Post Reply Looking into NANA O and Ren relationship GOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Posted 12/3/08
That whats its all about I have to go now but you guys can talk about it more depth while im gone ^_^
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Posted 12/3/08
I can easily deal with hachi and takumi’s relationship but about nana and ren I find it difficult maybe I don’t like them as couple or their story is more depressing, less entertaining, especially nana’s character she has too many issues like her pride, ambitions and her traumatic experience during childhood. Ren on the other hand, wants only simple things; to do what he loves doing, to be with nana and to start a family but I guess he knew it was impossible. If only one will give in then they will have a harmonious relationship. Let say, if only ren will give up the band and become nana’s full time lover then ren probably will be save or if he accept nana’s offer to be the bassist of their band while shin is in prison then there will be no conflict…if only…..

probably I’m wrong but I blame nana for ren’s death. Her pride and ambitions overruled her emotions of wanting to be with ren. And now she face the consequences.
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Posted 12/5/08
Oi, there's a reason why most people stay away from this subject when talking about NANA. It's just TOO depressing, and as gentlewater said it's not that entertaining.
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Well...I like Nana O and I dont want to blame her for Ren's death but it could have been prevented tho. IF she only gave in and went home to him. IF she would just go and see him even for just once it would be enough for Ren to most likely quit doing drugs and better himself. But Ren could have easily just as well seen her instead. Go to her and talk to her instead of avoiding her or waiting for her to come when he knows she will not. But she does have a lot of pride and ambition and she is like a hardcore kind of man. someone who will not give in to even someone they love. And Ren who is a man of course acts like it and makes it seem like he doesnt need her when he truly does but does not want to admit it...its supposed to be give and take between a relationship and for Nana and Ren its always TAKE and never give...but yeah discussing Nana and Ren's relationship is depressing...so many things could have happened differently.

!!!Nana shoulda just went to Tokyo with Ren and lived with him in the first place! or Ren shoulda just stayed with Nana and gotten her pregnant purposely damnit! lol.
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I guess Im a little different than everyone on this. Ren and Nana's relationship is my favorite of the series. Neither character is perfect and their relationship is a wreck most of the time. When they are actually together though it seems like they were made for each other. But they have some MAJOR communication issues (typical). As far as blamming Nana O. .. I don't think her ambition is a bad thing, and I don't think she loved ren less than he loved her. I think the problem for her was that she loved him too much. So much that she always felt like it was getting in the way of her dreams. But lets be honest, she is always in control of the relationship, she has been ever since they got back together. She comes and goes as she pleases and Ren gives her space because she is an absolutely impossible person to predict and understand. What I can't understand is how she can be with him and love him and not realize all of his mini-cries for help, how can she not see that he's hurting himself? It made me really sad when Ren was lost, because NO he wasnt the perfect character, or the perfect boyfriend... but him and Nana were practically a part of each other-- flaws and all.
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Posted 12/7/08
Now that you say that I’m beginning to take interests with the pair. I didn’t want to make it sound that her ambition is a bad thing but it is also one of the reason why they avoiding each other, right?



I always end up comparing their relationship to hachi and takumi. People usually say it is Takumi who controls hachi that sometimes they forgot hachi knows how to fight back, how to blackmail takumi only to get what she wants. I’ve never seen ren being aggressive or tried to fight to save their relationship. He has this thinking as long as the one he loved is happy he is ok but actually he is not coz he is suffering….

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I don't think NANA is to blame u can't really blame her for Ren's death i think he brought it onto himself, just lik how he decided to leave NANA for Tokyo and take drugs to replace his loneliness. Because im pretty sure wen he left for Tokyo he started to take drugs becasue he couldn't cope without being with Nana. but Nana on the other i find that i really lik her, not as much as Hachi but Nana as a women i find is very independent dispite the fact that she lived such a messed up life. Ya she is possessive and has trouble coping with situations she's never been in before, which causes her to break down, but she is a woman after all, despite how strong/prideful she is everyone has their breaking points. But i find that shes' very expressive about watever is on her mind, even though she has trouble expressing it correctly lik wen she told Nobou about keeping Hachi in her 'lil garden'. I think that was her way of saying that she doesn't want to lose Hachi; and growing up without nothing and having to earn everything she has, makes it hard to give up things especially things you care so much about( Just like how she felt wen Ren joined Trapnest). Which makes me understand why she has so much pride and has so much trouble giving into the things Ren wants her to.

Now Ren on the other hand is not so easy to read because he keeps almost all his emotions bundled up inside and every so often lik Nana breaks down, but instead of talkin to somone lik Nana confides in Yasu, Ren uses drugs to temporarily forget his current problems. And just lik Nana he is very prideful which is why they both have trouble giving into certain things and end up ignoring eachother. But because they are so alike neither one would give up their dreams for the other; even though they love eachother so much that they would die if the other did; which shows how DEEP their love runs for eachother.

