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Censoring books is ruining the world.
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Well, what do you know? Cencorship is the act of blocking material so that it can't be seen. To censor is to hide the ugly side of things. If you shield children from books like Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn because of the use of the "n word", children won't know how to deal with it when confronted with it. Censorship is also technically illegal in the US so the boards of education censoring books are commiting a crime against the first amemdment.

Today, I'm here to say that it is technically illegal to censor, or make it so schools do not read x y or z due to some mild content, books for children. Why do we censor? What do we hope to accomplish by removing great books from booklists? Harry Potter was removed. That is rediculous. By not exposing kids to some gruffer material, we create the illusion that the world is happy and pretty when it's really not. That does not prepare kids for life.

Also, some of the stuff they're putting on banned-book lists is completely mild or irrelevant. What is so offensive? Another reason why censoring is up now-a-days is probably because society is too damn sensitive. If the rest of society were't so damn sensitive to things: No child would be spoiled (By way of a parent being justifiably tough on their kid), kids would be able to handle racism, sexism, ageism better. More and more am I seeing kids spoiled as hell. This has got to stop as well. My point is, censorship blinds people.

Censorship can only cause problems. Do us all a favor, grow some balls, take it like a man and explain to your kids the gruffer sides of life. That's what parents are for: They aren't here for babying every second of the way, they aren't here for covering our eyes when something bad happens. They are here to prepare us for life and explaining things. Parents should be up in arms against censoring, but contemporary society has ruined any chance of that.

My solution is simple: Instead of blocking out the gruffer themes and books, have teachers talk about and explain such things to children, who cannot comprehend. Once they understand, society moves forward again. And then we're all mildly happy until another problem comes about. What does everyone else think?


Very true, and I agree with you completely. I like you Skygod. I may not always agree with you, but most of the time I do! XD

But, other stuff is getting banned too. Anything that the government doesn't like gets banned because it's "unamerican", or somesuch like that. Remember the nazis? They did that. That's where the term "book-burning comes from", especially cause they burned libraries.
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HokiePokie wrote:
Niger come from negro and niggard. Negro is black. Niggard means stupid. Mix the two, and you got nigger.


I thought "nigger" came from slang use of the word "negro". But that's just me.

Yea, "niggard" is a totally unrelated word that gets confused just because of a similar sound. People need to look up the etymology in the dictionary before they just mouth off like this.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nigger&x=0&y=0
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=niggard
There's this thing called the Internet. Use it.

Speaking of the Internet, anyone got a link to info on banned book lists, where the books are banned, and why?

Also interested in omissions from k-12 history books.
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My elementary school librarian encouraged me to read Harry Potter, that series got me into reading and now I love to read.
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Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are not children's book despite looking at there title. I think there arent many censored book in the U.S. What I have noticed is that serious themes like slavery and war appear in book that are read in middle school and highschool. i dont think exposing students to such themes at an early age is a good idea. depends on how early kids are maturing these days
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Well, what do you know? Cencorship is the act of blocking material so that it can't be seen. To censor is to hide the ugly side of things. If you shield children from books like Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn because of the use of the "n word", children won't know how to deal with it when confronted with it. Censorship is also technically illegal in the US so the boards of education censoring books are commiting a crime against the first amemdment.

Today, I'm here to say that it is technically illegal to censor, or make it so schools do not read x y or z due to some mild content, books for children. Why do we censor? What do we hope to accomplish by removing great books from booklists? Harry Potter was removed. That is rediculous. By not exposing kids to some gruffer material, we create the illusion that the world is happy and pretty when it's really not. That does not prepare kids for life.

Also, some of the stuff they're putting on banned-book lists is completely mild or irrelevant. What is so offensive? Another reason why censoring is up now-a-days is probably because society is too damn sensitive. If the rest of society were't so damn sensitive to things: No child would be spoiled (By way of a parent being justifiably tough on their kid), kids would be able to handle racism, sexism, ageism better. More and more am I seeing kids spoiled as hell. This has got to stop as well. My point is, censorship blinds people.

Censorship can only cause problems. Do us all a favor, grow some balls, take it like a man and explain to your kids the gruffer sides of life. That's what parents are for: They aren't here for babying every second of the way, they aren't here for covering our eyes when something bad happens. They are here to prepare us for life and explaining things. Parents should be up in arms against censoring, but contemporary society has ruined any chance of that.

