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The Beginning Of The End For Virtual Child Pronography
Posted 11/30/08

moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.
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Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08

zanthair wrote:

How is this a bad thing?

Anyone who gets off to kids is sick, real or not.


Hi-Five Zanthair, it's good to see someone else has some sense here. Freedom of expression or not, "healthy outlet" or not, you're still a perv.

EDIT:
Oh, not you Zanthair. you're cool. I meant everyone else. Sorry.
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Posted 11/30/08 , edited 11/30/08

Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd
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Posted 11/30/08

moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd


They're a pedophile group, with OVER 9000 MEMBARS!
lol Oprah.
Posted 11/30/08

moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd


Money is everything these days isn't it?
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Posted 11/30/08

metalduck wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd


They're a pedophile group, with OVER 9000 MEMBARS!
lol Oprah.


ph yeah i remember that lmao
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Posted 11/30/08

Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd


Money is everything these days isn't it?


its all about debt
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Posted 11/30/08
my only worrie is this go from the child porn issuse and then ends up making it look like all anime is bad sence its not a far jump from Lolis type anime to get to the haerum kind then snow balls from there.
Posted 11/30/08

moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd


Money is everything these days isn't it?


its all about debt


Debt makes you rage when you're the who has to pay it off.
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Posted 11/30/08
But...
But...
What will become of pedo bear? T.T
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Posted 11/30/08

FakingGlory wrote:

As long as the character is eighteen, but looks seven it's fine.

I sense a loophole.
:3


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Posted 11/30/08
this shit is still going on? this has nothing to do with protecting children at all... no... this is "waaaahhh!!! this thing (lolicon) has offended my narrow minded and tight assed sensitivities so now I want the government to make it go away so I can pretend it doesn't exist!!! waaaahhh!!! it'll happen if I piss and moan load enough!!!". in fact there are things right now that are illegal as we speak for no other reason than because someone complained load enough. the sad thing is in the discussion of if lolicon will become illegal has absolutely nothing to do with who has the facts or who's right. all that matters is who can throw the biggest hissy fit over thier point of view, who can whine into thier microphone the loudest, and who can throw the most money at it, nothing more, nothing less. you just can't give people too much credit... or more like, you can't give people credit at all.
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Posted 11/30/08

Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Yoshiya-Kiryuu wrote:

So basically we're all going to be arrested because we own child porn?


-u make it sound like its the real thing...and whos this "we" that you speak of? (lol)


Trust me. You don't want to know.

hmmmmmmm.....
maybeeeeee.....-.-?..oh gowd


Money is everything these days isn't it?


its all about debt


Debt makes you rage when you're the who has to pay it off.

consider offshore accounts take out a loan flee the country
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Posted 11/30/08

darkmagiciangirl911 wrote:


metalduck wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


metalduck wrote:

Depictions, fictional or real, in the form of pictures, drawings or even just writings, of individuals under 18 in sexual situations are already illegal in Canada, unless they have scientific value, artistic merit, are family photos, are private works of the imagination created exclusively for oneself, or are created by a married teenage couple for their own private use.

The Canadian Criminal Code defines Child Pornography as "visual representations that show a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of 18 years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity and visual representations, the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of 18 years." and also includes "visual representations and written material that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under the Code"

The Supreme court ruled in the case R v. Sharpe, that "person" includes imaginary or visual children, as well as actual children.

So....... technically, your loli anime kiddy porn is illegal, and can get you jail time for posession.

EDIT:
If you're Canadian.


*looks up own birth certificate*: DAMN!

Oh well, time to train myself to think like an artist. Come on Standford, don't fail me now(http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/art-definition/):


4. Contemporary Definitions

Definitions of art attempt to make sense of two different sorts of facts: art has important historically contingent cultural features, and it also, arguably, has trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic core. (Theorists who regard art as an invention of eighteenth-century Europe will, of course, regard this way of putting the matter as tendentious, on the grounds that entities produced outside that culturally distinctive institution do not fall under the extension of “art” and hence are irrelevant to the art-defining project. (Shiner 2001) Whether the concept of art is precise enough to justify this much confidence about what falls under its extension claim is unclear.) Conventionalist definitions take art's cultural features to be explanatorily fundamental, and attempt to capture the phenomena —revolutionary modern art, the traditional close connection of art with the aesthetic, the possibility of autonomous art traditions, etc. — in social/historical terms. Non-conventionalist or “functionalist” definitions reverse this explanatory order, taking a concept like the aesthetic (or some allied concept like the formal, or the expressive) as basic, and aim to account for the phenomena by working that concept harder, perhaps extending it to non-perceptual properties.

So in another word, if one can clearly prove virtual child pornography being a modern art with trans-historical, trans-cultural characteristics that point in the direction of a relatively stable aesthetic(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aesthetic) core, then it can be seen as an artistic merit in Canada. THANK YOU BRAIN!


Ahaha.. Canadian hi-five!


Good to know...*hi-fives* Although I generally don't watch this genre, creating a law to ban intellectual work is just stupid. It's not hurting children directly in fact it doesn't affect them, assuming that they don't read/watch it. In the case that they do, it is by their own freewill. A suppose the government's heart is in the right place, but their means is too narrow minded.


Well, in order to restrict a freedom, like the freedom of expression, an action has to pass the "Oakes test" (in Canada at least). This involves meeting 4 criteria.

1) There must be a reasonable objective to the restriction
2) The restriction must be rationally connected to the objective
3) There must be a minimal impairment of rights
4) There must be proportionality between the infringement and objective

Now this is totally my opinion, but this is how I interpret the issue and the test
1) To stop the various effects of kiddy porn on the public, to cease the glorification of sex with a minor
2) Disallowing people from owning virtual kiddy porn shows that practices depicted are unacceptable
3) The limit on freedom of expression is reasonable, and as minimal as possible
4) The restriction and the objective seem proportional

I guess my rule #1 and #2 are a spot shaky, since those are my personal views. You guys use the test as you see fit. None of us are supreme court judges, so... meh...
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Posted 11/30/08

TheAncientOne wrote:


FakingGlory wrote:

As long as the character is eighteen, but looks seven it's fine.

I sense a loophole.
:3


I doubt the courts would make it that easy. If a character is clearly depicted by the story as several hundred years old, but looks like 8, I expect the courts would treat it as such.

Frankly, I thought photorealistic virtual child porn (the "indistinguishable" type) was already banned, simply by the fact that it was indistinguishable to most people.

That said, the Supreme Court has already ruled on this in the past in the United States:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/16/scotus.virtual.child.porn/


3D Loli hentai is illegal.
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