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Can early America be compared to Hitlers Germany?
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Can early America be compared to Hitlers Germany?

Lets look at a few facts...!

1. CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN THE U.S.?? Yes thats true, Native Americans was forced into Concentration camps, sometimes forced to march over 100's of miles killing a lot of them before even making it to the camps. Japanese in the 1942 had also been forced into Concentration camps by the Americans. (but this one is not about them this time around.)

2. America gave blankets from smallpox patients to the Native Americans to kill of many Native Americans in a terrorist act! : Estimates of mortality rates resulting from smallpox epidemics range between 38.5% for the Aztecs, 50% for the Piegan, Huron, Catawba, Cherokee, and Iroquois, 66% for the Omaha and Blackfeet, 90% for the Mandan, and 100% for the Taino. Smallpox epidemics affected the demography of the stricken populations for 100 to 150 years after the initial first infection.

3. American would rape the Native American Girls and they not only forced their religion upon the Indians, they outlawed the religious practices of there former religions.

There is a lot more I could get into but you got the Idea, now let debate the topic...





There also the fact that long speeches are not read so I keep it short.
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Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.
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Posted 11/22/08 , edited 11/22/08

leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.
Posted 11/22/08 , edited 11/22/08
its not the early america, its the present... asking me why, yankees deny of something unpatriotic towards their country. force their ideals on people. discriminate races, deem people against them as terrorist and more. sounds more like, no, sounds pretty close to fascism to me...
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noname01123 wrote:

its not the early america, its the present... asking me why, yankees deny of something unpatriotic towards their country. force their ideals on people. discriminate races, deem people against them as terrorist and more. sounds more like, no, sounds pretty close to fascism to me...



Your not aloud thinking like that! Careful what you say online! You do know that everything we say, on the computer or on the phone is listened in on by the government. (fact) Are freedoms today is just a illusion. I have lived in many places around this world. Even if I am to the most part American, I have to say a lot of other places are more free and better off than we as Americans are.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


I think you forgot the title of your thread.
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Under Bush fascist administration......yah the new era of a new Nazi....

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


Most of the medias are republicans.....
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Posted 11/22/08 , edited 11/22/08

leviathan343 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


I think you forgot the title of your thread.


Maby you should read the first post. Being that the thread can have a name like Flying pigs, and as we all know flying pigs is all about American Football. But if you did not know that and you did not read the first post than you don't know what the hell the thread is really about do you. You always go by the first post not the title.

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Posted 11/22/08 , edited 11/22/08

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


Media not controlled by government, but "special interests".
Government did not create HIV.
Aggressive foreign policy? Yes.

Read the part that says EARLY America.
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leviathan343 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


Media not controlled by government, but "special interests".
Government did not create HIV.
Aggressive foreign policy? Yes.

Read the part that says EARLY America.


Special Interests control the government and so yes government controls the Media.
Government has 3 military bases located in America, with some Super Pox, and Super Anthrax in them hidden in a lab. They created it during the cold war, Just encase they had to fight Russia they have Bioweapons to use that could wipe out an entire country yet leave the property undamaged.

'You still did not get the Idea of the thread? The thread is how we treat groups of people in are own country. It comparable if not worse than even what the Germans did to the Jews.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


Media not controlled by government, but "special interests".
Government did not create HIV.
Aggressive foreign policy? Yes.

Read the part that says EARLY America.


Special Interests control the government and so yes government controls the Media.
Government has 3 military bases located in America, with some Super Pox, and Super Anthrax in them hidden in a lab. They created it during the cold war, Just encase they had to fight Russia they have Bioweapons to use that could wipe out an entire country yet leave the property undamaged.

'You still did not get the Idea of the thread? The thread is how we treat groups of people in are own country. It comparable if not worse than even what the Germans did to the Jews.



If you want to make that argument, then actually provide examples that coincide with each other chronologically. Your whole argument is bullshit if you're just pulling shit out across a 250-year-long timespan.

Here's one: internment camps during World War II
Another one: the treatment of African-Americans for the majority of U.S. history

There's discrimination towards certain groups, big deal. Read some history and learn that this isn't exactly special nor horrific.

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leviathan343 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Extensive control over media?
Racial-centered superiority?
Loyalty to the government placed above all else?
Aggressive foreign policy?
Totalitarian rule?

So, me thinks I disagree.


Me things you should look into america a little more deeper.

Extensive Control over Media, hello FOX News!!! CNN! Both control what that masses get to see. O and there this pesky thing known as the FCC as well.
Even Hitler did not go as far as to create a plague to wipe the Jews out.
Aggressive foreign Policy? Hello America forces there will on all other Nations how is that not Aggressive!
Loyalty to the government placed above all else? Look up the cold war, to talk agents are Government was a crime and sent to without a trial to jail. On top of that we are not talking about the Government stance on the world, where america may be just as bad, we are talking about there crimes agents group of people within are country.


Media not controlled by government, but "special interests".
Government did not create HIV.
Aggressive foreign policy? Yes.

Read the part that says EARLY America.


Special Interests control the government and so yes government controls the Media.
Government has 3 military bases located in America, with some Super Pox, and Super Anthrax in them hidden in a lab. They created it during the cold war, Just encase they had to fight Russia they have Bioweapons to use that could wipe out an entire country yet leave the property undamaged.

'You still did not get the Idea of the thread? The thread is how we treat groups of people in are own country. It comparable if not worse than even what the Germans did to the Jews.



If you want to make that argument, then actually provide examples that coincide with each other chronologically. Your whole argument is bullshit if you're just pulling shit out across a 250-year-long timespan.

Here's one: internment camps during World War II
Another one: the treatment of African-Americans for the majority of U.S. history

There's discrimination towards certain groups, big deal. Read some history and learn that this isn't exactly special nor horrific.



'In that case Nazis are not bad guys ether.! (that is your logic. yeah there been bad people through out history, mostly the ones that used religion to get there way, but does that mean we should not learn from it, and not make the same mistakes.) What your saying is we should just Ignore what america did in the past, because its the norm. If thats how you want it, than things will Keep repeating it self and you may find your self in the next concatration camp! Have fun with that.

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Posted 11/23/08 , edited 11/23/08

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'In that case Nazis are not bad guys ether.! (that is your logic. yeah there been bad people through out history, mostly the ones that used religion to get there way, but does that mean we should not learn from it, and not make the same mistakes.) What your saying is we should just Ignore what america did in the past, because its the norm. If thats how you want it, than things will Keep repeating it self and you may find your self in the next concatration camp! Have fun with that.



List of fallacies you've committed in four lines of text:

slippery slope (my indifference to your stupidity will lead to me being in a concentration camp)
appeal to probability (America's history of discrimination will lead it to become like Nazi Germany)
appeal to ridicule (creating an argument for me when I never stated one)
appeal to spite (the 'association with Hitler is evil' internet syndrome)
ad hominem (attacking me personally)

My real point is that there's no sense in comparing early America to Nazi Germany to invoke some senes of moral indignation. Any other example will do.
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azera wrote:

Under Bush fascist administration......yah the new era of a new Nazi....



New era? You mean the one that'll be over in a few weeks?

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