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threnagyn wrote:
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At the end of the day, this entire discussion revolves solely around one persons unsubstantiated opinion. No one carried out a survey (correct me if I'm wrong) to test this postulate.
Essentially we are just throwing our views on each other with the only form of substantiation as our, possibly, warped sense of life.
What's the point of it all?
Yes, many surveys have been carried out. If you search IQ vs religion or Intelligence and religiosity on google you will find many studies.
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/jesus/intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm
http://www.halfsigma.com/2006/06/religious_peopl.html
Wikipedia is usually a good source (it wasn't b4, but now thats changed).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
Scroll down to studies religious belief and I.Q.
Again, please do now confuse religion with the belief of a higher power. I cannot stand when ignorant people call me an athiest because I do not follow a religion and even though I say this, I know someone will.
This forum specifically addresses this topic, if you come in here posting about people throwing views at each other, you shouldnt have come in here. The topic is not, "Say what you believe in and we will all get along!". It clearly states what we are going to talk about, so if that bothers you don't post something stupid.
You're an ignoramus. Read my post again, slowly. Try not to allow emotions to cloud your mind.
I neither insinuated nor implied any of the any of the things you wrote above. What are talking about?
However checked out the info on the controversially questionable wiki:
Studies comparing religious belief and I.Q.
In 2008, controversial intelligence researcher Helmuth Nyborg examined whether IQ relates to denomination and income, using representative data from the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious belief. His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence demonstrated that on average, Atheists scored 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions. [6] "I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber. My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are certain, while people with a high intelligence are more skeptical," says the professor.
Essentially, he postulates, that there is a direct relationship between IQ and faith.
Fact that he was described as been controversial, does however evoke some amount of doubt about the credibility of his study.
None the less a vast majority of all studies I observed carried out by eminent researches shows that people with lower IQ are more inclined to religion.
This ought to settle every thing. Throwing unsubstantiated claims around achieves little, except when it comes to the profligacy of time.
Ok IDK what you are talking about. I did not criticize you in any way. Try not to let emotions cloud my mind? Your post said that you never heard of a survey ("correct me if Im wrong") and I basically said "here are the surveys". I don't see what you misunderstood, or why I am an "ignoramus" for that. The last comments were made to other people in the forum,I thought that was obvious.
My bad, thought you were referring to me.
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Humans are mostly intelligent regardless of their beliefs but for most situations they would be inclined not to be too individualistic in their chosen lifestyle. Atheism requires a certain level of individualism which is hard to attain in religious society. Although it might be true that the EU citizens are turning to atheism, it doesn't mean that because of atheism they are supremely intelligent, well advanced etc. All it means is that when there is a high standard of living is established in a country, the citizens are inclined to shed the dysfunctional belief systems because they are no longer needed.
To make it brief, atheism is not related to intelligence, but individualism.
It is extremely hard to prove that intelligence is related to a lack of belief system, one would need to be able eliminate many complicated factor before arriving at that sort of conclusion.
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I'm atheist and an idiot, so I guess it's not true.
'your 14 right? so what makes you think your an Idiot little girl?'
Well, if grades are any signal...
In school back in the day I say about 13 years ago, I was about a c- to D student.
After I got out of school and was free to learn my way I took test to get into military, and into collage.
Both I was ranked very high. Now this old d student! Is now working on my 8th year of learning Metallurgy. (That is the science of metals structures, and the study of creating new forms of metals. )
People have there own way of learning its up to you to find out what works for you. Hell I have met a few great minds that are scientest, that had trouble in high school, because they did not learn the way the teacher was teaching.
I am a hands on person, I can't take notes, and I can't stand listening to lectures, I learn best by trial and error.
So its lab time that I master my skills in. Lucky for me this educator i have realizes that everyone has there own way of learning and lets us explore things in are own ways.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
sillysia63377 wrote:
Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
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I'm atheist and an idiot, so I guess it's not true.
'your 14 right? so what makes you think your an Idiot little girl?'
Well, if grades are any signal...
In school back in the day I say about 13 years ago, I was about a c- to D student.
After I got out of school and was free to learn my way I took test to get into military, and into collage.
Both I was ranked very high. Now this old d student! Is now working on my 8th year of learning Metallurgy. (That is the science of metals structures, and the study of creating new forms of metals. )
People have there own way of learning its up to you to find out what works for you. Hell I have met a few great minds that are scientest, that had trouble in high school, because they did not learn the way the teacher was teaching.
I am a hands on person, I can't take notes, and I can't stand listening to lectures, I learn best by trial and error.
So its lab time that I master my skills in. Lucky for me this educator i have realizes that everyone has there own way of learning and lets us explore things in are own ways.
Lol, well I hope that happens to me, too.
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One reason could be that non religious people are more open minded than the religious ones. When you believe in something, you reject everything else. Some of the people at my church are very God-believing, so it's hard to have a conversation with them.
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well, i guess that makes sense that non-religious people are smarter because i think they can open up to new ideas,
religious people base EVERYTHING on religion, when barely anything important is about religion. like if we didnt invent medicines and instead prayed to god to be healed, that would not work (most of the time)
we have to help ourselves and stop depending on god so much
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my religion tells me to look for the sciene and the knowledge....
does that makes me more stupid that anyone else..
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Aren't most/all scientist atheist?
I don't think religion has anything to do with the intelligence of a person. I really believe that most of them take the old testament too literal into thinking that all really happened. I only believe in the new testament.
