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The Beginning Of The End For Virtual Child Pronography
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Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08
IIRC a similar bill is currently "under study" in Japan within a 3-year period. Japan sure does love her lolis.
Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08

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Depictions, fictional or real, in the form of pictures, drawings or even just writings, of individuals under 18 in sexual situations are already illegal in Canada, unless they have scientific value, artistic merit, are family photos, are private works of the imagination created exclusively for oneself, or are created by a married teenage couple for their own private use.

The Canadian Criminal Code defines Child Pornography as "visual representations that show a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity and visual representations, the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years." and also includes "visual representations and written material that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under the Code"

The Supreme court ruled in the case R v. Sharpe, that "person" includes imaginary or visual children, as well as actual children.

So....... technically, your loli anime kiddy porn is illegal, and can get you jail time for posession.

EDIT:
If you're Canadian.


*looks up own birth certificate*: DAMN!

Oh well, time to train myself to think like an artist. Come on Standford, don't fail me now(http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/art-definition/):


4. Contemporary Definitions

Definitions of art attempt to make sense of two different sorts of facts: art has important historically contingent cultural features, and it also, arguably, has trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic core. (Theorists who regard art as an invention of eighteenth-century Europe will, of course, regard this way of putting the matter as tendentious, on the grounds that entities produced outside that culturally distinctive institution do not fall under the extension of “art” and hence are irrelevant to the art-defining project. (Shiner 2001) Whether the concept of art is precise enough to justify this much confidence about what falls under its extension claim is unclear.) Conventionalist definitions take art's cultural features to be explanatorily fundamental, and attempt to capture the phenomena —revolutionary modern art, the traditional close connection of art with the aesthetic, the possibility of autonomous art traditions, etc. — in social/historical terms. Non-conventionalist or “functionalist” definitions reverse this explanatory order, taking a concept like the aesthetic (or some allied concept like the formal, or the expressive) as basic, and aim to account for the phenomena by working that concept harder, perhaps extending it to non-perceptual properties.

So in another word, if one can clearly prove virtual child pornography being a modern art with trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aesthetic) core, then it can be seen as an artistic merit in Canada. THANK YOU BRAIN!
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So basicly im asking is tat if the research seems to prove tat is wrong to have child porn on mangas or anime and then a law will be made to have restrictions from now on is that wat im getting......rite?
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I can't say I haven't fapped to a few lolis in my time on the internet, but I think that Child Pornography, in its pure forms, is wrong. In its creation, permanent scars are created on the child's psyche, and turn an otherwise productive member of society into a socially crippled person for the sake of some pedophile's enjoyment.

Unfortunately, these thoughts which provoke the creation of child pornography will continue to exist in society, because they have been around forever, and there's no stopping the human mind. I think that loli-style art, being entirely sprung from the imagination rather than from a real-life object, is a perfectly clean outlet for these thoughts. Should lolis be explicit? Sure! Anything of sexual nature is explicit! Should they be illegal? No, you can't contain these thoughts, so don't try to stop it. Our prisons are too full already from drug crimes, and this would be yet another heavy addition to such restrictions.

Let us have our minds about us.
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DomFortress wrote:


metalduck wrote:

Depictions, fictional or real, in the form of pictures, drawings or even just writings, of individuals under 18 in sexual situations are already illegal in Canada, unless they have scientific value, artistic merit, are family photos, are private works of the imagination created exclusively for oneself, or are created by a married teenage couple for their own private use.

The Canadian Criminal Code defines Child Pornography as "visual representations that show a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity and visual representations, the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years." and also includes "visual representations and written material that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under the Code"

The Supreme court ruled in the case R v. Sharpe, that "person" includes imaginary or visual children, as well as actual children.

So....... technically, your loli anime kiddy porn is illegal, and can get you jail time for posession.

EDIT:
If you're Canadian.


*looks up own birth certificate*: DAMN!

Oh well, time to train myself to think like an artist. Come on Standford, don't fail me now(http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/art-definition/):


4. Contemporary Definitions

Definitions of art attempt to make sense of two different sorts of facts: art has important historically contingent cultural features, and it also, arguably, has trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic core. (Theorists who regard art as an invention of eighteenth-century Europe will, of course, regard this way of putting the matter as tendentious, on the grounds that entities produced outside that culturally distinctive institution do not fall under the extension of “art” and hence are irrelevant to the art-defining project. (Shiner 2001) Whether the concept of art is precise enough to justify this much confidence about what falls under its extension claim is unclear.) Conventionalist definitions take art's cultural features to be explanatorily fundamental, and attempt to capture the phenomena —revolutionary modern art, the traditional close connection of art with the aesthetic, the possibility of autonomous art traditions, etc. — in social/historical terms. Non-conventionalist or “functionalist” definitions reverse this explanatory order, taking a concept like the aesthetic (or some allied concept like the formal, or the expressive) as basic, and aim to account for the phenomena by working that concept harder, perhaps extending it to non-perceptual properties.

So in another word, if one can clearly prove virtual child pornography being a modern art with trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aesthetic) core, then it can be seen as an artistic merit in Canada. THANK YOU BRAIN!


Ahaha.. Canadian hi-five!
Posted 11/30/08

metalduck wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


metalduck wrote:

Depictions, fictional or real, in the form of pictures, drawings or even just writings, of individuals under 18 in sexual situations are already illegal in Canada, unless they have scientific value, artistic merit, are family photos, are private works of the imagination created exclusively for oneself, or are created by a married teenage couple for their own private use.

