The red in this case would it not show that religion was indeed holding man kind back if that was the case? Because of religion that person was not able to reach his full potential once he was free of that crutch he was able to climb to new heights that is actually if WAS THE CASE would make the stats I places even more true.

I am not saying that people who are religious are stupid.
I am saying religion in it self holds humans back, from being able to find there full potential as intellectuals.
Its A crutch that in the end hinders on ones growth.

Opinion based? Those stats are facts, I did not place my opinion in the first post, all I added was do you think its true or not!

'Your a Hypocrite The only person Stereotyping here was you! "
'Lets hope that you do a lot of growing in the next 2 years in high school you have left.

'Atheist have faith in them selfs, they have faith in friends and family, what they do not have faith in is illogical things like tooth fairies, magical flying green pigs from mars, pixies, or Gods. No most of the religioun flock did not decided for them selfs to join in a religion. At a young age there told about a religion as if it was fact, before the kid can discern reality from fiction, than they tell them if you do not believe that there is a god, you will burn in hell for ever and ever and ever. Most people fear religion and thats why there religious. 'Tell me if you quit being a Christian you go to hell right? That I bet is the main factor you stick with religion the fear of hell. As illogical heaven and hell really is, you keep you mind shut off and keep from thinking about how laughable it really is.

Atheist are not forced into being atheist, we do not need to fear a hell if we do not wan't to be atheist. unlike relions your free to think and gather facts, without having to block out shit that may make god look fake.

Did you know you are now an actual example showing a possible cause why being religious and intelligence are correlated? Remarkable thing is i doubt you see why.

Klemooo3 is a known troll around these parts (extended discussion), he would go online and post short random comments on 5 or 6 topic threads at one go. He is not really worth getting all tizzy about, just ignore him.

On the issue of non-religious people are more likely intelligent that religious people, this is subjective isn't it. Not going against your past point or anything but regarding your past point of Norway being least religious, the result was taken from the Gallup poll 2005, wasn't it, if you have a link to that, please PM me the link. Much appreciated.

PS: I am pretty religious but i don't consider myself being intelligent at all, Intelligence is overrated. Knowledge is more important, One can be intelligent but neglect in searching for knowledge or truth. One can be dumb but choose to search for knowledge so as to better oneself and others.

fine, sorry for that comment.. but stats are also opinion base of people.. im in college already.. sorry i skipped two years in high school..

i understand what you're saying. but i hope you understand my point as well. it's not that non-religious people are more intelligent. they're just less restrained.

Edit: just to make it clear, i still don't believe that IQ has anything to do with religion. like i said, religious people are also capable of being rational, especially in matters that don't involve their religious beliefs (e.g. like analyzing and solving mathematical problems and the like, or comprehending a certain subject). in terms of intelligence, i think we are all fairly equal. we all just have our fields of expertise.
how far can intelligence be measured? your theory there can never give a fair estimate of anyone's intelligence. your stats doesn't prove anything. stop insisting that non-religious people are more intelligent. they may seem so, but like i said, intelligence is relative.

Your faith has nothing to do with your IQ. People are arguing why? because they just can't stand that a God exist in this world. They fear that their lives is in the hands of a powerful being feeling helpless and insecure. They feel that those who have faith ridiculous but when one says that they're forcing their beliefs on you, aren't you doing the same by starting up threads, telling the world of the bullshit that a religion spreads. You argue back insisting on your atheist thoughts, just accept that other people have the freedom to believe whatever they wish.

Conclusion, Men lift themselves high up, thinking that their actions are right and therefore think that other people's are not up to themselves.

Eh wrong, statistics are numbers representing something. As noted in the video, one of the studies was to take the number of nobel prize and other prestigious award winners to see if they are religious.

There is no "opinion" incurred in this case. You ask each such winner if he is religiously inclined, then place them into a column marking yes or no. You total up the numbers. There is no "opinion" involved, unless you feel that the person answering a question about his own beliefs involves the opinion of others other than said person.

Further on, it states that they take a number of such studies and check final the results. This serves as a check to see if the numbers are correct in the initial study.

Have you considered the reverse applies to yourself? Let me rephrase the sentence to fit you
"Conclusion, Men think so lowly of themselves, thinking that their actions must always make some sort of parental figure happy and therefore think that other people should be just like them."

If you feel studies (pural) made are wrong then by all means go and interview those nobel prize winners yourself. Studies are done to point out correlations that points out a direction for further work to find the actual causes. If such studies are worthless, then you should condemn those studies that pointed out a much higher incidence of cancer or lung disease in 9/11 rescue workers as worthless or even those researchers that linked a large number of early deaths and lung problems to asbestos mining towns.

Bill Nye got a bunch of God-fearing Texans angry by pointing out that the Moon reflects light from the Sun, because it says in the bible that the Moon makes it's own light, which is wrong.

You can't prove that!!! NO I CANT Hear you your telling Bullshit, Its all opinion! LOL... Like all science is to people is opinions from humans and thats it.

Of course. Non-Religious people are not bound by ridiculous laws like actually being able to think for themselves and grow into a more intelligent person. They are less likely to venture out and learn more things. Intelligence doesn't just have to do with Mathematical equations or solving word problems. We are not talking about school. We are talking real life here, kids. People who believe in god technically don't learn a thing on Sundays--seeing as they are not supposed to do anything exept for the worshipping of thier god. So see that takes oh around 42-ish days of learning a year that religious people don't get. Then of course some people even do it on Wednesdays.So let's make that 84 days a year.

But with that "tech" bit aside--Non-Religious people are not tied down by a god. Some people refuse to dissect an animal because of their religion. There is another example. Religion is a baracade of the mind. It was made up by adults way-back-when that didn't know what to say when thier kids asked where the earth came from.

I mean...seriously who in their right freakin mind would believe a 'virgin' got pregnant. Come on kids. Thats just not the way the system works.....And anyone who believes THAT is certainly not /that/ intelligent....

^ i see your point. but that doesn't concretely prove that intelligence has anything to do with religion/faith. there are people who have high IQ but adhere, nevertheless, to some religion. take for instance rene descartes. if you think he's not that intelligent, then i believe you must have a high opinion of your own intelligence to actually look down on his. another thing, how does one measure intelligence? i highly doubt any IQ test would ask anything about one's faith...or any subjective questions for that matter.

How come atheist join atheist organizations? I don't get it...what do they do there? Spread the joy and love of no God? Same shit as religion...