Its kinda scary to lose yourself like that
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Posted 12/7/08 , edited 12/7/08
This is a sad topic, but very interesting. I've been re-reading some of the older chapters, and I just finished chapter 36. It is very enlightening as to what happened with Nana and Ren, and why their relationship started to go wrong. This is the point in the story when the scandal about Nana's affair with Ren breaks in the tabloids, and Ren leaves for England for a photo shoot. The first time I read it, I remember thinking it was strange that Ren didn't even try to contact Nana, or check on how she was doing at all. In fact, someone even asks him, "Shouldn't you do something about your girlfriend?" But I think this was meant to show how the two of them have been gradually growing apart. Both Ren and Nana basically say, in different ways, that while they still love each other very much, somehow their relationship is not the same as it was before they broke up (prior to Ren's move to Tokyo). It's as if they are no longer moving in the same direction. Nana talks about how she and Ren aren't "one" like they used to be. Ren's conversation with Reira near the close of the chapter is particularly revealing; Ren seems to acknowledge that Yasu has taken over the role of Nana's protector, while he is more focused on Trapnest. He wonders why he's become "cold" like that.

I guess the point is that love is not enough to sustain a relationship where the people involved have different goals and are following their own dreams. Or maybe Ren and Nana were too similar to make each other happy in the end.

I do understand why some may blame Nana, but I don't think that's fair. Ren was very secretive with her, and didn't confide in her as to what he was thinking or feeling. If she had known about his drug problem, I think she would have run to his side. Ren was a fragile person who pretended to be strong, and didn't ask for help when he needed it. The ultimate blame for his fate rests with him.
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well, though Ren and Nana O are abnormal ppl ( too emotional) they relationship got the same problem as everyone else, lack of communication, like everyone said.
Their love is great Ren is 100% faithful so is Nana, but hey, this is the real world, love alone will not do, rite? or else why ppl divorce when they were madly in love when they got married? Their relationship in itself is destructive, it's a " all or nothing" relationship.
The best way for this relationship is for Ren to die ( no ill intention) that way, their love can stand beautifully as a statue of true/mad/passionate/whatever ^^ love, I just cannot imagine a happy marriage for those two and a break up seems so ... cheap..I mean, it will ruin the whole thing if those 2 acts like normal couples. I prefer it that way even if Ren ( my beloved Ren) dies.
Can we start a thread about Hachi and Takumi? but in the topic " Takumi the most controversial guy..." we discussed pretty much about that rite, so maybe the reis no need 4 that ^^
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I don't blame Nana at all for Ren's death. Ren was his own person and chose to use drugs himself while the rest of Trapt did not, if anything, I blame their president for always supplying Ren coke. He made no moves to get him to quit, just pretty much handed over the bags and told him to be careful.

Would it have helped if Nana had been there with Ren? I'ts hard to say, but she couldn't have been there for him every second of every day unless she left Blast... so I personally think he still would have used while they were away recording or on tour. Even if Nana had left Blast for Ren, she wouldn't have been happy, so the relationship would've been doomed either way. I think Ren knew that and didn't really press it because of that reason when they got married.

