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the last 2 are all shinji's mind, and I haven't seen the series in so long I don't remember about the last angel
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Posted 12/21/08 , edited 12/21/08

animeuser559 wrote:

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soo i just finish watching the series and im confused on the last three episodes, so i have some questions to those of you who got what the last three episodes meant. first question is why did the last angel wanted to die?, and correct me if im wrong the last two episodes is basically all in shinjis mind am i right?


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"Friend", not new lover btw, that translation is from the Remastered where they tried to contaminate the final interpretation with yaoi fangirldom. Christianity is a still a little too heavy for the Japanese(read anything "gaijin").

Original: Shinji, I pity you(and therefore your ancestors that lead to your misery). Remastered: Shinjki, I love you(want to go steady?). Remastered is full of holes like that, different director(*dryheaves*).

2) SEGA cut budget for last 2 episodes and unlike Nadia, Anno did not have enough time to save away money for the tragedy(the middle of Nadia was a massacre).
And yes, the opening credits of the show detail nuances of later plot/character reveals, indicating Anno had his story planned out. So the series ending was not 'up in the air' when the budget cut occurred(see Nadia).

His stuff has always been borderline revolutionary(see gaijin) and when he takes the foreground on a project at GAINAX, they run up against media censors. With no money, they could not visualise the high framerates needed for the final brawl with SEELE.

So he did as many stills and concept pieces as he could to get across the final message(which can be nuanced many ways and bother for years later, as any good philosophical piece should.) it appears to be in the character's minds because they had to scrap the visuals and present a generic stage to broadcast the introspection on that day's events.
End of Evangelion can easily be overlaid with the last 2 episodes.

But you actually have to know about Freud's view points on this mess we call "Humanity".
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I agree with lusulpher: watch End of Evangelion and forget about the last two eps.
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Posted 8/6/09 , edited 8/6/09

lusulpher wrote:

"Friend", not new lover btw, that translation is from the Remastered where they tried to contaminate the final interpretation with yaoi fangirldom. Christianity is a still a little too heavy for the Japanese(read anything "gaijin").

Original: Shinji, I pity you(and therefore your ancestors that lead to your misery). Remastered: Shinjki, I love you(want to go steady?). Remastered is full of holes like that, different director(*dryheaves*).


You just made the whole series make sense again, at least to me. I thought the whole lover thing was a bit out of left field, especially after watching End of Eva. That whole remastered translation left me wondering how much was loosely translated and how much was actually correct.
Posted 8/28/09 , edited 9/20/09
All in his mind he was pretty much recovering from the trauma from the rest of the series. He was in his "happy place". The last angel wanted to die because although originaly he wanted to free adam and exterminate the human race his freindship with shinji and a talk with adam changed his mind and made him decide that the human race should survive and for that he had to die. That series was really deep . I hope this helps you understand this great series.
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animeuser559 wrote:

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soo i just finish watching the series and im confused on the last three episodes, so i have some questions to those of you who got what the last three episodes meant. first question is why did the last angel wanted to die?, and correct me if im wrong the last two episodes is basically all in shinjis mind am i right?


k so first thing is first the angel wanted to die cause: 1 being the ange of free will or the 17 angel tabriss he decides as soon as he sees lilith on the cross that he is goint to end with humanity and giving them no other choice 2 kaworu "loving" shinji and humanity decides to leave humanity's fate up to him but in order for that to happen he needs to die, now the second part of ur question yes it is in shinjis mind now once you watch the end of evangelion u r goin to see that when he is doin the human instrumentallity proyect he is arguing if this is correct now the thing bout the last episodes is that it occurs in the ppls mind and in the end of evangelion they show y it was happening in the ppls mind now when he finishes he comes out breaks the walls and comes out to a shiny sun and all nice place in the end of evangelion no he comes out to a dark apocaliptic world and its cause u need to watch the EoE in order to understand the last two episodes
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What I find insulting is that the original translation is 1.1[?] and officially released by GAINAX IN ENGLISH.

And the Remastered ships with Translation 1.12 or some crap.[If Rei turns into a giant Rei in ep 22-SERIES SPOILER EPS TOO EARLY WTF!, and Kaji says that extra line in his death scene, you are watching the crap edition, list goes on]

That was hallowed ground of subtlety/art. It's like Spike doing a monologue instead of saying "Bang." It's like in the Godfather they kill all those horses and paint the walls of the room in blood. It's like an Eleventh Commandment.

It was unnecessary and tasteless.

And my brother deleted my old AVI copies a week back when I was pulling them from my old comp so I no longer enjoy uncorrupted Anno unless I can find replacements on Ebay.

