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Non-Religious people are more likely to be Intelligent than the religious.
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engros wrote:


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*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.


Although you maybe right, think about what will happen if people don't believe in a higher power...


people would cease hindering scientific discovery, 80% of all wars would be resolved?

if you cant live right, without the fear that your "boss" is gonna kick yer ass if you dont do good, you fail as a human being.



I'm too sleepy to do a lot of feedback so here's a little bit, majority of wars aren't all religious linked. Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion, even though terrorists are associated into a religious group and misuse their religion to enforce their beliefs and goals.

I'm talking about a divine power not my "boss". More importantly, science's goal is to explain things and to pursue discoveries that would benefit human life not to fulfill one's curiosity. If there is no religion, who is going to help the needy? The unprotected? The oppressed? Religion teaches co-existence and many more that helps humanity become rational thinkers...I don't believe in a god either, but I'm much more concerned about the teachings more than the fairytales


so yeah, those millions of years of religion fueled war between the saudis and shites, etc has nothing to do with anything right?

so what about hitler?

most wars can be traced back to religious origin.

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in case you didnt understand btw, science and religion go in 2 absolutely different directions. science is what can be proven, and in religion you just believe.

just cuz i believe im holding a cat doesnt mean i AM holding a cat.


Are you talking to me?


yeah that should have been an edit of my orig. post.
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tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:

*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.


Although you maybe right, think about what will happen if people don't believe in a higher power...


people would cease hindering scientific discovery, 80% of all wars would be resolved?

if you cant live right, without the fear that your "boss" is gonna kick yer ass if you dont do good, you fail as a human being.



I'm too sleepy to do a lot of feedback so here's a little bit, majority of wars aren't all religious linked. Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion, even though terrorists are associated into a religious group and misuse their religion to enforce their beliefs and goals.

I'm talking about a divine power not my "boss". More importantly, science's goal is to explain things and to pursue discoveries that would benefit human life not to fulfill one's curiosity. If there is no religion, who is going to help the needy? The unprotected? The oppressed? Religion teaches co-existence and many more that helps humanity become rational thinkers...I don't believe in a god either, but I'm much more concerned about the teachings more than the fairytales


so yeah, those millions of years of religion fueled war between the saudis and shites, etc has nothing to do with anything right?

so what about hitler?

most wars can be traced back to religious origin.



You are quite wrong about that. Those wars were fueled because of cultural differences not religion. They both abide towards Islam right???

If your talking about the Holocaust, then you are so wrong about Hitler's real motive in establishing the NAZI government and starting to colonize European territories. Remember, the Jewish killings were only part of Germany's way of cleansing their nation. They blamed a lot of people including the Jews about why their country has become bankrupt after WWI. Nobody even knew about the Jewish massacres until Germany was invaded by the Allied troops. Germany focused on returning the fatherland to its former state, a powerful army with a rich economy. Hitler blamed the Jews, the gays, and all minorities for dirtying Germany. He wanted an Aryan race ruled country because he believed they can run the country much more efficiently that the minorities. The war didn't start solely because Hitler hated the Jews. It was because he is taking too many territories that were not supposed to be controlled by Germany. The League of Nations was also to blame for fueling a big World War. They didn't do a thing in stopping Hitler. The war isn't about Christianity vs Judaism. The Jews were just taken on the way for Germany's global control.
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engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:

*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.


Although you maybe right, think about what will happen if people don't believe in a higher power...


people would cease hindering scientific discovery, 80% of all wars would be resolved?

if you cant live right, without the fear that your "boss" is gonna kick yer ass if you dont do good, you fail as a human being.



I'm too sleepy to do a lot of feedback so here's a little bit, majority of wars aren't all religious linked. Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion, even though terrorists are associated into a religious group and misuse their religion to enforce their beliefs and goals.

I'm talking about a divine power not my "boss". More importantly, science's goal is to explain things and to pursue discoveries that would benefit human life not to fulfill one's curiosity. If there is no religion, who is going to help the needy? The unprotected? The oppressed? Religion teaches co-existence and many more that helps humanity become rational thinkers...I don't believe in a god either, but I'm much more concerned about the teachings more than the fairytales


so yeah, those millions of years of religion fueled war between the saudis and shites, etc has nothing to do with anything right?

so what about hitler?

most wars can be traced back to religious origin.



