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The Beginning Of The End For Virtual Child Pronography
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it wouldnt effect me personally, but some people like that stuff. i don't see a problem with it since it "virtual". ya know, not real.
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lolicons and shotacons arent so wrong there just animated characters ...

ITS THE REAL STUFF THAT'S WRONG!!!!
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The reason that government has outlawed child pornography is to protect minors from child molestation and in correlation to this; Hasn't it been proven that pornography has significantly reduced amount of rapes? So wouldn't child pornography have the same effect of legal pornography and isn't that what the law was made for? To reduce the amount of child molestation? Whether it may or may not have the same effect as real pornography is irrelevant to the fact that it is ethically and morally repugnant and in order to create such images, real children were raped, assaulted, and psychologically scarred forever in its production. Although lolicon is just as ethically and morally repugnant, it isn't jeopardizing the psychological welfare of a minor. If all said is true than wouldn't lolicon significantly lower child molestation and at the same time not jeopardizing the welfare of a child, thus make the government satisfied? On the contrary, the government isn't satisfied, but why? The reason lies with in the fact that the effects of lolicon on a pedophile or soon to become pedophile varies. It can have the same effect as legal pornography or increase the pedophile craving for more. well that was just some insight
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Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08

metalduck wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


metalduck wrote:

Depictions, fictional or real, in the form of pictures, drawings or even just writings, of individuals under 18 in sexual situations are already illegal in Canada, unless they have scientific value, artistic merit, are family photos, are private works of the imagination created exclusively for oneself, or are created by a married teenage couple for their own private use.

The Canadian Criminal Code defines Child Pornography as "visual representations that show a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity and visual representations, the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years." and also includes "visual representations and written material that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under the Code"

The Supreme court ruled in the case R v. Sharpe, that "person" includes imaginary or visual children, as well as actual children.

So....... technically, your loli anime kiddy porn is illegal, and can get you jail time for posession.

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If you're Canadian.


*looks up own birth certificate*: DAMN!

Oh well, time to train myself to think like an artist. Come on Standford, don't fail me now(http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/art-definition/):


4. Contemporary Definitions

Definitions of art attempt to make sense of two different sorts of facts: art has important historically contingent cultural features, and it also, arguably, has trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic core. (Theorists who regard art as an invention of eighteenth-century Europe will, of course, regard this way of putting the matter as tendentious, on the grounds that entities produced outside that culturally distinctive institution do not fall under the extension of “art” and hence are irrelevant to the art-defining project. (Shiner 2001) Whether the concept of art is precise enough to justify this much confidence about what falls under its extension claim is unclear.) Conventionalist definitions take art's cultural features to be explanatorily fundamental, and attempt to capture the phenomena —revolutionary modern art, the traditional close connection of art with the aesthetic, the possibility of autonomous art traditions, etc. — in social/historical terms. Non-conventionalist or “functionalist” definitions reverse this explanatory order, taking a concept like the aesthetic (or some allied concept like the formal, or the expressive) as basic, and aim to account for the phenomena by working that concept harder, perhaps extending it to non-perceptual properties.

So in another word, if one can clearly prove virtual child pornography being a modern art with trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aesthetic) core, then it can be seen as an artistic merit in Canada. THANK YOU BRAIN!


Ahaha.. Canadian hi-five!


Good to know...*hi-fives* Although I generally don't watch this genre, creating a law to ban intellectual work is just stupid. It's not hurting children directly in fact it doesn't affect them, assuming that they don't read/watch it. In the case that they do, it is by their own freewill. A suppose the government's heart is in the right place, but their means is too narrow minded.
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Posted 11/30/08
Beginning of the end? I don't think so...
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Posted 11/30/08
Draw our own doujins xD
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Posted 11/30/08
Good thing I'm not a fan of the genre.

I don't think it's much of a problem. No one's being hurt by it and it's better than actual child pornography. Besides, If Japan weren't perverted, where would anime be now??

Fun fact: The word "porn" originated in ancient Greece, coming especially from the Greek goddess Aphrodite. There were many "forms" of Aphrodite, which catered to the various things she stood for, most of them involving romance, beauty, and sexuality. One of those "forms" was Aphrodite porno, which was the mythical embodiment of men's sexual desires toward women.
Posted 11/30/08
Wait,what?
I can't let this happen!
So anime is really bad,eh?
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Posted 11/30/08
Leave japan alone, we kids need kid porn also
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Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08
it is fighting against a tide using a knife

if ever this will be ban the net has it own ways

even japan has ways
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Posted 11/30/08
As long as the character is eighteen, but looks seven it's fine.

I sense a loophole.
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Posted 11/30/08
o.O

does this mean no more of this?
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Oh dear. There go all the Moe-Fangirl-Shotacons. Run for your lives!
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Posted 11/30/08

FakingGlory wrote:

As long as the character is eighteen, but looks seven it's fine.

I sense a loophole.
:3


I doubt the courts would make it that easy. If a character is clearly depicted by the story as several hundred years old, but looks like 8, I expect the courts would treat it as such.

Frankly, I thought photorealistic virtual child porn (the "indistinguishable" type) was already banned, simply by the fact that it was indistinguishable to most people.

That said, the Supreme Court has already ruled on this in the past in the United States:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/16/scotus.virtual.child.porn/
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Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08

Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)
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