Btw, watch Castle In The Sky, Anno used the Eva sound effects in that movie. It's so nostalgic when stuff smashes. And that guy behaves like Gendo. Which really credits how long he was working on Eva, as I found Shinji in Wings of Honneamise.[that guy who did Akira is also a plagiarist, for ALL "his" movies... ]

And the more Anno/Miyazaki/Gundam/Gainax stuff I go through, the more first renders of Evangelion's real world characters and it still continues in Kare Kano,FLCL, Gurren, and all the other clonejobs that follow.

Naausica of the Valley has a friggin' Eva in it!
Nadia has Aida/young Misato/Gendo
Shinji/Kaji in 0080: War In the Pocket.
Asuka/Gendo in Gunbuster

Anno pretty much holds up a third of the anime mech work with polished characters. And those who lack Anno, are near sterile. Patlabor/early GitS anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutie_Honey_%28film%29 I'm tempted to watch this for he can do no wrong....



Ozymo wrote:

All in his mind he was pretty much recovering from the trauma from the rest of the series. He was in his "happy place". The last angel wanted to die because although originaly he wanted to free adam and exterminate the human race his freindship with shinji and a talk with adam changed his mind and made him decide that the human race should survive and for that he had to die. That series was really deep . I hope this helps you understand this great series.


Tabris spoke with Lillith. Adam was in Gendo's palm. Adam would have said "nuke them, nuke 'em all! The s.o.bs!!!"

What I can't figure is if Lillith said spare her Lilim, why did she enjoy torturing Shinji in the middle of End Of Eva[ shapeshifting to tabris and Asuka] to mess with Shinji. The Asuka apartment thing was clearly hostile.[and no, Asuka was not dead, and no she was not in direct contact with Shinji until the nude montage with suggestive dialogue. see eps 25/6]

Was that revenge against a boy for stuff adults did?? Still bothers me.
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miraimike wrote:

I agree with lusulpher: watch End of Evangelion and forget about the last two eps.


Whoa there, in so many words my opinion is, End of Eva is the part that should be allowed to complete the original ending. The original 2 eps are the bones and the films were the flesh.

They are both horrifying to look at standalone, but together they function perfectly.

Most people either want the original to be deleted or the movies to be deleted, I can't rationalize that because they are not separate.

Posted 2/28/10 , edited 2/28/10
I read the manga, up untill the 24th episode, then watched the anime, all episodes + end of evangelion. And to be honest, I had expected much more. Yes, I knew there was some sort of psychologically mind-baffling message coming, but I never imagined it would be such a rather vague one. I also expected some sort of physically possible ending to be there, accompanying that deep message. I did enjoy the specific style of the anime and manga, cold as it might have been at times. The "old"-style drawing and animating was enjoyable as wel. My favourite character was definitely Ayanami Rei and I got most pleasure out of watching her relationship with Shinji evolving, which is worked out better in the manga then then anime. All in all, it's a great anime and manga up until anime episode 24. After that, it's hard to keep track of the story (at least for me) and what they are actually trying to tell. All in all, I'm a bit unsatisfied with the current ending, although that could just be due to my lack of understanding.

I got as far as this interpretation.

After a long internal struggle, Shinji embraces life in the way he's used to it, accepting that people get hurt and hurt eachother, as a part of life. Troublish as the odd animated images may be (with the giant Rei etc), it eventually comes down to the part where everyone can "revive", just as long as they have the will to live, which is natural for nearly every living thing (except when you're name is Ikari Shinji of course). Right before Shinji rematerializes, from the LCL sea the world has become, he has some weird dialogue with his mother (lost me there, with the "I'll live forever alone" thing). When he does rematerializes, he's on a beach in a post-apocalyptic world with Asuka. He sees Rei, but she's not really there apparently (which is a shame cause she was the best character of the manga/anime). Then he tries to strangle Asuka but is halted by her movement (don't ask me why he strangles her), after which she says a few much discussed words which are most commonly translated as "disgusting" or "I feel sick". Now, I do see the Adam and Eve metaphore here, with those two being the only ones there and the "I feel sick" as a subtle hint towards "I'm pregnant". And that's it. Now that's the problem, as there is no continuation. We have absolutely no clue what happens with the world from that point on. Also, the Asuka-Shinji relationship can hardly be described as a loving one, so it makes the ending even more confusing, as I had expected him to end up with Ayanami as the new Adam and Eve (face it, Ayanami is so much hotter and better than Asuka). All in all, the message gets through, but it's confusing and unclear. Also, there are too many blank spots.

Perhaps anyone would be capable of enlightening me further if possible?
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