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mimo310 wrote so well the thread looks like Reira bashing time

I think Reira suffers from what is call " inferior complex". Her actions lead me to wonder whether she would do everything ( although she may be unconscious of that ) to have people look at her, love her, an treasure her. She always think that if she does not sing, then she is worthless. Her sacrifice action to help Ren was actually an act to help her as well, maybe she would not feel so lost and deserted ( by Takumi ) if she is needed by someone, thus she was devastated when Ren refused her help ( since Nana would hate it ). She would not believe anyone would love her for who she is- I mean, not as Reira of Trapnest but just as Reira, (...)


i think it's a point that's well made, that Reira thinks that her only worth is her singing. and for a person to feel that they wouldnt be accepted for who they are, but only if and for the service they can bring others, that's not little matter. and also, think it in real life terms, it's not a kind of problem one can easily overcome alone. and look at her, she is alone. everyone treats her like a princess, but can she reasonably believe it's for another reason than for being trapnest's voice? i dont think she reasonably can. i think the way acted when she tried to literaly buy shin's attention says a lot. yes, she cries a lot and whimps a lot and probably bitches a lot, but after all she can afford to, as a singing princess. i think it's not reasonable to expect her to just sing her part brightly and then gracefuly return to a corner and stay put there until someone calls for her next performance. she's human, after all. i will not go on about her living among the young men of the band and its implications, nor about her wish that her feelings for takumi should be acknoledged and answered - which, btw, i dont think it's that illegitimate. anyone who would put/have been themselves in her position would understand. that's only how human attachments work.

but yes, she is pretty, and hachi is apprehensive about her because of takumi, nana is also apprehensive about her since "she" was among those who took ren away and she's already a successful voice, what else ... ah, yes, the-underage-shin thing... well... especially when her selfishness is so bluntly depicted, isn't it so easy to turn her into some antagonist... (although i think the characters i've mentioned are far from being unselfish themselves, but it is not here the place to fetch examples).
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Sure you gotta admit everybody is selfish in this manga, that's one of the "specials" that this manga contains. Reira is a character where she's not everybody's cup of tea. She's immature, selfish, a bit of a *cough* pedophile, and a hateful or pitiable (depends on how you look at it) person. Yeah, the star life is lonely-but guess what? Reira in the end chose to follow Takumi's lead and become a singer.

Sure Reira depends on Takumi alot, but isn't she her own person? That's what I'm annoyed with about her. She doesn't realize she could do things on her own. Okay she got bullied in the past, but I'm going to break the bubble and say Who doesn't get bullied when they're younger? Sure Takumi is her first love, but didn't all of us at one point loved? And the majority of the characters learned to let go of a love that couldn't be attainable. There are things called moving on. And Reira doesn't seem to know how to do that.

She's basically confined in her own little box which is unfortunate, BUT she can get out of that little box (in a right and moral way) if she put to EFFORT to do so. Trying to drag Takumi down, Sleeping with Shinichi, still saying that she wants to bring down Takumi after 7 years? That doesn't look like effort to me. That just shows how immature and narrow minded and selfish she is. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'm frustrated whenever I see Reira because she doesn't even try CORRECTLY.

Whenever she tries to get over something she always picks the MOST wrong path to take. Just like how Reira when she was 14,15,16 or so (idk the age) she slept with Yasu because she wanted to get over Takumi. Yeah, everybody has their ways of forgetting someone, but that was just ridiculous. And to point out even more that process of sleeping with Yasu didnt even work (in terms of Reira getting over Takumi).

Since Reira is Takumi's childhood friend, wouldn't she know the most about how Takumi can be? Since she knows so well how Takumi is, why bother? Love? You can get over love, if you choose to. And if you can't then don't get in other people's way, and don't ruin other people's happiness, and don't get rid the remainder of your dignity. Bottom line I feel Reira is a nutcase, more so than anyone in the manga. Ultimately I don't think she deserves to be happy if she's going to keep this up. I mean who deserves to be happy after ruining someone else's life and not even repenting for it?

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Yay finally, people who cannot stand Reira as well! I hate the way she's portrayed as this really weak woman who needs to be hugged and consoled by the men around her all the time. Although it's rather insulting, what Takumi said about her is true - she's like a damsel in distress trapped in a tower, completely powerless and controlled by circumstances. She has a serious case of dependency syndrome I think, even relying on a boy 7 or 8 years younger than her to 'save' her from her emotional suffering. So Takumi takes it upon himself to 'rescue' Reira by [SPOILER!] sleeping with her, and of course Reira can't say no, despite knowing that Takumi's just doing this to ensure that she'll continue to be their faultless singing machine. Yes she's a pitiable character, but I really wish that she'll pick herself up instead of always victimizing herself and going all goo-goo eyes on the readers - I know I'm being mean, but everytime she starts being emo, I turn the page.