You are quite wrong about that. Those wars were fueled because of cultural differences not religion. They both abide towards Islam right???

If your talking about the Holocaust, then you are so wrong about Hitler's real motive in establishing the NAZI government and starting to colonize European territories. Remember, the Jewish killings were only part of Germany's way of cleansing their nation. They blamed a lot of people including the Jews about why their country has become bankrupt after WWI. Nobody even knew about the Jewish massacres until Germany was invaded by the Allied troops. Germany focused on returning the fatherland to its former state, a powerful army with a rich economy. Hitler blamed the Jews, the gays, and all minorities for dirtying Germany. He wanted an Aryan race ruled country because he believed they can run the country much more efficiently that the minorities. The war didn't start solely because Hitler hated the Jews. It was because he is taking too many territories that were not supposed to be controlled by Germany. The League of Nations was also to blame for fueling a big World War. They didn't do a thing in stopping Hitler. The war isn't about Christianity vs Judaism. The Jews were just taken on the way for Germany's global control.


The war where Hitler had the backing of the Pope and the Church?
Scary to think america wen agents there religion in this war.

Yes they considered this war a holy war that is how he got the backing of most of his people.

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^_^ why not study the average ones? jejeje......

religious people chose the true knowledge and that begins with the fear in God..... the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.....

hey dark, you really love toying the believers .. lol....
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:

*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.


Although you maybe right, think about what will happen if people don't believe in a higher power...


people would cease hindering scientific discovery, 80% of all wars would be resolved?

if you cant live right, without the fear that your "boss" is gonna kick yer ass if you dont do good, you fail as a human being.



I'm too sleepy to do a lot of feedback so here's a little bit, majority of wars aren't all religious linked. Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion, even though terrorists are associated into a religious group and misuse their religion to enforce their beliefs and goals.

I'm talking about a divine power not my "boss". More importantly, science's goal is to explain things and to pursue discoveries that would benefit human life not to fulfill one's curiosity. If there is no religion, who is going to help the needy? The unprotected? The oppressed? Religion teaches co-existence and many more that helps humanity become rational thinkers...I don't believe in a god either, but I'm much more concerned about the teachings more than the fairytales


so yeah, those millions of years of religion fueled war between the saudis and shites, etc has nothing to do with anything right?

so what about hitler?

most wars can be traced back to religious origin.



You are quite wrong about that. Those wars were fueled because of cultural differences not religion. They both abide towards Islam right???

If your talking about the Holocaust, then you are so wrong about Hitler's real motive in establishing the NAZI government and starting to colonize European territories. Remember, the Jewish killings were only part of Germany's way of cleansing their nation. They blamed a lot of people including the Jews about why their country has become bankrupt after WWI. Nobody even knew about the Jewish massacres until Germany was invaded by the Allied troops. Germany focused on returning the fatherland to its former state, a powerful army with a rich economy. Hitler blamed the Jews, the gays, and all minorities for dirtying Germany. He wanted an Aryan race ruled country because he believed they can run the country much more efficiently that the minorities. The war didn't start solely because Hitler hated the Jews. It was because he is taking too many territories that were not supposed to be controlled by Germany. The League of Nations was also to blame for fueling a big World War. They didn't do a thing in stopping Hitler. The war isn't about Christianity vs Judaism. The Jews were just taken on the way for Germany's global control.


The war where Hitler had the backing of the Pope and the Church?
Scary to think america wen agents there religion in this war.

Yes they considered this war a holy war that is how he got the backing of most of his people.



That's a lot of bullshit..holy war..pope siding with Hitler...take history first before you even say anything. Go to this link to clarify this problem.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ct_churchandnazis.html

It wasn't a holy war, please do some further research before you post any claims.
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i know im smart!
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if there is a god, y dnt he show himself?
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Don't blame God or the religions for everything, they are just tools, the only ones creating war and destruction in the world are us HUMANS.
Nobody want to take the blame so they are using the bible or the coran to do whatever they want, but all they want is the power. In french we call it " se cacher derriere la bible"
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4EWyD34FxmI&feature=related

Non-Religious people are more likely to be Intelligent than the religious.

