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Post Reply DJ's & Producers -- Beats, Samples & Remixes
Posted 4/17/08
Favorite Producers

Just Blaze
Dr. Dre
Kanye West
Timbaland
Neptunes

Posted 4/17/08
Scott Storch!
Posted 4/17/08

shadowclone_crasyjak wrote:


underdogg92 wrote:

Scott Storch!


seriously?????


Hey, I like some of his songs that he produced.
Posted 4/18/08

shadowclone_crasyjak wrote:


underdogg92 wrote:


shadowclone_crasyjak wrote:


underdogg92 wrote:

Scott Storch!


seriously?????


Hey, I like some of his songs that he produced.


ok... sure he makes some good tracks.... BUT that wuz the only person u put up so i wuz a lil worried


Naw, he is just one of them that I like. I don't know a lot of other producers.
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raja613 wrote:

I would like to comment on Timbaland......he is not lame I just believe that in the Rap game people did not show him love......i.e. his albums Timbaland and Magoo....so I'm pretty sure thats why he moved on to pop because they will support him no matter how crazy and eccentric his beats will be.....I consider Timbaland to just be on another level now than what he used to be.

Oh yeah Talib Kweli.....pretty decent


I thought Timberland moved to Pop, because since Aaliyah died, he has NO ONE PERSON that he gives...makes his beats to personally for.
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raja613 wrote:

Sampling........its done so often in the rap game we don't even know if some artists are actually original! People such as Kanye West, Timberland, and Dr. Dre have all sampled in their career and they have become very successful! But is it right take other peoples beats and make more money then the person who made it? Yes, there are copyright laws that prevent this but often artist never report where they sampled! And should they be credited as being original?

Here are some rap sample vids They are 10 minutes but if you click more info....you can see the songs and the sampler songs (I think they out of order lol):

Rap Samples 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iN8ol2x8w&feature=related

Rap Samples 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZYiYBaDeD8&NR=1

Rap Samples 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk7bnAc3VSg&feature=related





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raja613 wrote:

Sampling........its done so often in the rap game we don't even know if some artists are actually original! People such as Kanye West, Timberland, and Dr. Dre have all sampled in their career and they have become very successful! But is it right take other peoples beats and make more money then the person who made it? Yes, there are copyright laws that prevent this but often artist never report where they sampled! And should they be credited as being original?

Here are some rap sample vids They are 10 minutes but if you click more info....you can see the songs and the sampler songs (I think they out of order lol):

Rap Samples 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iN8ol2x8w&feature=related

Rap Samples 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZYiYBaDeD8&NR=1

Rap Samples 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk7bnAc3VSg&feature=related




Ironically I JUST watched those videos a few days ago.

I think sampling is fine as long as you don't do that shit TOO MUCH like Kanye.

He's an awesome RAPPER...but an awesome PRODUCER?? Nah.....he lacks originality.





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shadowclone_crasyjak wrote:


raja613 wrote:

Sampling........its done so often in the rap game we don't even know if some artists are actually original! People such as Kanye West, Timberland, and Dr. Dre have all sampled in their career and they have become very successful! But is it right take other peoples beats and make more money then the person who made it? Yes, there are copyright laws that prevent this but often artist never report where they sampled! And should they be credited as being original?

Here are some rap sample vids They are 10 minutes but if you click more info....you can see the songs and the sampler songs (I think they out of order lol):

Rap Samples 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iN8ol2x8w&feature=related

Rap Samples 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZYiYBaDeD8&NR=1

Rap Samples 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk7bnAc3VSg&feature=related


Dont we have a topic for DJs & producers....? im too lazy-busy to check, if so, pleez move that there.... if not, w/e

if the topic is whats your fav DJ / producer... which it maybe... u good, might just change the title later.... :)


I look before I make topics........you of all people should know that,jak. We have one about Which Hip Hop DJ's do you like most.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-39472/Which-Hip-Hop-DJs-and-Producers-you-like-most-.html

I'll change the title of the forum topic.........





raja613 wrote:


Marcell2aG wrote:

Ironically I JUST watched those videos a few days ago.

I think sampling is fine as long as you don't do that shit TOO MUCH like Kanye.

He's an awesome RAPPER...but an awesome PRODUCER?? Nah.....he lacks originality.



Well for that matter, alot of producer lack orginality in the rap game.........I was amazed at how many songs were sampled! i mean some of them were obvious but hell some weren't.........but I think it has muddled the rap game. We claim to be original but yet we take other people shit tweak it and rap on it and BAM its a hit! As for Kanye you know damn well where I stand with him! True enough yeah its innovative how they basically took something and made it better.......but it takes away from rappers finding an original song............I can say for a fact that Andre 3000 and Timberland make original shit because they are MUSICIANS!





