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Who will win? Ikuto or Tadase? READ FORUM BELOW FIRST!!!!!
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NOTE:
-This is a long forum! If you can't handle it or don't have patience to read it, THEN GET OUT! Its people like you who don't deserve to have a proper say in the Tadase and Ikuto debate.
- Amuto and Tadase/Amu ARE WELCOME!
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Personally, I enjoy fighting (scratch that) debating about Ikuto and Tadase, and who will go with who. BUT I am sick and tired and reading, and arguing with people who are just plain stupid.

I DON'T CARE WHO AMU ENDS UP WITH (well actually I do, but that's besides the point.) The point is I am tired of people saying, "Ikuto shouldn't be with Amu because he is stupid and mean" (vise-versa) etc. etc, etc.

I WANT FACTS HERE. I WANT TO KNOW WHY, WHAT, and HOW, Tadase and Ikuto are good, bad, for Amu!!!!!

Give me as much of Shugo Chara as you know. Do research! Don't just give me junk that they are ugly or something.

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Example:
(also my opinion on topic). Plz feel free to use this format to answer as well.
My position:
I like Ikuto more than Tadase and support Amuto.
Why:
I like Ikuto, not because he is good looking (I will be honest he is) but I have respect for him.
Facts: (I want trueful things! Not things that you want or not sure of! Do research!)
Many probably don't know, but Ikuto has a very hurtful past that he has to endure now along. He is very good at hiding it (a.k.a. Likes to goof around and tease Amu, etc.) Some things he had to endure are:
- His dad left the family
- He mother betrayed the family by marrying the boss of Easter
- When he lived with Tadase's family, he was blamed for everything that went wrong and endured it for his sister and Tadase so they wouldn't get in trouble.
- He made Tadase hate him so he wouldn't get involved with Easter
- He failed to protect Utau from Easter
- He was blamed for Tadase's dog death even though he liked the dog and was playing a song in honor for it when he was blamed.
- Tadase hates him and thinks he stole the Dumpty key from him when it was originally Ikuto's dad key and was suppose to be given to him but when Ikuto's dad left it was given to Tadase's dad and dad gave it to Tadase because they thought Ikuto's father wasn't coming back.
- He has to be an enemy of Amu despise that he likes her and doesn't want to fight her (hence the fact he helps Amu in the shadows) HE KNOWS WHATS RIGHT.
- He's forced to do the will of Easter, even to the point where he is forced to hurt Amu

- He's along...
- Etc....

The reason I respect him, is he managed to endure all this pain without getting others involved (he at least tried. He has failed a few time, but he effort was for them). He really cares for other. And surprisingly, ALL TADASE FANS LISTEN TO THIS! Ikuto actually likes Tadase! Everyone, makes it look like they hate each other! The only hate that is being passed is by Tadase because he doesn't understand what Ikuto did and is trying to do for him. AND FOR ALL YOU IKUTO FANS, this isn't a good reason to dislike Tadase. Tadase is only acting this way because he doesn't know, not because he is a jerk. I naturally don't like him, but I have RESPECT for him too. He is just trying to protect Amu even though he is clueless because he feels its best.
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NOW, your homework, is to answer the poll above if you agree with me or not, and to answer on where you stand and why!
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NOTE: I will ask you to delete you forum if you give me any trash! I don't care what side you are on! I want to argue with someone one that is wreath arguing with. Tell me how much you know. Tell me I am wrong! Lets DEBATE!

I will not tolerate:
- Crude comments to characters or people (no swearing, etc.)
- Disrespecting and negative comments!
- Posting just random junk (not giving facts, etc.)

I look forward to all your reply's and views!
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My position:
I choose Tadase
Why:
He is kind to everybody =3
Facts: (I want trueful things! Not things that you want or not sure of! Do research!)
- His mom was kinda
- His poor lil puppy go bye bye
- He and Amu are guardians.
- He and Amu are both 11 or 12
- Tadase doesnt work for easter so he is not one of Amu's enemies
- Amu liked Tadase since the first episode and Amu didnt even know Ikuto much in ep 1.
- He convinced Amu to join the guardians(i think)
- Everygirl in school likes him (i see y )

thats all i know...
Posted 12/8/08
Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3

I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^
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gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3

I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Thanks for the nicely done forum and I enjoy reading your opinion and I agree a lot too!
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pokegirl21 wrote:

My position:
Tadase-kun is mine!!!
Why:
He is kind to everybody =3
Facts: (I want trueful things! Not things that you want or not sure of! Do research!)
- His mom was kinda
- His poor lil puppy go bye bye
- He and Amu are guardians.
- He and Amu are both 11 or 12
- Tadase doesnt work for easter
- Amu liked Tadase since the first episode and Amu didnt even know Ikuto much in ep 1.
- He convinced Amu to join the guardians(i think)
- Everygirl in school likes him (i see y )

Thats all i remember for now


Many of these fact...Can be countered for good reason, but I do agree with you in some things even though I am an Amuto fan. Thanks for posting your opinion nicely, and the right way. Your info will be used for good debate.