Only 7.0% of the science community is religious. Its been shown that A persons IQ has a lot to do with there religion.

Rational minds have little need for Gods.


Do you think thats true?
Why Or Why Not


It's correlation and not causation.
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engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:

*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.


Although you maybe right, think about what will happen if people don't believe in a higher power...


people would cease hindering scientific discovery, 80% of all wars would be resolved?

if you cant live right, without the fear that your "boss" is gonna kick yer ass if you dont do good, you fail as a human being.



I'm too sleepy to do a lot of feedback so here's a little bit, majority of wars aren't all religious linked. Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion, even though terrorists are associated into a religious group and misuse their religion to enforce their beliefs and goals.

I'm talking about a divine power not my "boss". More importantly, science's goal is to explain things and to pursue discoveries that would benefit human life not to fulfill one's curiosity. If there is no religion, who is going to help the needy? The unprotected? The oppressed? Religion teaches co-existence and many more that helps humanity become rational thinkers...I don't believe in a god either, but I'm much more concerned about the teachings more than the fairytales


so yeah, those millions of years of religion fueled war between the saudis and shites, etc has nothing to do with anything right?

so what about hitler?

most wars can be traced back to religious origin.



You are quite wrong about that. Those wars were fueled because of cultural differences not religion. They both abide towards Islam right???

If your talking about the Holocaust, then you are so wrong about Hitler's real motive in establishing the NAZI government and starting to colonize European territories. Remember, the Jewish killings were only part of Germany's way of cleansing their nation. They blamed a lot of people including the Jews about why their country has become bankrupt after WWI. Nobody even knew about the Jewish massacres until Germany was invaded by the Allied troops. Germany focused on returning the fatherland to its former state, a powerful army with a rich economy. Hitler blamed the Jews, the gays, and all minorities for dirtying Germany. He wanted an Aryan race ruled country because he believed they can run the country much more efficiently that the minorities. The war didn't start solely because Hitler hated the Jews. It was because he is taking too many territories that were not supposed to be controlled by Germany. The League of Nations was also to blame for fueling a big World War. They didn't do a thing in stopping Hitler. The war isn't about Christianity vs Judaism. The Jews were just taken on the way for Germany's global control.


no, they both are in different SECTS, so they fight cuz they both think each other are wrong.

and hitler was indeed a bad example but i was tired, forgive it. in any case my point was he wanted a pure race and what not but in retrospect that sucks, in regards to my argument.

disregard previous retarded statement.

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im not saying the idea of god is terrible (though the bible kinda makes him a dick.... you know with that whole, your my major follower, now go fuck up your kid with a bat, and pics or it didnt happen" thing) it was supposed to be a way to get people to do the right thing, i just think its outdated, and people twist it into what it shouldnt be, and make excuses.

slavery was excused by religion and the idea that they were "helping the niggers".

it was good in its prime, but now its dangerous. even though it was also pretty dangerous back then.

take for example islam. nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say "if you sacrifice yourself, you will go to heaven".

It never says to mortar yourself.

It says if you are fighting a religious battle, and you die in the fight, you will go to heaven. they twisted it allll up and said, well, running into the battlefield as a mortar == diying in battle, so therefore you will go to heaven.
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engros wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:


engros wrote:


tsumiro wrote:

*sigh* religion holds us back as an entire species. many scientists (galileo, etc) tossed away ideas because of this imaginary "god" person. also many were forced to do so. "god" is not real, never has been. "HE" WAS MADE UP BY PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS OF "HIS" EXISTANCE.


Although you maybe right, think about what will happen if people don't believe in a higher power...


people would cease hindering scientific discovery, 80% of all wars would be resolved?

if you cant live right, without the fear that your "boss" is gonna kick yer ass if you dont do good, you fail as a human being.



I'm too sleepy to do a lot of feedback so here's a little bit, majority of wars aren't all religious linked. Wars will always happen as long as there's argument in any group. Wars happening now is not caused by religion, even though terrorists are associated into a religious group and misuse their religion to enforce their beliefs and goals.

