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Posted Dec 11 2008
And you just realized this little fact ? Religion makes people mindless drones, uncapable of thinking for themselves anymore. So why is it a shock ?
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And you just realized this little fact ? Religion makes people mindless drones, uncapable of thinking for themselves anymore. So why is it a shock ?


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Allhailodin wrote:

And you just realized this little fact ? Religion makes people mindless drones, uncapable of thinking for themselves anymore. So why is it a shock ?


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Yea, you haven't noticed ? Religious people are mindless idiots, who never once question what they believe, if you actually though about what your church was telling you, you would find yourself questioning a lot of the shit they tell you.
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Posted Dec 13 2008
I would agree with that because people who follow that stuff without thinking for themselves dont expand their minds. You need to test stuff out for yourself and think about things.
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I would agree with that because people who follow that stuff without thinking for themselves dont expand their minds. You need to test stuff out for yourself and think about things.


'Good to see some one Firing up there synapses.
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Posted Dec 13 2008
The argument that religious people do not think for themselves is worthless. Let's see if you can figure out why, unless your biased opinion is clouding your logical thinking.
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Sorenku, you may be right in some way. Some religious people are intelligent, but Ive also met a lot that believe in A, B, C, etc. simply because thats how they were raised, or because their king, teacher, military, or w/e told them to. I only agree with the idea that it makes sense that people who follow religions are less intelligent on average. With average being the key word. Athiests and agnostics are probably more inteligent of average because they sit back and reject or question ideas that don't settle with them properly.
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Sorenku, you may be right in some way. Some religious people are intelligent, but Ive also met a lot that believe in A, B, C, etc. simply because thats how they were raised, or because their king, teacher, military, or w/e told them to. I only agree with the idea that it makes sense that people who follow religions are less intelligent on average. With average being the key word. Athiests and agnostics are probably more inteligent of average because they sit back and reject or question ideas that don't settle with them properly.


In the end, that comes down to individual intelligence. What if someone questions God and decides to become a scientist to prove evolution, but fails his Biology class? Or maybe he wants to show that God's laws are not universal by becoming a lawyer, but he flunks out of law school. Sure, he can question religion, in this case Christianity or Catholicism, but maybe he just doesn't have the intelligence or capacity to answer these questions.

Even if questioning teachings makes a person smarter, aren't there plenty of things to question that are unrelated to religion? A Christian might have the same chances as an atheist in studying math since it is not very relevent to the things of God. A Buddhist could enjoy computer science just as much as an angostic and not feel hindered by his belief in Buddha to become a software developer. Maybe a Catholic is interested in space exploration and decides to become a rocket scientist so he can study the planets in more detail, despite beliving that God created the universe. You don't have to specifically question religion to exercise your critical and logical thinking skills.
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Posted Dec 14 2008
Isn't it obvious?
And yay, my country is on a good list, for once (norway)
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Posted Dec 14 2008

Well, I will have to agree with you there. Only fools would turn off their brain for a non-existent being
I never turned my brain off for god!.........then again mabey thats why im starting to belive hes not real Image
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um...what does correlation and causation mean? Image
And im afraid i still dont see the possible reasons of religion in connection to intelligence. Ignorance is present without the need of religion. I didnt ignore anything, but ignoring stuff is present without the help of religion. And there are people who are both religious and intelligent. Are you really going to say people are intelligent despite religion?peace over war Image


You might want to look at this to understand of correlation and causation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Correlation is not causation but it sure is a hint.

For a simple exaggerated example of what i meant that you provided an example of a possible cause.
Child A: The data here shows that we have the same ancestor as monkeys millions of years ago
Child B: That data is wrong, we should not investigate it. God is the creator of man, we should not delve into secrets we were not meant to know.
Child A: Eh, ok. I have a green marble here.
Child B: Oooohh, green marbles are so prrretty.

Child A: The data here shows that we have the same ancestor as monkeys millions of years ago.
Child B: What? Thats incredible. Is it real or did someone fake the thing?
Child A: Well, my dad told me that findings like this gets published and any other scientist is free to take a whack at it to prove it wrong. The articles says that the some people at Harvard and some Insitute in switzerland ran their own tests and confirmed it
Child B: Wow, thats like incredible. I'll go look at the internet to find out more.

As for your statement "And there are people who are both religious and intelligent. Are you really going to say people are intelligent despite religion?", you did not really think about what the video was saying did you? Part of the study used nobel winners in science and found that they are of a high majority, non religious. Are there religious nobel winners? Sure, because it states ~90% not 100%. I don't have to know anything about you but the following statements would have a 99.99% chance of being true.
i) Are you be as tall as Yao Ming? Sure you COULD be, but your are UNLIKELY to be as tall as Yao Ming.
ii) Are you as fast as Usain Bolt? Sure you COULD be, but you're UNLIKELY to be.
iii) Are you as good at F1 racing as Lewis Hamilton? Sure you COULD be, but you are UNLIKELY to be.

Are there people as tall as Yao Ming? Sure Yao Ming is as tall as himself.
Are there people as fast as Usain Bolt? Sure, Usain Bolt is as fast as himself
You should get the idea now.


i see what you are saying and i understand it, but such studies become completely pointless in a religious and a scientific sense.
Your example, even though exaggerated, doesnt show any signs of intelligence. One kid decides to research what he heard, another kid decides he doesnt need/want to. The same could be said about a lot of kids in certain countries.Refusing to research something as nothing to do with intelligence. Intelligence deals with the ability to retain/learn the results of your research.If you dont research it, the study cant apply to do.And if you dont have any practicle way to research it (countries/villiages without internet/technonlogy) the same could reply to them. So overall, such a study cant be all that relatable to real life.Much more studying is needed to attempt to prove religion makes people stupid, but in the end you will see that intelligence is more of an individual aspect rather then a religious one.plz provide more examples of these so called "possibilities" if you can. I am curious to see the connection between religion and intelligence, because i am still ignorant to that possibility.
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Well, I will have to agree with you there. Only fools would turn off their brain for a non-existent being
I never turned my brain off for god!.........then again mabey thats why im starting to belive hes not real :P


Well most religious people turned their brain off for god, just look at all the christains in america. look at the shit thet believe and how stupid they are.
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Posted Dec 14 2008

Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:

And you just realized this little fact ? Religion makes people mindless drones, uncapable of thinking for themselves anymore. So why is it a shock ?


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Yea, you haven't noticed ? Religious people are mindless idiots, who never once question what they believe, if you actually though about what your church was telling you, you would find yourself questioning a lot of the shit they tell you.


and you can prove this how? or should i bother wasteing my time argueing with an idiot? Image as if you know what a church tells thier congregation. peace over war Image
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Posted Dec 14 2008

Allhailodin wrote:


mac-e-o wrote:


Well, I will have to agree with you there. Only fools would turn off their brain for a non-existent being
I never turned my brain off for god!.........then again mabey thats why im starting to belive hes not real :P


Well most religious people turned their brain off for god, just look at all the christains in america. look at the shit thet believe and how stupid they are.


...how do you turn your brain off? if you did that you would die...have you even met all the Christians in America? And could that statement very well describe all of America? never argue absolutes. peace over war Image
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