Personally, I find Nana's relationship with Ren to be exhausting because they were so passionate about the other, but couldn't support each other the way needed.
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I love them! My only thing is I wish Nana wasn't so selfish towards him, i mean i know it comes from her childhood and she cant really help it but still! She gets jealous when Ren is holding Reira and complains to him but Ren says nothing to her when she's always hugging Yasu and always playfully asking him if he wants to sleep with her. Dont get me wrong, I'm not bashing the two because they are my favorite pairing in the series. Also I dont think Nana is to blame for Ren's death either. Ren was doing drugs even when they were together and kind of happy. I blame Narita for giving Ren drugs in the first place for the sake of composing music. I hope charges are pressed against him or maybe Takumi punch him in the face again! That'll make my day. lol
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I’m glad Ren found Nana as a companion when they first met [he was a player before I think]. Somehow I think he boasted of his past so boldly is to make people think that he’s fine with being abandoned as a baby, but the fact that he sleeps around shows he longs for someone to fill his loneliness. He must have really cherished Nana to not do anything to her for a year before he finally kissed her. The fact that he seemed happy to be ‘locked up’ by Nana seems weird; personally I wouldn’t want to be seen as someone’s property even if it’s someone I love. But I guess he might actually want to belong to someone after having no family all his life. It was really hard for him to leave Nana and go Tokyo all alone. Just like he wants to belong to Nana, he also wants Nana to belong solely to him. But he’s really mature and thoughtful to not ask Nana to go Tokyo with him, allowing her to live a life she should live. I think he knows that if he did ask she would have surely said yes. How gentle.
I really wonder how he got by in Tokyo for those 2½ years. The work from debuting and the drugs must have barely pulled him through. Even though he knew that Nana wasn’t his anymore since they broke up, he still didn’t want to let go of her or let Yasu take her over. When they got back together and he woke up without her in his arms, I could feel how much he needed her when he thought she left. Sometimes I think Ren wouldn’t mind having a family, living a normal life with Nana without music from the way he constantly talks about wanting children.
Ren is pretty protective over Nana; he doesn’t do things that would hurt her pride [letting her pay for her own stuff and even his comics sometimes, not bothering to explain the reports]. But in the end, to protect her reputation and career he chose to get married to stop the scandal. The proposal was like he said because he didn’t know what else he could do to replace Yasu in Nana’s heart and it was he’s last resort to be the closest person to Nana. He is more matured than Nana, knowing that now he has more burdens and things to protect other than just her, but it still hurts to know that he won’t die along with her even if it’s the right choice. Although they are starting to get a little kinky during their sex, I seriously don’t think Ren really wants to kill Nana. It just seems like a drive of desperation and possession. Ren is really thoughtful; buying the same engagement ring as Hachiko’s ring for Nana knowing that Nana feels detached from Hachi since they don’t seem to have a connection anymore. With the same ring, he eased her insecurities.
I love how Ai would draw Ren and Nana acting in similar ways, having similar piercings and dressings. I used to think that 2 people who love each other deeply can make it through without meeting all the time. But for someone like Nana and Ren who needs companionship more than everyone else, although meeting occasionally wouldn’t change their love, it wasn’t enough for either of them. Maybe only independent but loving couples can live through not meeting all the time. I like the part where they were fussing over filling the marriage certificate. He instantly knew Nana would have misunderstood his words and took the opportunity to tell her he knows the marriage idea was just his selfish desires and he wants to really know and respect her ideas. He looked so afraid that Nana would ask him to check into another room, but from that scene it was good to know that Nana did not want to be alone she wanted to be with him. Ren knows what Nana selfishly desires and even though they don’t seem to look for the same future, he still wants to try hard to make it work for them.
I’m glad Nana took the first step for Ren to make an effort to get a phone and call him; I think Ren was filled with joy that’s why since then he would call her every single day. I’m glad he wanted to call to comfort her about the article on her mother although it seemed she didn’t really bother about it. Just when they seemed to be doing well, Nana had to put him in a tight spot. If I were Ren, I would also think its tiring to stay be Nana’s side. But even so, at the end of the day he would still want to stay by her side because he loves her. Even when they are apart, he still thinks about her situations and moves home first so that Nana wouldn’t feel lonely when she chooses to go home. I can feel how much he misses her when he finally chooses to leave Trapnest for Nana. Even though in his heart he has chose a different path from the one he chose 3 years ago, I still don’t understand why he doesn’t go straight to Nana but insist of finding Reira first. The fact that he sees Nana just before he crashed seemed to be some metaphorical scene Ai drew. Maybe it was to show that despite chasing after Reira physically, he desperately wants to be with Nana. I just hope that Nana would realize this and not feel abandoned on both emotional and physical levels now that he's dead.
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o my god, look at the omigosh long stories people make dont feel like reading al that
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They were just both so pride that they couldn't confined in each other their own worries. They were both abandoned when they were children they both have different dreams. They realized they truly loved each other but it is not enough to make a relationship work. NANA O wanted her dreams so bad she lefted ren and ren did the same thing. They were no longer at that level they were in before in their previous relationship. it wasnt nana fault ren death happened because it happened nothing can change that now. if it matter they both really tried to make it work they really did. NANA wanted to learn how to cook better and be a better support to ren than before. Ren was was putting effort too he moved back home and wanted to work things out. ITs one of those situations that you wish you said what you couldn't say before.
Ren was grown up beyond his years and he understood NANA O and tried to give her the space he would want for himself. Sometimes being so grown its a problem as well. As we are older we don't look at the world the same way we used too.
putting effort is ok but is it really enough? In NANA we see that relationships are not all flowerly like we think it is. Its more than that. Their deep love destroyed themselves.
perhaps it was lack of communication who knows?

Ren death just happen its no one else fault but fate.
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i disagree, nana and ren are not abnormal none of this manga is abnormal and thats why i love it so damn much. it's so real.

I actually have a personality just like nana.. and it kind of sucks sometimes but i can relate to her so much.
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