I'm talking about a divine power not my "boss". More importantly, science's goal is to explain things and to pursue discoveries that would benefit human life not to fulfill one's curiosity. If there is no religion, who is going to help the needy? The unprotected? The oppressed? Religion teaches co-existence and many more that helps humanity become rational thinkers...I don't believe in a god either, but I'm much more concerned about the teachings more than the fairytales


so yeah, those millions of years of religion fueled war between the saudis and shites, etc has nothing to do with anything right?

so what about hitler?

most wars can be traced back to religious origin.



You are quite wrong about that. Those wars were fueled because of cultural differences not religion. They both abide towards Islam right???

If your talking about the Holocaust, then you are so wrong about Hitler's real motive in establishing the NAZI government and starting to colonize European territories. Remember, the Jewish killings were only part of Germany's way of cleansing their nation. They blamed a lot of people including the Jews about why their country has become bankrupt after WWI. Nobody even knew about the Jewish massacres until Germany was invaded by the Allied troops. Germany focused on returning the fatherland to its former state, a powerful army with a rich economy. Hitler blamed the Jews, the gays, and all minorities for dirtying Germany. He wanted an Aryan race ruled country because he believed they can run the country much more efficiently that the minorities. The war didn't start solely because Hitler hated the Jews. It was because he is taking too many territories that were not supposed to be controlled by Germany. The League of Nations was also to blame for fueling a big World War. They didn't do a thing in stopping Hitler. The war isn't about Christianity vs Judaism. The Jews were just taken on the way for Germany's global control.


The war where Hitler had the backing of the Pope and the Church?
Scary to think america wen agents there religion in this war.

Yes they considered this war a holy war that is how he got the backing of most of his people.



That's a lot of bullshit..holy war..pope siding with Hitler...take history first before you even say anything. Go to this link to clarify this problem.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ct_churchandnazis.html

It wasn't a holy war, please do some further research before you post any claims.


twas a war hiding behind a religious veil.

*read previous posts.

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Yeah defenetly

god is fiction,
all the religion is a really crappy fairy tale with angles and who knows what shit,
i know alot of old people turn to religion beacuse their afraid, to die
so its pretty much means for lieing to yourself and hiding from the hash reality thats out here...nothing more

btw even pokemon is more real than the beffing bible


for all you belivers i quote some random guy
"Jesus Christ was a "Character" that was CREATED at the Nicean Council in 325 A.D., when Emperor Constantine changed the name of the Serapis Christus image, (which was an image early christians worshipped & was made in honor of Ptolemy I) to Jesus Christus.

In FACT, there's NOT ONE MENTION by any king, queen, historian, philosopher, scribe, etc., of ANYONE named Jesus for the 1st 3 centuries of mankind! "
and thats a fact :d

just want to add that religion is only means for mass control and brainwashing, thats pretty much its all about

also in WW2 Hitler was originally supported by US goverment
it had nothing to do with religion, only economics and power

and for last thing....F|_|CK JEWS!

there never were no jew killing camps thats made up and people who proved that were thrown in prison, that even happened few years ago.. again
so fuck the united states of jews

ps! i might be a racist, but not like i care :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KquQWrqO-0
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


madlibbs wrote:

1. I do not know any Nobel prize winners or MENSA members personally, and therefore do not know anything about the reasoning behind their religious beliefs, nor do I know how reliable the surveys were that were utilized, so I will withhold judgment in that particular area. Do you have any websites or other sources that support your claim?
2. My experience (with fairly average people) has been that religion and IQ do not correlate unless you take into account the degree of extremism associated with each person's religious beliefs.
3. You know, you're just as bad as religious extremists in the sense that you try to force your beliefs onto others.


Survey answers among "greater" scientists
%
NAS
members 7%
21%
72%
belief in God agnostic atheists
Belief in personal God 1998
Personal belief 7.0 %
Personal disbelief 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.8
Belief in human immortality 1998
Personal belief 7.9 %
Personal disbelief 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 23.3


Perhaps I should've been more specific. Where exactly are you getting these statistics?
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