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Mhm. How was intelligence gauged?
Also, this study fails to account history.
Leonardo Da Vinci, Pasteur, Mendel, Kepler, Washington Carver, Joule, and scores of others were all religious men. Heck, they were devout. Were these men, less intelligent?
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Mhm. How was intelligence gauged?
Also, this study fails to account history.
Leonardo Da Vinci, Pasteur, Mendel, Kepler, Washington Carver, Joule, and scores of others were all religious men. Heck, they were devout. Were these men, less intelligent?
(shakes my head with very sad expression on my face.)
Its a study showing that In todays world. A modern world, that 85% of the greatest minds are indeed atheist nothing more. Whats so hard to understand about that?
Was indeed a catholic in a time where if your an atheist you have been burned alive by the church. "Mr. Leonardo known to always put philosophy above Christianity," So in other words he was not a deeply religious man, he was mostly just born into it.
(I had to make a comment about him do to he is one of my most loved artist. )
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*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.
lol i have to agree with this statement
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
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Mhm. How was intelligence gauged?
Also, this study fails to account history.
Leonardo Da Vinci, Pasteur, Mendel, Kepler, Washington Carver, Joule, and scores of others were all religious men. Heck, they were devout. Were these men, less intelligent?
(shakes my head with very sad expression on my face.)
Its a study showing that In todays world. A modern world, that 85% of the greatest minds are indeed atheist nothing more. Whats so hard to understand about that?
Was indeed a catholic in a time where if your an atheist you have been burned alive by the church. "Mr. Leonardo known to always put philosophy above Christianity," So in other words he was not a deeply religious man, he was mostly just born into it.
(I had to make a comment about him do to he is one of my most loved artist. )
Do you think in matters of philosophy only that people who disregard religion are smarter? Can you be religous and still be philosophical?
I can agree more with you that religion holds us back socially and scientifically. There are many things religion likes to remind us that they have conquered or created......Christianity believes they brought order to the heathen western world, while a logical mind thinks, you killed them off and laid waste to their lands. I believe religion blocks us from advancing especially in terms of government. But to live by only as a moral code/laws to act a certain way towards people. there can be no harm done.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
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Mhm. How was intelligence gauged?
Also, this study fails to account history.
Leonardo Da Vinci, Pasteur, Mendel, Kepler, Washington Carver, Joule, and scores of others were all religious men. Heck, they were devout. Were these men, less intelligent?
(shakes my head with very sad expression on my face.)
Its a study showing that In todays world. A modern world, that 85% of the greatest minds are indeed atheist nothing more. Whats so hard to understand about that?
Was indeed a catholic in a time where if your an atheist you have been burned alive by the church. "Mr. Leonardo known to always put philosophy above Christianity," So in other words he was not a deeply religious man, he was mostly just born into it.
(I had to make a comment about him do to he is one of my most loved artist. )
Okay. So your hypothesis is that Christians can be smart, but not in a Modern world. Despite the fact that the men I mentioned above helped lay the framework for all modern studies?
Is it maybe, just maybe possible to you that instead of 85% of Atheists being smarter than Christians and other religions but maybe Atheists just push all religions out of science? Maybe they control the scientific sphere and do not allow secondary views? Isn't that, afterall, what the entire argument of Evolution is about? One scientific view dominating all others?
The fact that you are saying in a Modern World Christians can't think but they did in previous times is absolutely ludicrous. Also unfathomable is the fact that you feel the need to defend Leonardo Da Vinci. Can't you enjoy his artistic works and admit he was a Christian? You defend it as if it's bad to be one. Such bigoted thinking. Alas, nothing we can do with you.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
quater wrote:
Mhm. How was intelligence gauged?
Also, this study fails to account history.
Leonardo Da Vinci, Pasteur, Mendel, Kepler, Washington Carver, Joule, and scores of others were all religious men. Heck, they were devout. Were these men, less intelligent?
(shakes my head with very sad expression on my face.)
Its a study showing that In todays world. A modern world, that 85% of the greatest minds are indeed atheist nothing more. Whats so hard to understand about that?
Was indeed a catholic in a time where if your an atheist you have been burned alive by the church. "Mr. Leonardo known to always put philosophy above Christianity," So in other words he was not a deeply religious man, he was mostly just born into it.
(I had to make a comment about him do to he is one of my most loved artist. )
Funny how biased you sound, with all due respect. First off all, religion is only for the moral good as the Old testament was never meant to be something that actually happened. It was only for the moral good and for some education in certain bio studies such as how animals evolve along with humans. Yes, evolution was brought up in the bible.
Second, you bring up the source that 85% of high caliber scientist are atheist. So what? You know how much this world is populated? What about the other 15%? What if those religious scientist are brighter? Again, a biased source.
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Narc_7 wrote:
At the end of the day, this entire discussion revolves solely around one persons unsubstantiated opinion. No one carried out a survey (correct me if I'm wrong) to test this postulate.
Essentially we are just throwing our views on each other with the only form of substantiation as our, possibly, warped sense of life.
What's the point of it all?
You're definitely right about that.
No disrespect to the starter of the thread, but this is just another Athiest VS Religious thread started by another extremist.
Anyone with common sense should know that religiousness and intelligence are two different things that have no effect on one another.
This is no better than the "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL" type threads.
This is why we need more tolerance in the world.
The immature bullshit continues. -_-
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