Lazy_Peon wrote:

Sampling is cool if you can really flip it so it doesn't sound like the original.





nolrame wrote:

I have sampled for only one song I've produced so far (unreleased). If you listen to a lot of artist's in the unsigned group, the songs are pretty much 100% original...but I was thinking maybe mainstream artists like to sample for the same reason anyone does. If you hear a good riff or part of a song u like and get an idea for adjusting it a bit, u are going to want to do it. You can't even say that the songs are bad (not that anyone has). Yes, it's unoriginal, but the artists think about what sounds good and what the audience will think about the song. Just because it's unoriginal, doesn't mean we won't listen to it or like it.





crasyjak wrote:

i personally like samples... especially the oldie ones like Kanye does that uses the chorus for the hook...

ex. "Through the Wire" & "Overnight Celebrity"

cuz after a while basic drum beats get kinda.... boring or overused... i like hearing piano & strings & horns.
They maybe one of the reasons Kanye is so hot, he never just uses the drums as the dominant sound...


"Touch the sky" - brass instruments
"Coming Home Again" - Piano

What Dave Chappelle said was true... black ppl like the drums, latino ppl like the electric piano, & white ppl like the guitar





raja613 wrote:


crasyjak wrote:

i personally like samples... especially the oldie ones like Kanye does that uses the chorus for the hook...

ex. "Through the Wire" & "Overnight Celebrity"

cuz after a while basic drum beats get kinda.... boring or overused... i like hearing piano & strings & horns.
They maybe one of the reasons Kanye is so hot, he never just uses the drums as the dominant sound...


"Touch the sky" - brass instruments
"Coming Home Again" - Piano

What Dave Chappelle said was true... black ppl like the drums, latino ppl like the electric piano, & white ppl like the guitar


Kanye..............uses samples toooooooooo freaking much to be even considered original at all maybe his geeky,college boy, borderline gay look/clothes is the only thing i will give him credit for! But i guess you can't make anything original anymore........its all been done.





Marcell2aG wrote:


raja613 wrote:

Kanye..............uses samples toooooooooo freaking much to be even considered original...


EXACTLY......


I rest my case.





big_j_gangsta wrote:

You keep bitchin' about how many times Kanye uses samples, raja? You've obviously forgotten about the muthafucka that made sampling an obsession in hip hop....................






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big_j_gangsta wrote:

You keep bitchin' about how many times Kanye uses samples, raja? You've obviously forgotten about the muthafucka that made sampling an obsession in hip hop....................



Actually you and raja are both correct.





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raja613 wrote:

Kanye..............uses samples toooooooooo freaking much.


Again, it doesn't matter if he uses samples too much. It's how he flips them. That's what makes his stuff original and fresh.

And it's not just 'Ye that samples a whole lot. I can name a bunch of highly-touted beatsmiths that make their living from strictly sampling.





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big_j_gangsta wrote:

You keep bitchin' about how many times Kanye uses samples, raja? You've obviously forgotten about the muthafucka that made sampling an obsession in hip hop....................



Awwww indeed..........I forgot about P.Diddy but you know he barely makes music anymore.........But still either way
Kanyes first album 15 out 21 tracks sampled.........2nd album 17 out of 21(including bonus tracks) 3rd album 12 out of 13! This isn't originality this is copy and paste with a dash of seasoning.......and its something new? Its kinda like taking 5 day leftover meatloaf chopping it up and putting it in spaghetti.


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Marcell2aG wrote:

Not that anything is wrong with using them.

He can use however many he feels like it.

We're just saying that if he wants to truly be a unique and innovative producer, then that title requires that he makes some more of his own stuff.





crasyjak wrote:

did any one hear about Polow da Don using pre made beats to make Ushers "Love in the Club"?

so kid exposed him on youtube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2k3pv5sNEk





raja613 wrote:


crasyjak wrote:

did any one hear about Polow da Don using pre made beats to make Ushers "Love in the Club"?

so kid exposed him on youtube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2k3pv5sNEk


i knew that was pre-made I am not surprised at all.....because for one it sounded like a techno/trance song.......so I already knew it was made from pre made beats like everybody elses........there is no originality in Hip Hop anymore and because you don't know a song doesn't mean it wasn't made.............and Kanye barely pays for rights to the songs he samples...............he probably a person who searches out old songs just to sample them........pathetic.......





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raja613 wrote:


big_j_gangsta wrote:

You keep bitchin' about how many times Kanye uses samples, raja? You've obviously forgotten about the muthafucka that made sampling an obsession in hip hop....................



Awwww indeed..........I forgot about P.Diddy but you know he barely makes music anymore.........But still either way
Kanyes first album 15 out 21 tracks sampled.........2nd album 17 out of 21(including bonus tracks) 3rd album 12 out of 13! This isn't originality this is copy and paste with a dash of seasoning.......and its something new? Its kinda like taking 5 day leftover meatloaf chopping it up and putting it in spaghetti.


gross (at spaghetti idea). i know a couple people who actually do that, haha.





chewbooker wrote:

i just listened to pulling me back and I realized dupri sampled Rain by SWV (who sampled their beat from Jaco Pastorius' Portrait of Tracy) its a sample of a sample





crasyjak wrote:

SO do u think there should be a certain amount of time in between (say 5-10 yrs) between when the original song is made & when the sample is used????





raja613 wrote:


crasyjak wrote:

SO do u think there should be a certain amount of time in between (say 5-10 yrs) between when the original song is made & when the sample is used????


