and still watching cartoons, but luckily my parents are awesome and actually understood that not all cartoons are "kiddy", my Dad still loves the old Looney Toon Cartoons and some of those are defiantly not for kids.


Lucky, I wish my parents were as understanding as yours. My dad judges me harshly on it.
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Joliame wrote:

I love animation, cartoons, drawn-experiences....whatever you call them, if it's a show that's made with pencil and ink, i'm in. For the better part of my life i have always loved cartoons, if i could explain why, i would give a reason, but i can't give a better answer than "I just do". My parents teased me a little when i was 19 and still watching cartoons, but luckily my parents are awesome and actually understood that not all cartoons are "kiddy", my Dad still loves the old Looney Toon Cartoons and some of those are defiantly not for kids.


Lucky, I wish my parents were as understanding as yours. My dad judges me harshly on it.


But you're sixteen, that's an appropriate age to watch animation. In fact for anime that's the perfect age, if you ask me. But i guess not all parents are easy to communicate with.
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Joliame wrote:


wolflee wrote:


Joliame wrote:

I love animation, cartoons, drawn-experiences....whatever you call them, if it's a show that's made with pencil and ink, i'm in. For the better part of my life i have always loved cartoons, if i could explain why, i would give a reason, but i can't give a better answer than "I just do". My parents teased me a little when i was 19 and still watching cartoons, but luckily my parents are awesome and actually understood that not all cartoons are "kiddy", my Dad still loves the old Looney Toon Cartoons and some of those are defiantly not for kids.


Lucky, I wish my parents were as understanding as yours. My dad judges me harshly on it.


But you're sixteen, that's an appropriate age to watch animation. In fact for anime that's the perfect age, if you ask me. But i guess not all parents are easy to communicate with.


They do not take it seriously. It is just kiddy cartoons for them.
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They do not take it seriously. It is just kiddy cartoons for them.


I can't believe I'm actually going to quote my dad, but he told me this once: "If you enjoy it, then what does it matter? Even if i think it's kinda childish, as long as your entertained and not running around smoking pot, it really doesn't matter what i think or say."

But this quote is probably my favorite my dad has ever said, "Fuck'em! Who cares what anybody thinks? If they don't sign your checks or take care of you when you're sick, their opinion doesn't or shouldn't matter to you."
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I'm 18 and sometimes I tend to feel too old to watch animation because at my age group it's still not that acceptable to watch animation as a hobby. But my father still loves the classics and will go out to rent animated movies for the family to watch. I remember when he wanted to rent Spirited Away and I was like, "Ew, no, looks dumb." and my whole family ended up loving it.
I have that secret hope as you, but at the same time I spend most of my money towards collecting anime dvds and animation is what I've enjoyed since I was about four years old. I always go in between hoping that I do lose interest and keeping it for the rest of my life. But I can completely see myself still enjoying it more after seeing a couple (they're about 35-40 year old) who runs an anime club and have a huge collection where their walls are just completely covered.

As for American cartoons being more directed to children. It's true and at the same time not. In the 90's there are tons of cartoons that have subtle jokes that only adults or teenagers would really understand. I went back to watch a lot of them and I thought about how I completely wouldn't have understood the joke at all when I was younger. Some of these shows even contain sexual innuendo (ie. Rocko's Modern Life with homosexual jokes, and the episode with "choking the chicken") which made me think that these shows aren't as childish as we like to think they really are.
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Joliame wrote:


wolflee wrote:


They do not take it seriously. It is just kiddy cartoons for them.


I can't believe I'm actually going to quote my dad, but he told me this once: "If you enjoy it, then what does it matter? Even if i think it's kinda childish, as long as your entertained and not running around smoking pot, it really doesn't matter what i think or say."

But this quote is probably my favorite my dad has ever said, "Fuck'em! Who cares what anybody thinks? If they don't sign your checks or take care of you when you're sick, their opinion doesn't or shouldn't matter to you."


Haha, got to say I love those quotes. In fact my favorite quote is from Little Miss Sunshine from that kid who did not want to talk. But I loved what he said about doing what you want to do and f*** the rest.
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Haha, got to say I love those quotes. In fact my favorite quote is from Little Miss Sunshine from that kid who did not want to talk. But I loved what he said about doing what you want to do and f*** the rest.

hehehe..that is funny...
I am put in the semi-pro japanese anime cartoonist because of what I do as a hobby and sometimes I get paid for some arts I draw and submit to be my japanese editor in japan, I felt I was betraying western culture...people kept telling me why I was only drawing manga...I don't only draw manga..I also draw all kind of stuff but the point is you like what you like and that's that...be who you are because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind..that's what think!..hehehe...and as the quote you gave wolfee...yeah f** the rest! lol
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I'm 18 and sometimes I tend to feel too old to watch animation because at my age group it's still not that acceptable to watch animation as a hobby. But my father still loves the classics and will go out to rent animated movies for the family to watch. I remember when he wanted to rent Spirited Away and I was like, "Ew, no, looks dumb." and my whole family ended up loving it.
I have that secret hope as you, but at the same time I spend most of my money towards collecting anime dvds and animation is what I've enjoyed since I was about four years old. I always go in between hoping that I do lose interest and keeping it for the rest of my life. But I can completely see myself still enjoying it more after seeing a couple (they're about 35-40 year old) who runs an anime club and have a huge collection where their walls are just completely covered.

As for American cartoons being more directed to children. It's true and at the same time not. In the 90's there are tons of cartoons that have subtle jokes that only adults or teenagers would really understand. I went back to watch a lot of them and I thought about how I completely wouldn't have understood the joke at all when I was younger. Some of these shows even contain sexual innuendo (ie. Rocko's Modern Life with homosexual jokes, and the episode with "choking the chicken") which made me think that these shows aren't as childish as we like to think they really are.


You're 18 and worry about watching animation, I'm 26 how do you think i feel? But it seems i have a unknowingly surrounded myself with friends that also enjoy animation, my roommate is a huge anime fan. She goes out once a month to buy all the anime dvd's for shows she wants to see and the last week of every month we invite her boyfriend (a good friend of mine, that isn't much of an anime fan) over, make dinner, talk for awhile (mostly her BF and i talk about video games while she plays WoW) then after that we sit on the couch and watch a DVD of anime. The next night we watch the next dvd.

Even if sometimes i wonder about my own maturity level, the best solution is to have friends that enjoy similar things that you do. You don't have too but it's just a good idea. I think as long as you have a life out side of animation you'll start to feel better about the things you like.
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