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Was Slavery all that bad?
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Doesn't really matter, if someone is used as a slave it makes no difference. We aren't any better than horses or such so we can also we put to work and disposed of. Nobody told us we were better than anything else, we made that up ourselves, slavery was seen as being wealthy or business so what's the problem? They also had other things in the past which were cruel as well, we don't have it anymore cause our views changed over time. It depends on a person to decide whether it's bad or not, it's all opinion and no one can set a rule to it. What happens, happens, accept the fact and don't criticize on it.
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LemonyPanda wrote:

I was studying slavery in history right now and i've noticed that slavery wasn't all that bad. I mean of course its bad but its not as bad as people thought. MOST masters treated their slaves pretty well (they didn't let them do dangerous work because slaves are property and don't want to lose value in their property) and a lot of them were eventually freed by saving up their own money. Some white people in the free states were actually worse because as the industrial revolution came to be, there were thousands of workers working for 14 hours a day with only a 30 minute lunch break and only sunday off. There were no safety requirements so people were gettting their hands chopped off and were forced to live in crowded small rooms with 20 other strangers they haven't met before. A lot of people got sick because of the sanitary conditions and once you were sick/had your hand chopped off, you were no longer needed and therefore were kicked out onto the streets crippled and without a home. At least if you were a slave, you were fed, got to work in the open air, and were taken care of until you got old. Its only because of books like uncle tom's cabin and such that made slavery seem like torture


What the helllllll ... maybe ask yourself this question before starting such a stupid topic: would you like to be a *slave*?

No further comment needed I think.
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Peter, a slave from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1863. The scars are a result of a whipping by his overseer, who was subsequently fired by the master. It took two months to recover from the beating.


One of the little inconveniences of been a slave in America, since this is the context: slave=animal.
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Oh my god...I'm glad your only sixteen years old.

This topic is a joke.

All this from your high school text book? Give me a break.
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LemonyPanda wrote:

I was studying slavery in history right now and i've noticed that slavery wasn't all that bad. I mean of course its bad but its not as bad as people thought. MOST masters treated their slaves pretty well (they didn't let them do dangerous work because slaves are property and don't want to lose value in their property) and a lot of them were eventually freed by saving up their own money. Some white people in the free states were actually worse because as the industrial revolution came to be, there were thousands of workers working for 14 hours a day with only a 30 minute lunch break and only sunday off. There were no safety requirements so people were gettting their hands chopped off and were forced to live in crowded small rooms with 20 other strangers they haven't met before. A lot of people got sick because of the sanitary conditions and once you were sick/had your hand chopped off, you were no longer needed and therefore were kicked out onto the streets crippled and without a home. At least if you were a slave, you were fed, got to work in the open air, and were taken care of until you got old. Its only because of books like uncle tom's cabin and such that made slavery seem like torture


Such a lousy question?
Why have the people not volunteered if it was so terrific to be a slave?
Thinks about it why millions of people have fought and died for liberty.


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LemonyPanda wrote:

I was studying slavery in history right now and i've noticed that slavery wasn't all that bad. I mean of course its bad but its not as bad as people thought. MOST masters treated their slaves pretty well (they didn't let them do dangerous work because slaves are property and don't want to lose value in their property) and a lot of them were eventually freed by saving up their own money. Some white people in the free states were actually worse because as the industrial revolution came to be, there were thousands of workers working for 14 hours a day with only a 30 minute lunch break and only sunday off. There were no safety requirements so people were gettting their hands chopped off and were forced to live in crowded small rooms with 20 other strangers they haven't met before. A lot of people got sick because of the sanitary conditions and once you were sick/had your hand chopped off, you were no longer needed and therefore were kicked out onto the streets crippled and without a home. At least if you were a slave, you were fed, got to work in the open air, and were taken care of until you got old. Its only because of books like uncle tom's cabin and such that made slavery seem like torture


Obviously you were misinformed.

Also, you didn't state which type of slavery or the slaves you were referring to.
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asamiueto wrote:

hmm... i wonder what you blacks would be if your ancestors were not imported to the usa as slaves (other than just being slaves in africa )

hint - think starvation, hiv/aids, tb mixed with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_KzBgTcMZE


hmm, i wonder if you know how hiv/aids got there in the first place
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asamiueto wrote:

hmm... i wonder what you blacks would be if your ancestors were not imported to the usa as slaves (other than just being slaves in africa )

hint - think starvation, hiv/aids, tb, malaria, stds, parasites + mixed with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_KzBgTcMZE


hmm, i wonder if you know how hiv/aids got there in the first place


http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE491050.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/scientists-trace-the-orig_n_131056.html


Scientists Trace The Origin Of AIDS Virus

MALCOLM RITTER | October 1, 2008 03:35 PM EST |


NEW YORK — The AIDS virus has been circulating among people for about 100 years, decades longer than scientists had thought, a new study suggests. Genetic analysis pushes the estimated origin of HIV back to between 1884 and 1924, with a more focused estimate at 1908.

Previously, scientists had estimated the origin at around 1930. AIDS wasn't recognized formally until 1981 when it got the attention of public health officials in the United States.

The new result is "not a monumental shift, but it means the virus was circulating under our radar even longer than we knew," says Michael Worobey of the University of Arizona, an author of the new work.

The results appear in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. Researchers note that the newly calculated dates fall during the rise of cities in Africa, and they suggest urban development may have promoted HIV's initial establishment and early spread.

Scientists say HIV descended from a chimpanzee virus that jumped to humans in Africa, probably when people butchered chimps. Many individuals were probably infected that way, but so few other people caught the virus that it failed to get a lasting foothold, researchers say.