The Canadian Criminal Code defines Child Pornography as "visual representations that show a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity and visual representations, the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years." and also includes "visual representations and written material that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under the Code"

The Supreme court ruled in the case R v. Sharpe, that "person" includes imaginary or visual children, as well as actual children.

So....... technically, your loli anime kiddy porn is illegal, and can get you jail time for posession.

EDIT:
If you're Canadian.


*looks up own birth certificate*: DAMN!

Oh well, time to train myself to think like an artist. Come on Standford, don't fail me now(http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/art-definition/):


4. Contemporary Definitions

Definitions of art attempt to make sense of two different sorts of facts: art has important historically contingent cultural features, and it also, arguably, has trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic core. (Theorists who regard art as an invention of eighteenth-century Europe will, of course, regard this way of putting the matter as tendentious, on the grounds that entities produced outside that culturally distinctive institution do not fall under the extension of “art” and hence are irrelevant to the art-defining project. (Shiner 2001) Whether the concept of art is precise enough to justify this much confidence about what falls under its extension claim is unclear.) Conventionalist definitions take art's cultural features to be explanatorily fundamental, and attempt to capture the phenomena —revolutionary modern art, the traditional close connection of art with the aesthetic, the possibility of autonomous art traditions, etc. — in social/historical terms. Non-conventionalist or “functionalist” definitions reverse this explanatory order, taking a concept like the aesthetic (or some allied concept like the formal, or the expressive) as basic, and aim to account for the phenomena by working that concept harder, perhaps extending it to non-perceptual properties.

So in another word, if one can clearly prove virtual child pornography being a modern art with trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aesthetic) core, then it can be seen as an artistic merit in Canada. THANK YOU BRAIN!


Ahaha.. Canadian hi-five!


Don't leave me hanging now.. GIVE IT UP!
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why cant they leave it alone as long as it does not hurt real peopel
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lol i bet the u.s didn't expect japan to have DRAWN child porn...they underestimate the crazy fetishes of japan
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wow. :O no more child porn. yay.
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metalduck wrote:

Depictions, fictional or real, in the form of pictures, drawings or even just writings, of individuals under 18 in sexual situations are already illegal in Canada, unless they have scientific value, artistic merit, are family photos, are private works of the imagination created exclusively for oneself, or are created by a married teenage couple for their own private use.

The Canadian Criminal Code defines Child Pornography as "visual representations that show a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity and visual representations, the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years." and also includes "visual representations and written material that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under the Code"

The Supreme court ruled in the case R v. Sharpe, that "person" includes imaginary or visual children, as well as actual children.

So....... technically, your loli anime kiddy porn is illegal, and can get you jail time for posession.

EDIT:
If you're Canadian.


Uhhh..... forgot my nationality for a second there, so I guess a ban really has no effect on me but I still disagree with the ban on hentai in our country. I have seen two of the titles banned here( Cool devices,and Words Worth) and did not really see why they were banned.But thanks for the reminder.
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sumomomomomomofan wrote:

why cant they leave it alone as long as it does not hurt real peopel


Because it's sick and wrong... and it DOES hurt real people, by corrupting children's minds, getting hentai junkies addicted, and putting said junkies onto a slippery slope of sleaziness and real kiddy porno. While not everyone turns into a pedo, the ones that do are worth stopping.
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Has vertual Child porn ever hurt anyone. Dont think so. And i doubt that i will be sent to jail while i live in Norway.
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Brillient now these non-existant girls are freed from these sexual acts that don't really happen!

The world is becoming a safer place!

Now we just need to crack down on those non-existant murders, drug abusers and over non-existant criminals.

Btw. Doesn't age of consent vary between countrys and even between american states?
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no more loli/lolicon? no more kodomo no jikan? child pornography is wrong in the real world but imo what is so wrong about it in anime/manga.

Rofl.. edit for a super typo
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Guys, seriously. AOL Gestapo is everywhere. You don't want to wake up hanging upside down with your intestines on the outside, crows picking at it, and in a roomful of starving pigs.
Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08

Sade612 wrote:

I can't say I haven't fapped to a few lolis in my time on the internet, but I think that Child Pornography, in its pure forms, is wrong. In its creation, permanent scars are created on the child's psyche, and turn an otherwise productive member of society into a socially crippled person for the sake of some pedophile's enjoyment.

Unfortunately, these thoughts which provoke the creation of child pornography will continue to exist in society, because they have been around forever, and there's no stopping the human mind. I think that loli-style art, being entirely sprung from the imagination rather than from a real-life object, is a perfectly clean outlet for these thoughts. Should lolis be explicit? Sure! Anything of sexual nature is explicit! Should they be illegal? No, you can't contain these thoughts, so don't try to stop it. Our prisons are too full already from drug crimes, and this would be yet another heavy addition to such restrictions.

Let us have our minds about us.


metalduck wrote:


sumomomomomomofan wrote:

why cant they leave it alone as long as it does not hurt real peopel


Because it's sick and wrong... and it DOES hurt real people, by corrupting children's minds, getting hentai junkies addicted, and putting said junkies onto a slippery slope of sleaziness and real kiddy porno. While not everyone turns into a pedo, the ones that do are worth stopping.


There are those who lack the moral guidance that prevents them from crossing their fetish fantasies into our reality, and are doing so against the consents of modern day society while violating the rights of other people. It is those criminals that's what needs to be stopped, not banning the freedom of expression through modern arts.
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