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If God exists then y is the world so f***ed up?
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Assuming that God does exist...

God isn't doing these stuff. You might notice that its the people who make the wars. Its the people who make themselves hungry because they aren't working.. ok, that might not be true to everyone. but its a really long logic. it boils down to the people.. its the people who causes global warming.. this "was" paradise.. until we ruined it..


You're forgetting natural evil. You're forgetting that there are many many examples of tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes etc which also cause immense suffering. People lose their families, their homes, everything. I seriously doubt humans do these things to themselves.

But in terms of moral evil, then yes, you are correct. God gave us free will, and people shall continue to abuse it until we no longer exist. What I want to know is, if God made us, why did he make us to be naturally destructive? Every human has a destructive streak inside them, right from when they're toddlers and they laugh at their father falling down the stairs or something, to when (if you'll excuse the crude and common example of Hitler) they decide that it is ok to destroy an entire race of people just because they're different. What sort of God would create such a monstrous species?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


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the gods are powerful, but not omnipotent. Odin gave us life, but that does not mean he can control us. humanity sets its own course, and faces the consequences of its actions.

Geirröth chose to torture Grimnir, Agnar chose to spare him. who ended up impaled on their own sword?




Now that is a lot more logical than the Christian beliefs for real! (just makes more sense.)

I am an atheist and looking into religion from a non-religious point of view the Norse religion and there concept of God or Gods just make more sense and is more likely than the Christians god.



And what's more logical about Norse religion compared to Christian religion?

He just said it. It's basically a fundamental concept behind creation, with God creating us but not fully controlling us. Humanity sets its own course and consequences and whatever. That's Christian, too. I don't see what you mean about Norse being more logical than Christian.



The key here is in that Odin isn't omnipotent in the Astruar religion, where as YHWH is in the Abrahamic faiths. The Christian God chooses to not interfere (much) and allows evil and suffering to continue. This is a classic issue in Western religious philosophy called "the problem of evil". Most polytheistic religions accept that their gods are flawed and lack omnipotence, so we all share the blame, divine and mortal alike. Christianity doesn't have that. For many, that's good. Pray hard enough, and God might catch you when you fall. If not, blame the Devil or humanity.

Unfortunately, not everyone can buy into that logic.
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oooh, there are very religious people here so you should be careful...
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Apparently, God does not rule the fucking world. It's the people that makes the amends, and people are generally harmful beings. Plus, there's nature.
Posted 11/26/08

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oooh, there are very religious people here so you should be careful...


Those people aren't religious. If they were, they would appreciate other beliefs and still maintain theirs. The ones you refer to as are in denial freaks.
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Because our God is a vengeful God, and he just can't stop himself from getting his panties in a bunch over something we did thousands of years ago. So now he punishes us and drinks our sweet tears as his nourishment.
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Satan is the one who rules this world not God, only after Armageddon will God rule this world again.
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If the condition of the world makes you sad, why are you only complaining?
stop blaming something, make a change
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Don't blame God for the mess we've caused on this earth.


Hell half the messes on earth is caused in the name of this imaginary character known as god.
'Murder, Slavery, rape, and even holy wars. '
Yet they have no evidence at all for there god, but it does not stop them from brainwashing people into there religion, and doing whatever it takes to force there fake gods onto the rest of the world.

'the Bible makes for a good story book. Hell Not really I read the bible front to back about 30 times it sucked as a story book as well.' Any one with half a brain could tell that most of the bible was copied from the pagan religions, even Jesus was just a copied character, Just look up Mytho that is the god that was born of a virgin, did miracles for his people, and Died for their sins.' Jesus is just a weaker rip off of that Pagan god character.



do u have a strong evidence that god doesnt exist?
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Waragah wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


MisterGarcia wrote:

Don't blame God for the mess we've caused on this earth.


Hell half the messes on earth is caused in the name of this imaginary character known as god.
'Murder, Slavery, rape, and even holy wars. '
Yet they have no evidence at all for there god, but it does not stop them from brainwashing people into there religion, and doing whatever it takes to force there fake gods onto the rest of the world.

'the Bible makes for a good story book. Hell Not really I read the bible front to back about 30 times it sucked as a story book as well.' Any one with half a brain could tell that most of the bible was copied from the pagan religions, even Jesus was just a copied character, Just look up Mytho that is the god that was born of a virgin, did miracles for his people, and Died for their sins.' Jesus is just a weaker rip off of that Pagan god character.



do u have a strong evidence that god doesnt exist?



Stronger evidence than say that Dragons don't exist.
As strong of evidence that Santa Claus, King Kong, Godzilla, Odin, Thor, 9 tail Demon Fox, and the magical Flying spaghetti monster don't exist. There, is just as much evidence for them as your god. Yet there just as hard to disprove. Because finding evidence to prove that something does not exist is not how it works, and its really really imposable. The Idea is to prove your god is more real than the rest of them by showing it has more evidence that the others. But you can't because there is no proof its real.

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wat i heard from my friend is that, god wants peace, violence and chaos is a sin! if god really did exist then y doesnt He help us!! y are there still tens of thousands of pplz dying everyday of starvation?? y is there war still going on in da world? global warming, animals getting endangered and being extinct?? does that mean all the pplz who committed crime are all going to hell??


it's a test. people just get owned over and over again threw the bible. god's just a asshole.
Most likely, he/she doesn't exist and humans are just haters.
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Waragah wrote:

do u have a strong evidence that god doesnt exist?


do you have strong evidence that god does exist?
There is a decent amount of science that disproves creationism.

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Saying this as if God existed....

God probably wants us to learn from our mistakes. He can't solve everything for us.
If he did, we'd be causing corruption and expecting God to solve it.
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Well, I mean, if the world were an utopia, we wouldn't be learning or making any advancements would we? God (assuming he exists) wouldn't want the world to remain looking the same for the next x years.
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serealj wrote:


Waragah wrote:

do u have a strong evidence that god doesnt exist?


do you have strong evidence that god does exist?
There is a decent amount of science that disproves creationism.



this world and everything in it is the work of God.... you who denies the existence of God is the one who NEEDS to prove that He really doesn't exist. the science you are talking about is unknowingly supports the existence of God. we call the father of all creations God; science call it energy...
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