Lets begin the debate!
- Tadase's mother, I believe wasn't kind. At least to Ikuto. I could be wrong. It may of been his grandmother. My source is from chapter 26 I believe, where you see Ikuto's passed when he use to live iwth Tadase's family with Utau and how he was blamed for everything.

-Like I said said before, Ikuto liked the dog and I believe it clarify it in chapter....mmmm I will get back to you on that one. But I remember reading it, I need to do a bit of research. I can't remember chapter.

-Being guardians are a good thing, I agree there.

- Generally it makes sense to like someone of similar age (I agree) but most people (when married at least) have a couple years a part. It seems strange when young but not really when grown up. I don't have facts on this just more opinion but I don't think age really matters. If it did, then Peach-Pit wouldn't have Amu having love issues with Ikuto too.

- True Tadase doesn't work with Easter (making it easier for him to protect Amu) but Ikuto isn't part of Easter by choice. Currently, in the manga (chapter 34-36 so far I believe) Amu and guardians are fighting to free Ikuto from this torture. By the way its going, I believe Amu will rescue him and he will be freed in the end. So I don't think that would be a problem in the future.

- Very true. But it was a feeling she felt right away without knowing him. When she founds out what he was really like in his chara-change she realizes he's not totally all she thought. Also in the episode where Nadeshiko leaves , she has a conversation on how she is confused about her love to Tadase because she just jumped right into liking him without knowing him. I recommend watching episode (sorry I can't think of pacific ep., you have to find it) but it goes much more in depth. Also, Ikuto does have a pretty big role in the first ep. And I find it interesting, after she was rejected by Tadase, she happened to run (actually fall) on Ikuto. I think Peach-Pit was trying to show us something. That Ikuto, even though she like hates him in the first few eps. she gets to know him and he may become the alternative option. Foreshadowing a bit maybe.

- I really don't see how this would support Tadamu...sorry...

- True, but what do you think if Ikuto was part of the same school too? I bet he would have fan-girls too! Also I don't see how this supports Tadamu. It just shows that Amu has a lot of competition and she is acting like every other girl.

Thanks for opinions. I enjoyed debating. I can't wait to hear back from you!
Posted 12/9/08

VampireChappi15 wrote:


gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3

I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Thanks for the nicely done forum and I enjoy reading your opinion and I agree a lot too!


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gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3
I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Well in tokyo mew mew, Ichigo ended up with Masaya but there were SOOOOOO many ppl who luved Ichigo with the bad guy who was Kisshu (kissigo) and only a few ppl likes masaya with her (Ichiya i think) so Amu might end up with the good guy which is tadase
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VampireChappi15 wrote:


pokegirl21 wrote:

My position:
Tadase-kun is mine!!!
Why:
He is kind to everybody =3
Facts: (I want trueful things! Not things that you want or not sure of! Do research!)
- His mom was kinda
- His poor lil puppy go bye bye
- He and Amu are guardians.
- He and Amu are both 11 or 12
- Tadase doesnt work for easter
- Amu liked Tadase since the first episode and Amu didnt even know Ikuto much in ep 1.
- He convinced Amu to join the guardians(i think)
- Everygirl in school likes him (i see y )

Thats all i remember for now


Many of these fact...Can be countered for good reason, but I do agree with you in some things even though I am an Amuto fan. Thanks for posting your opinion nicely, and the right way. Your info will be used for good debate.

Lets begin the debate!
- Tadase's mother, I believe wasn't kind. At least to Ikuto. I could be wrong. It may of been his grandmother. My source is from chapter 26 I believe, where you see Ikuto's passed when he use to live iwth Tadase's family with Utau and how he was blamed for everything.

-Like I said said before, Ikuto liked the dog and I believe it clarify it in chapter....mmmm I will get back to you on that one. But I remember reading it, I need to do a bit of research. I can't remember chapter.

-Being guardians are a good thing, I agree there.

- Generally it makes sense to like someone of similar age (I agree) but most people (when married at least) have a couple years a part. It seems strange when young but not really when grown up. I don't have facts on this just more opinion but I don't think age really matters. If it did, then Peach-Pit wouldn't have Amu having love issues with Ikuto too.

- True Tadase doesn't work with Easter (making it easier for him to protect Amu) but Ikuto isn't part of Easter by choice. Currently, in the manga (chapter 34-36 so far I believe) Amu and guardians are fighting to free Ikuto from this torture. By the way its going, I believe Amu will rescue him and he will be freed in the end. So I don't think that would be a problem in the future.

- Very true. But it was a feeling she felt right away without knowing him. When she founds out what he was really like in his chara-change she realizes he's not totally all she thought. Also in the episode where Nadeshiko leaves , she has a conversation on how she is confused about her love to Tadase because she just jumped right into liking him without knowing him. I recommend watching episode (sorry I can't think of pacific ep., you have to find it) but it goes much more in depth. Also, Ikuto does have a pretty big role in the first ep. And I find it interesting, after she was rejected by Tadase, she happened to run (actually fall) on Ikuto. I think Peach-Pit was trying to show us something. That Ikuto, even though she like hates him in the first few eps. she gets to know him and he may become the alternative option. Foreshadowing a bit maybe.