My solution is simple: Instead of blocking out the gruffer themes and books, have teachers talk about and explain such things to children, who cannot comprehend. Once they understand, society moves forward again. And then we're all mildly happy until another problem comes about. What does everyone else think?


Hmmmm. Children are most vulnerable to knowledge. While they are still young, why not let them learn from wholesome things and not gruffer things? At some point, it may be best to have the children learn gruffer themes earlier but think of the possible outcome those children could turn into. We can't really see the consequence of censoring or allowing gruffer themes because we're alreadytoo mature enough to understand this things. Even if you explain it to them, children are children. Get the point?

My solution: Instead of censoring, why not make books that only mature people could understand? There's no point censoring it if children can't understand it anyway.

Limit to my solution: Children are always finding ways to understand something. Haha!

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i think books of course should not be censored....its our only clever words writen on paper
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What. The. Hell. Why the fuck are books being censored? You could probably get each book at a damn bookstore or library anyways, and the schools can't stop you there! What the hell do they think they're doing? Banning Harry Potter, of all books? What the hell did they ban it for, use of an English accent? "Bloody Hell Harry, I think we've been banned!"

Okay, my rant is over. I can understand people trying to shield their kids from things that are "wrong", but aren't they going to be exposed to it eventually? I mean, alot of things that I was never 'talked' to about I know about anyways! It's not like if the kids have a computer at home they won't wonder about it and go looking for it. Kids are curious about the unknown, and if they want to know about it, they'll find out one way or another, dammit!

Oh, and I love your avi Stuffedpurple116!
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skygod333 wrote:

Well, what do you know? Cencorship is the act of blocking material so that it can't be seen. To censor is to hide the ugly side of things. If you shield children from books like Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn because of the use of the "n word", children won't know how to deal with it when confronted with it. Censorship is also technically illegal in the US so the boards of education censoring books are commiting a crime against the first amemdment.

Today, I'm here to say that it is technically illegal to censor, or make it so schools do not read x y or z due to some mild content, books for children. Why do we censor? What do we hope to accomplish by removing great books from booklists? Harry Potter was removed. That is rediculous. By not exposing kids to some gruffer material, we create the illusion that the world is happy and pretty when it's really not. That does not prepare kids for life.

Also, some of the stuff they're putting on banned-book lists is completely mild or irrelevant. What is so offensive? Another reason why censoring is up now-a-days is probably because society is too damn sensitive. If the rest of society were't so damn sensitive to things: No child would be spoiled (By way of a parent being justifiably tough on their kid), kids would be able to handle racism, sexism, ageism better. More and more am I seeing kids spoiled as hell. This has got to stop as well. My point is, censorship blinds people.

Censorship can only cause problems. Do us all a favor, grow some balls, take it like a man and explain to your kids the gruffer sides of life. That's what parents are for: They aren't here for babying every second of the way, they aren't here for covering our eyes when something bad happens. They are here to prepare us for life and explaining things. Parents should be up in arms against censoring, but contemporary society has ruined any chance of that.

My solution is simple: Instead of blocking out the gruffer themes and books, have teachers talk about and explain such things to children, who cannot comprehend. Once they understand, society moves forward again. And then we're all mildly happy until another problem comes about. What does everyone else think?


I can't believe im saying this.. but i actually agree with u.

Posted 12/9/07

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Well I don't know about you, but I don't want my five year old sister reading about "niggers", violence, or any dark-themed material just yet. They don't fully understand such things as of yet and to teach them of such things in so early of an age would hasten their innocence and youthful experiences to a halt. We are already living in such depressing times and eventually the kids of today will be exposed to this as they come of age. Why throw them in this hellhole of a reality now? Let them keep some of their innocence for the time being and at least let them finish learning their maths, sciences, grammars and histories before throwing in realism because whether you like it or not, they will have understanding of it eventually.

I didn't grow up by being exposed to racism, sexism, and all that fun stuff, and as I sit here typing this I can confidently tell you all that I probably know more about anything than the rest of you, even under the such "censorship". As you come of age, your understanding of the world becomes more clear and everything just sort of falls into place. To expose kids to this now might just make them bitter and apathetic and not look forward into the future because it's already dark and bleak to begin with.. what's the point? Let them be children. They have the rest of their lives to read up or even experience racism, sexism, violence, rape, trauma, etc.