But I guess one reason why I prefer Hachi over Reira is that the former reveals her thinking process to us through her narration, so no matter how infantile or selfish her behaviour is, I can always relate to her somehow. So, since poor Reira is not one of the narrators and has no way of showing us her thoughts, the only plausible reasons I can assign for her OVERWHELMING, BOTTOMLESS sorrow are (1) her unrequited love for Takumi (I mean in the emotional sense) and her severed relationship with Shin, as well as (2) the tension between her reluctance towards being a mere singing machine and her belief that she is only deemed as important when she assumes her 'singing princess' persona. But wallowing in self-pity forever is certainly not going to help, so I'm really glad to see signs of a stronger, more confident Reira from the future.
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She's immature, selfish, a bit of a *cough* pedophile, and a hateful or pitiable (depends on how you look at it) person. Yeah, the star life is lonely-but guess what? Reira in the end chose to follow Takumi's lead and become a singer.

Sure Reira depends on Takumi alot, but isn't she her own person? That's what I'm annoyed with about her. She doesn't realize she could do things on her own. Okay she got bullied in the past, but I'm going to break the bubble and say Who doesn't get bullied when they're younger? Sure Takumi is her first love, but didn't all of us at one point loved? And the majority of the characters learned to let go of a love that couldn't be attainable. There are things called moving on. And Reira doesn't seem to know how to do that.

She's basically confined in her own little box which is unfortunate, BUT she can get out of that little box (in a right and moral way) if she put to EFFORT to do so. Trying to drag Takumi down, Sleeping with Shinichi, still saying that she wants to bring down Takumi after 7 years? That doesn't look like effort to me. That just shows how immature and narrow minded and selfish she is. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'm frustrated whenever I see Reira because she doesn't even try CORRECTLY.

Bottom line I feel Reira is a nutcase, more so than anyone in the manga. Ultimately I don't think she deserves to be happy if she's going to keep this up. I mean who deserves to be happy after ruining someone else's life and not even repenting for it?


i couldn't have said it better than you!!! reira's life is miserable because this is how she choised it to be!!! it's her own fault for being unhappy and alone. no wonder she doesn't have any girlfriends.

and i still think she is gulty for ren's death......
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I'm so jealous that Layla gets to be with all of the guys in Trapnest!!
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lalamesilly wrote:

Sure you gotta admit everybody is selfish in this manga, that's one of the "specials" that this manga contains. Reira is a character where she's not everybody's cup of tea. She's immature, selfish, a bit of a *cough* pedophile, and a hateful or pitiable (depends on how you look at it) person. Yeah, the star life is lonely-but guess what? Reira in the end chose to follow Takumi's lead and become a singer.

Sure Reira depends on Takumi alot, but isn't she her own person? That's what I'm annoyed with about her. She doesn't realize she could do things on her own. Okay she got bullied in the past, but I'm going to break the bubble and say Who doesn't get bullied when they're younger? Sure Takumi is her first love, but didn't all of us at one point loved? And the majority of the characters learned to let go of a love that couldn't be attainable. There are things called moving on. And Reira doesn't seem to know how to do that.

She's basically confined in her own little box which is unfortunate, BUT she can get out of that little box (in a right and moral way) if she put to EFFORT to do so. Trying to drag Takumi down, Sleeping with Shinichi, still saying that she wants to bring down Takumi after 7 years? That doesn't look like effort to me. That just shows how immature and narrow minded and selfish she is. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'm frustrated whenever I see Reira because she doesn't even try CORRECTLY.

Whenever she tries to get over something she always picks the MOST wrong path to take. Just like how Reira when she was 14,15,16 or so (idk the age) she slept with Yasu because she wanted to get over Takumi. Yeah, everybody has their ways of forgetting someone, but that was just ridiculous. And to point out even more that process of sleeping with Yasu didnt even work (in terms of Reira getting over Takumi).

Since Reira is Takumi's childhood friend, wouldn't she know the most about how Takumi can be? Since she knows so well how Takumi is, why bother? Love? You can get over love, if you choose to. And if you can't then don't get in other people's way, and don't ruin other people's happiness, and don't get rid the remainder of your dignity. Bottom line I feel Reira is a nutcase, more so than anyone in the manga. Ultimately I don't think she deserves to be happy if she's going to keep this up. I mean who deserves to be happy after ruining someone else's life and not even repenting for it?




Its been a long time ^_^ how are you ^_^ well lets get this going I missed the old days when we used to talk about every new chapter that came out >_< Any news on her health?

Anyways in response to you I couldn't agree more. I do admit I loved reira when she first appeared in NANA but as time when on I found to be a completely sad,shameless, and pitable character not that I'm saying everyone else in the manga is an angel far from that but to me everyone HAS a good reason for being who they are today. Reira on the other hand just can't let go of her need for takumi which has resulted in a lot of suffering to those around her especially Shin. First love comes and goes and in some cases is even successful love story but in her case Takumi has stated over and over again that he only sees her as his sister but even so she can't let go. I don't feel sorry for her because she made her life the way it is. She could have tried to get over her "love" in a more moderate way but she used yasu and later shin to cover up her own loneliness because in reality even though she didn't admit it at first the one she really wanted was takumi and yasu and later shin acknowledged this after much hestiation on their part. They really cared about her but she chose to live in her own little box as you've said. When Ren death occurred she went even more within her own little world by chosing to ignore reality and was placed in a hospital. What I hate about this most is that ok I know she was good friends with ren but she didn't have to go completely "blank" she wasn't his wife or anything. Everyone else is holding themselves up even NANA who should be the one most devastated over these events.