Noooooo! Thats not my point at all I could care less how old they are..........just don't say you're changing the game and being original..............





Marcell2aG wrote:

I'm kinda leaning towards Raja's side on this one.





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raja613 wrote:


crasyjak wrote:

SO do u think there should be a certain amount of time in between (say 5-10 yrs) between when the original song is made & when the sample is used????


Noooooo! Thats not my point at all I could care less how old they are..........just don't say you're changing the game and being original..............


but the fact of the matter is they are changin the game... its just i a way that full circle.
If Lil wayne started using a blend of Salsa beats w/ heavy baselines... the sound would be something new & different... not what the GENERAL hiphop audience is accustomed to hearing, not only from the specific artist, but from ALL artists in general.

ONCE the shit starts catchin on w/ other rappers THEN they Can say... that they changed the game... so yeah... Kanye has contributed to changing the producer aspect of hiphop... not only is he using the samples... but he is venturing out to fuck wit other genres more than most...





raja613 wrote:

So now rap is going to be about stealing samples or sounds from other genres and mixing it together and be considered original...........????? Hip Hop then will just be a conglomeration of musical genres meaning it has no specific sound if it can be confused with the genres that its "jazzing" up.................





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raja613 wrote:

So now rap is going to be about stealing samples or sounds from other genres and mixing it together and be considered original...........????? Hip Hop then will just be a conglomeration of musical genres meaning it has no specific sound if it can be confused with the genres that its "jazzing" up.................



well hip hop has been that way for a while now.... ppl used to just hide the truth, but we've become more educated now & wackass ppl are getting exposed so.... i still dont see what the prob is w/ samples.... in 20-30 yrs someone will be sampling whats hot now...





Polaris7 wrote:

Big J has made a GOOD POINT! I mean you can't really do remixes anymore because Diddy maxed out their popularity before their time...at least I think that. Now all songs with just the instruments are remixed before the artist gets on the track, original or sampled. I mean remember this...2001.



AND he's planing on releasing vol. 2 this year. Remember all those remix albums from Destiny's Child to Jennifer Lopez, all those CDs were selling like hot cakes. I do like the sampling, but producers need to also have the talent to make their beats from scratch. Producers also need to stop making everything on the computer and use REAL ACTUAL INSTRUMENTS on their tracks. The last time I heard them were on Beyonce's B-DAY album.





Polaris7 wrote:

Not to mention that in the early days of Hip Hop, Rap songs were first sampled from rock music. I mean LL Cool J's early hits, RUN DMC, the list goes on. It been done since the beginning. However, I can see how at that time, producers didn't just sample their whole catalog, they had original beats that were just as good as the ones that they sample. I mean even Rock music has sampled music from Africa and didn't even know it. You all Queen's song, "We Will Rock You," beat actually came from a tribe, from Sub-Saharan Africa that's has been played traditionally for years and years before there was Rock and there was Queen.





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Polaris7 wrote:

Not to mention that in the early days of Hip Hop, Rap songs were first sampled from rock music. I mean LL Cool J's early hits, RUN DMC, the list goes on. It been done since the beginning. However, I can see how at that time, producers didn't just sample their whole catalog, they had original beats that were just as good as the ones that they sample. I mean even Rock music has sampled music from Africa and didn't even know it. You all Queen's song, "We Will Rock You," beat actually came from a tribe, from Sub-Saharan Africa that's has been played traditionally for years and years before there was Rock and there was Queen.


Good point.

Someone tried to tell me that Hip Hop wasn't original and that all it does it take old songs and remakes them.

I told him that rock is the exact same way, AND they do it verbatim.






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Marcell2aG wrote:


Polaris7 wrote:

Not to mention that in the early days of Hip Hop, Rap songs were first sampled from rock music. I mean LL Cool J's early hits, RUN DMC, the list goes on. It been done since the beginning. However, I can see how at that time, producers didn't just sample their whole catalog, they had original beats that were just as good as the ones that they sample. I mean even Rock music has sampled music from Africa and didn't even know it. You all Queen's song, "We Will Rock You," beat actually came from a tribe, from Sub-Saharan Africa that's has been played traditionally for years and years before there was Rock and there was Queen.


Good point.

Someone tried to tell me that Hip Hop wasn't original and that all it does it take old songs and remakes them.

I told him that rock is the exact same way, AND they do it verbatim.



I supprisingly learned this in my music class when a former student came in and showed us some stuff.


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DJ Deckstream. I always find myself listening to his choons on my iPod. He's compiled with Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, and many others. His beats have that chunky, funky, soulful sound. Plus he's Japanese.
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