You guys make it seem like the government censored everything for good, much like how they censor stuff in China and other oppressive nations. All they did was ban certain literature that may be too complex and dark for the youth. They didn't ban it for good, because then, JK Rowling wouldn't be the millionaire she is now, or Tom Sawyer being referred to perpetually in all forms of media. A lot of you forget how lucky we are to be living here with this much freedom. But I guess it's never enough.

Just try to think outside the box every now and then, it's not that hard.
Would you purposely expose your children to things that may potentially traumatize them at their tender age? They still lack the skills to view things in different perceptions.

Still, I don't know why Harry Potter is banned.. perhaps because although the book seems to be aimed at young children, it is perhaps a bit dark and too complex for their understanding?


This is the kind of sensitivity bullshit that I was talking about in my post. They are banning books that have been around for ages, that most have read. Censoring is a crime against the first amendment. There should be no banned booklists. That is a perversion of the educational system. As I have said over and over, if you don't explain dark themes to children, they will never under stand. Here's why:

Children's brains absorb and take and retain more knowledge the earlier it is instated. That is whyy children learn second and third languages better than an adult would. The brain of a child is not fully developped so the information you explain the them aids in forming their brain. You have a choice: form it in an ignorant way or for it in an educational manner.

If you don't teach kids about these things from books where the good guy always wins, no matter what the theme, how do you expect kids to learn it. More so, where do you think they'll get it from? TV, radio, media, newspapers etc, things that are near impossible to avoid and censor. Would you rather kids learn how to deal with a darker theme in something that is made to teach or from something that is made to entertain the older audience? TV only censors curse words and body parts. That's it. You're on your own for anything else.

Personally, I don't want midgets running around saying shit that comes directly from TV. And quit painting the picture that the world is all happy. I'm not saying read Tom Sawyer at age 2. Read it at age 13 or 14 or older. Place things at appropriate ages, don't completely throw it away.
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Exactly. Don't bann a book from the entire distict, because a elementary student had it.

But, like I said, most of the bannings are from parents complaning. 4 of 5 parents complain about a book, and the school plain bans it, instead of providing alternatives.

I was a 4th grader, and I read 'Black Like Me'. I understood the topic, and my parents where letting me read it. However, the teacher finds out I was reading that for our independant novel projects, I get introuble, parents get called, and I get an F.

Guess what? My parents where the ones who bought me that book for chirstmas. The school was throwing a fit. And it wasn't like I was telling people what was IN the book. The kids took one look at the title and said "YOUR GOTH" or "UR RACIST OMG' dispite not knowing the meaning of either word.

School sucks.
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Don't deny it!!! The Fucken kids will have to learn about it sooner or later you assholes!!!!!

God schools are sooooooooo stupid sometimes. You gave us books to read so that we can learn but you won't let us fully understand what had happend.

Red Rose, had a whole bunch of sex in it and the book had missing pages.

One time i went to Borders and wanted to buy battle royal and there were missing pages of the girl rapping a dying boy! WTF?!!! All the books had those pages ripped out. that wasn't cool.

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I was a 4th grader, and I read 'Black Like Me'. I understood the topic, and my parents where letting me read it. However, the teacher finds out I was reading that for our independant novel projects, I get introuble, parents get called, and I get an F.

You seriously got an F for purely political reasons? What was the official reason for the F?

If my kid got an F for political reasons I'd show up at every school board meeting demanding that the teacher get fired until it was done.
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Michi_Michi wrote:
I was a 4th grader, and I read 'Black Like Me'. I understood the topic, and my parents where letting me read it. However, the teacher finds out I was reading that for our independant novel projects, I get introuble, parents get called, and I get an F.

You seriously got an F for purely political reasons? What was the official reason for the F?

If my kid got an F for political reasons I'd show up at every school board meeting demanding that the teacher get fired until it was done.


Trust me, my parent did. And, I only mearly didn't get graded for it. I didn't get an F or a A. I didn't get anything.

Teacher claims "It was not her reading level, and we have to read books at the students reading level!"

Dispite that, the girl sitting next to me did hers on a J-14 magazine. And got a A.

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no censering!
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censorship is wrong
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