In short she has to stop living in her own world and ruining others pontential happiness. She needs to stop wallowing her own SAD PAST and LOST as if its all about her -_- Frankly I don't think she deserves to be happy seeing as how behavior has been as of late.

Heck she doesnt even want to acknowledge the fact that hachi is there and is pregnant with takumi child. sigh
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lalamesilly wrote:

Sure you gotta admit everybody is selfish in this manga, that's one of the "specials" that this manga contains. Reira is a character where she's not everybody's cup of tea. She's immature, selfish, a bit of a *cough* pedophile, and a hateful or pitiable (depends on how you look at it) person. Yeah, the star life is lonely-but guess what? Reira in the end chose to follow Takumi's lead and become a singer.

Sure Reira depends on Takumi alot, but isn't she her own person? That's what I'm annoyed with about her. She doesn't realize she could do things on her own. Okay she got bullied in the past, but I'm going to break the bubble and say Who doesn't get bullied when they're younger? Sure Takumi is her first love, but didn't all of us at one point loved? And the majority of the characters learned to let go of a love that couldn't be attainable. There are things called moving on. And Reira doesn't seem to know how to do that.

She's basically confined in her own little box which is unfortunate, BUT she can get out of that little box (in a right and moral way) if she put to EFFORT to do so. Trying to drag Takumi down, Sleeping with Shinichi, still saying that she wants to bring down Takumi after 7 years? That doesn't look like effort to me. That just shows how immature and narrow minded and selfish she is. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'm frustrated whenever I see Reira because she doesn't even try CORRECTLY.

Whenever she tries to get over something she always picks the MOST wrong path to take. Just like how Reira when she was 14,15,16 or so (idk the age) she slept with Yasu because she wanted to get over Takumi. Yeah, everybody has their ways of forgetting someone, but that was just ridiculous. And to point out even more that process of sleeping with Yasu didnt even work (in terms of Reira getting over Takumi).

Since Reira is Takumi's childhood friend, wouldn't she know the most about how Takumi can be? Since she knows so well how Takumi is, why bother? Love? You can get over love, if you choose to. And if you can't then don't get in other people's way, and don't ruin other people's happiness, and don't get rid the remainder of your dignity. Bottom line I feel Reira is a nutcase, more so than anyone in the manga. Ultimately I don't think she deserves to be happy if she's going to keep this up. I mean who deserves to be happy after ruining someone else's life and not even repenting for it?



WOW! I agree with everything you said :)
That response was wonderful.

Anyways, that's why I love this manga. It's so human.
Even though Reira can stop acting like a brat, she still makes the worst decisions...she makes things complicated when it's not necessary.

Hopefully, she evolves as a person but I doubt it...
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Its been a long time ^_^ how are you ^_^ well lets get this going I missed the old days when we used to talk about every new chapter that came out >_< Any news on her health?



I KNOW! Remember when this forum use to be active? Now the usual members who are active in this forum has been hibernating b/c chapter 85 still hasn't been released.

Well, I hope the author is okay and that she's resting...I can't wait for the next chapter (whenever that may be). As long as she doesn't drop the series then I'll be happy but I do admit...my patience is waning.

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Girls like Reira never have female friends, it would take the attention away from them. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that chick.
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Wow, haven't even logged in to this in years.. Anyway!

I agree with all of you, however I think there's something you're missing out. Reira went to Japan because her father died. This being said, she was just a child at the time and as previous statements have said she was bullied, so unable to make friends. This means that when she got close to Takumi, he became the man (or rather boy) in her life with the absence of her father. It's only natural that she'd become attached to her only friend, but more so because in a sense he was a replacement for her father.

So yes, they might have had a sibling-like relationship, but even when she started kissing Takumi she did so because that's what she did with her friends/family and most probably her father back at home. She did everything out of fear of losing Takumi and a want to stay close to him, though she hates being trapped, she never wants to lose him. I think that's only natural that she doesn't want to lose him like she did her father, because afterall Takumi became the dependable man in her life. It's stupid to think she could replace him, really.

Marrying Hachi would obviously make Reira feel like Takumi's drifting from her. I think sleeping with Takumi was her way of keeping a place in his heart, at the very least in his thoughts, and by sleeping with her he'd be reassuring her that he still cares for her despite being married. Of course her actions were wrong, but I think Ai put thought into them, and in a twisted way they do make sense.

...I still dislike her for Ren's death though.
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