But the growth of African cities may have changed that by putting lots of people close together and promoting prostitution, Worobey suggested. "Cities are kind of ideal for a virus like HIV," providing more chances for infected people to pass the virus to others, he said.

Perhaps a person infected with the AIDS virus in a rural area went to what is now Kinshasa, Congo, "and now you've got the spark arriving in the tinderbox," Worobey said.

Key to the new work was the discovery of an HIV sample that had been taken from a woman in Kinshasa in 1960. It was only the second such sample to be found from before 1976; the other was from 1959, also from Kinshasa.

Researchers took advantage of the fact that HIV mutates rapidly. So two strains from a common ancestor quickly become less and less alike in their genetic material over time. That allows scientists to "run the clock backward" by calculating how long it would take for various strains to become as different as they are observed to be. That would indicate when they both sprang from their most recent common ancestor.

The new work used genetic data from the two old HIV samples plus more than 100 modern samples to create a family tree going back to these samples' last common ancestor. Researchers got various answers under various approaches for when that ancestor virus appeared, but the 1884-to-1924 bracket is probably the most reliable, Worobey said.

The new work is "clearly an improvement" over the previous estimate of around 1930, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Md. His institute helped pay for the work.

Fauci described the advance as "a fine-tuning."

Experts say it's no surprise that HIV circulated in humans for about 70 years before being recognized. An infection usually takes years to produce obvious symptoms, a lag that can mask the role of the virus, and it would have infected relatively few Africans early in its spread, they said.
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*sigh*
such fabricated lies.
got it off the net, right?
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*sigh*
such fabricated lies.
got it off the net, right?


latest scientific studies - those are a few links.

do you have some conspiracy theories?
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LemonyPanda wrote:
Why don't you learn UNBIASED history first and THEN come debate


Okay, gonna stop you there. Clearly you don't realise that history by definition is bias. There exists no non biased history. Come back when you at least have taken a university level history course.
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asamiueto wrote:


darkskinempress wrote:




*sigh*
such fabricated lies.
got it off the net, right?


latest scientific studies - those are a few links.

do you have some conspiracy theories?


i know this is supposed to be a discussion and I should have evidence to support my claims, but i'm too tired to talk it out.
i just detest statements like these that have no merit.
killing chimps?
god.

individuals were arrested and charged for spreading the hiv/aids virus in africa via false vaccinations.
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LemonyPanda wrote:
Why don't you learn UNBIASED history first and THEN come debate


Man I am terrified of the American education system.
It's like they are training people to be racist.
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serealj wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:
Why don't you learn UNBIASED history first and THEN come debate


Okay, gonna stop you there. Clearly you don't realise that history by definition is bias. There exists no non biased history. Come back when you at least have taken a university level history course.


Wtf, I was just about to comment on that too.

At least his comment made me laugh a bit.
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i hope your not serious??


y wouldn't I be?


that is like saying if i owned you and forced you into prostitution it would be okay as long as i gave you good clothes and a place to sleep.... being property is nothing compared to having free will..


why bring prostitution into this? and i would rather lose my free will and live happily (and maybe save up some money to buy my own freedom) than be "free" but not be able to do anything in life except for risk my life daily for a small paycheck that can barely get food for my already starving family.


i brought it up to make a point that not all slaves worked in the fields... also i dont know where you got the buy your freedom bit... you should look up how many slaves actually got to "buy there way out of freedom" before you state something so stupid.... also atleast those starving families got to be together rather then taken and split up... lastly you saying you would rather live in a "nice slave camp" instead of working in a factory is you expressing your free will.. slaves did not have the choice to work in the "nice slave camp" or not alot of them and or their families ended up in ones like uncle tom's cabin...


There were a lot of free blacks in the South contrary to popular belief before the civil war. ( i think 1/4 or 1/2 i tried to find my sheet of statistics but i left it in my locker) the south wasn't all plantation farms, only 4% of the white male population in the south were considered plantation farms, and 1/4 of the white male population owned slaves. 75% were dirt poor whites who had no slaves at all. and the south also passed a law that you can't sell children away from their mothers until they were 12 or something like that. idk about you but i'd rather have my son be sent and have a chance of freedom someday then have my children dying in my arms just because i didn't have enough money to afford the medicine they desperately need. btw the story of uncle tom's cabin is the one that started this stereoytype, very few masters treaetd their slaves like that and couldn't afford to beat their slaves because that would be 'devaluing property"


once again i didnt ask how many were free but i said find out how many were able to buy their way out of freedom.... also just because a small amount were free does not justify the ones that werent.. im fully aware that not everybody were slave owners.. and if slavery was so good then why dont you go and find out how many of these poor factory families sold their children to slavery as well... i bet you wont find any because they were smart enough to know it was not a better life..


i dont know the statistics for that but i know there were more people who bought their way or were freed by their masters than slaves who ran away. and btw im sure the families would have sold their children but it was illegal for a white to own another white


haha you really need to have a better argument before making false statements like these ones... just as you stated you are studying this subject its obvious you need to do some more research.. im done with this debate until you find some credible sources to back your so called evidence that slavery was not such a bad thing.. this will be never, and thus it means the end of this debate... once again i really hope your not serious about this and that your just really bored as i am...


what you expect me to fax my sheet of statistics to you? why don't you google it yourself


i have and none of your facts hold any weight also i have been educated on this subject and furthermore i have yet to find a slave that likes being a slave... so why dont you just google it if its so easy and post it on here.. because i cannot find it


scince your so lazy to google it yourself...

here read page 30

http://books.google.com/books?id=GHIQimmDvbcC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=slaves+old+south+treated+better&source=web&ots=VIKsBjzT_C&sig=GWJPepo2Odfo-7rF7XvIdVi294A&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPP5,M1
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