Please elaborate your point...the two groups are in the same Religion. I don't want to sound as if I'm condemning your opinion as "WRONG" but please elaborate on your point more, i do understand where you're getting at. It's in the back of my head . Maybe answer how and why religion is still fueling it...don't be blunt and be obscure with your opinion because we are now back to where we started. Why did you brought up this Sunni vs Shia issue anyway? This is a quote from my previous post: "Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion..." I don't remember saying that there weren't wars that could be linked to religion in the past....

The Shia vs Sunni were separated because of differences in their beiliefs...it's like how Protestant broke away from Catholicism. The fightings aren't caused because they have different beliefs...it's about who is in power in their country and who is the minority. Not because they argue about who should be the right inheritor/imam/caliph in the Islamic world. They already know that they can never win in this argument. The killings is not more than political struggle...I hope you understand what I mean. Imagine the Shia and Sunni as Protestant and Catholics fighting for political power...in Christianity.(The Spotlight...lol)

Although it is true that people are "blinded" to their religion,I disagree that it poisons the mind.Most religions teaches us to do good and it has really improved many lives.But of course many religious conflicts have stemmed as a result. D:

Einstein was religious...
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No he was not.
'Einstein was a Agnostic, who found Christians to be a joke.

'Anyhow whats Einstein have to do with todays leading Scientist?'

(http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Albert_Einstein.html)
"Einstein was opposed to atheism"

The fact that he is one of the very few intelegent people to have walked on this Earth.
Also, Todays scientists still use his work...nothing special at all

Einstein denies the existence of an immortal soul. (SO he did not believe in a heaven or Hell!) (he also did not believe that Preying did anything.)

The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive. However, I am also not a "Freethinker" in the usual sense of the word because I find that this is in the main an attitude nourished exclusively by an opposition against naive superstition. My feeling is insofar religious as I am imbued with the consciousness of the insuffiency of the human mind to understand deeply the harmony of the Universe which we try to formulate as "laws of nature." It is this consciousness and humility I miss in the Freethinker mentality. Sincerely yours, Albert Einstein.
—Letter to A. Chapple, Australia, February 23, 1954; Einstein Archive 59-405; also quoted in Nathan and Norden, Einstein on Peace P. 510
You can take it how you want but in the end he admits that he not a atheist but in the same time he points out he does not believe in the Christians Ideals of a god as well.
He is a Agnostic who leans at some type of Creator (not a Christian God but some type of creator out there.)

'Still times have changed, Infermation has changed, Science has advanced. Do you still think Einstein would be a Agnostic who thinks there most likely some type of creator out there. Things Einstein failed to find the answers to have been found, the galaxies have better explanations now. (we understand the laws that he failed to find the meaning behind.)

One more time Albert Einstein admits to being a AGNOSTIC!

WHERE or HOW DOES JAINISM AND BUDDHISM FIT INTO THIS????

I think that the more educated someone is the more likely he is to feel self-sufficient and confident. This is not compatible with religions like Christianity, where one has to acknowledge his weakness and place himself in the guidance of his Creator.

If you are desperate and feel there is no one to turn to, you turn to God. Educated people are more wealthy and so are not in dire situations such as poor people. They may feel that they do not need His help

It is quite wrong to identify Einstein as being Christian religious, non-reiligious, or agnostic...he is not affiliated in Christian beliefs but he does believe in a sort of religious way.
From Leo89: http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Albert_Einstein.html

One of Einstein's most famous quotes on the subject of science and religion is: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

The simple appellation "agnostic" may not be entirely accurate, given his many expressions of belief in a Spinozan concept of Deity...most sources indicate that he clearly did not believe in a personal God, and that when he talked about God he was speaking in a more Spinozan sense, and was not speaking of a strictly Judeo-Christian Biblical conception of God. Einstein studied Spinoza and identified with Spinoza both culturally and philosophically. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in 'Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists.' This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: 'I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.' Einstein's famous epithet on the 'uncertainty principle' was 'God does not play dice.'" Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe.

Another quote from Einstein, dated 18 April 1955 (source: James B. Simpson, Simpson's Contemporary Quotations, Houghton Mifflin, 1988; URL: http://www.bartleby.com/63/11/4111.html; URL: http://bartleby.school.aol.com/63/12/4112.html):

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds.

That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God...

Einstein's speculation about religion had its roots in the pantheism of the Jewish philosopher Baruch Spinoza, who regarded the universe as a mixture of mind and matter-but not a Cartesian dualism. He identified the order of the universe with the will of its inherent God (so-called). Einstein admitted, "My conception of God is an emotional conviction of a superior intelligence manifest in the material world." In the spirit of Psalm 139 he regarded God as immanent-but not transcendent. He did not "believe in a God who cares for the well-being and the moral doings of human beings. "

In his Herbert Spencer Lecture at Oxford (1933) Einstein spoke of "something ineffable about the real, something occasionally described as myterious and awe-inspiring." The fact that the method of investigation turns out to be true in the empirical sense he regarded as "a property of our world, an empirical fact, a hard fact." This mystical attitude toward the harmony of universal law is what I call cosmotheism... Einstein himself called it cosmic religion. He insisted, "In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong to the ranks of devoutly religious men."

Though to be a crusade, it has to be and quote "to be officially considered a Crusade, it had to be sanctioned by the pope and conducted against groups seen as enemies of Christendom." ("Crusades Basics") Which is the reason where the religion aspect came from, as for the "revenge" part which is from the first crusade, which is not the best use of word, it is because the Muslims were being attacked simply because the pope decided to try and take back the "Holy Land" and sent in armies of men and even children to fight for it.

Anyway, I'm starting to think that we're kind of losing the point of this thread now... X)

I know eh? we should stop it at this....good talk

Religion does place lots of rules on you to the point that well it makes you more of a robot rather than human.

Even though you are given a choice in the end it's Follow the rules or go to hell. So that's pretty much all of it. No follow rules u die *sigh* Ain't that a b*tch?

Why is following rules a bad thing? The goverment has placed rules such as those that say that I can't drink and drive. Keeping people from running wild is not making them robots.

This is a much different topic your talking about now. We follow rules to please those around us. I guess in the end all we want is approval.

Well the whole robot comment...ummm i just couldn't come up with a better way of saying it at that moment so i just added that Gomen.