- I really don't see how this would support Tadamu...sorry...

- True, but what do you think if Ikuto was part of the same school too? I bet he would have fan-girls too! Also I don't see how this supports Tadamu. It just shows that Amu has a lot of competition and she is acting like every other girl.

Thanks for opinions. I enjoyed debating. I can't wait to hear back from you!


well the only age difference is tadase's a few months older and like tadase said in ep 11. he's really shy so he does a chara-change to reject everybody. but u should notice SOMETIMES when tadase is near her he turns alittle pinkish, btw how did ikuto become part of easter anyways? i dont get it..
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FINALLY there's a sensible forum that i agree with completely.

and u basically said everything i wanted to say why i want Ikuto to with Amu
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pokegirl21 wrote:


VampireChappi15 wrote:


pokegirl21 wrote:

My position:
Tadase-kun is mine!!!
Why:
He is kind to everybody =3
Facts: (I want trueful things! Not things that you want or not sure of! Do research!)
- His mom was kinda
- His poor lil puppy go bye bye
- He and Amu are guardians.
- He and Amu are both 11 or 12
- Tadase doesnt work for easter
- Amu liked Tadase since the first episode and Amu didnt even know Ikuto much in ep 1.
- He convinced Amu to join the guardians(i think)
- Everygirl in school likes him (i see y )

Thats all i remember for now


Many of these fact...Can be countered for good reason, but I do agree with you in some things even though I am an Amuto fan. Thanks for posting your opinion nicely, and the right way. Your info will be used for good debate.

Lets begin the debate!
- Tadase's mother, I believe wasn't kind. At least to Ikuto. I could be wrong. It may of been his grandmother. My source is from chapter 26 I believe, where you see Ikuto's passed when he use to live iwth Tadase's family with Utau and how he was blamed for everything.

-Like I said said before, Ikuto liked the dog and I believe it clarify it in chapter....mmmm I will get back to you on that one. But I remember reading it, I need to do a bit of research. I can't remember chapter.

-Being guardians are a good thing, I agree there.

- Generally it makes sense to like someone of similar age (I agree) but most people (when married at least) have a couple years a part. It seems strange when young but not really when grown up. I don't have facts on this just more opinion but I don't think age really matters. If it did, then Peach-Pit wouldn't have Amu having love issues with Ikuto too.

- True Tadase doesn't work with Easter (making it easier for him to protect Amu) but Ikuto isn't part of Easter by choice. Currently, in the manga (chapter 34-36 so far I believe) Amu and guardians are fighting to free Ikuto from this torture. By the way its going, I believe Amu will rescue him and he will be freed in the end. So I don't think that would be a problem in the future.

- Very true. But it was a feeling she felt right away without knowing him. When she founds out what he was really like in his chara-change she realizes he's not totally all she thought. Also in the episode where Nadeshiko leaves , she has a conversation on how she is confused about her love to Tadase because she just jumped right into liking him without knowing him. I recommend watching episode (sorry I can't think of pacific ep., you have to find it) but it goes much more in depth. Also, Ikuto does have a pretty big role in the first ep. And I find it interesting, after she was rejected by Tadase, she happened to run (actually fall) on Ikuto. I think Peach-Pit was trying to show us something. That Ikuto, even though she like hates him in the first few eps. she gets to know him and he may become the alternative option. Foreshadowing a bit maybe.

- I really don't see how this would support Tadamu...sorry...

- True, but what do you think if Ikuto was part of the same school too? I bet he would have fan-girls too! Also I don't see how this supports Tadamu. It just shows that Amu has a lot of competition and she is acting like every other girl.

Thanks for opinions. I enjoyed debating. I can't wait to hear back from you!


well the only age difference is tadase's a few months older and like tadase said in ep 11. he's really shy so he does a chara-change to reject everybody. but u should notice SOMETIMES when tadase is near her he turns alittle pinkish, btw how did ikuto become part of easter anyways? i dont get it..


it's cuz Ikuto has to obey his stepfather. people under the "Tsukiyomi" name are supposed to obey and work in Easter.
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pokegirl21 wrote:


VampireChappi15 wrote:


pokegirl21 wrote:

My position:
Tadase-kun is mine!!!
Why:
He is kind to everybody =3
Facts: (I want trueful things! Not things that you want or not sure of! Do research!)
- His mom was kinda
- His poor lil puppy go bye bye
- He and Amu are guardians.
- He and Amu are both 11 or 12
- Tadase doesnt work for easter
- Amu liked Tadase since the first episode and Amu didnt even know Ikuto much in ep 1.
- He convinced Amu to join the guardians(i think)
- Everygirl in school likes him (i see y )

Thats all i remember for now


Many of these fact...Can be countered for good reason, but I do agree with you in some things even though I am an Amuto fan. Thanks for posting your opinion nicely, and the right way. Your info will be used for good debate.

Lets begin the debate!
- Tadase's mother, I believe wasn't kind. At least to Ikuto. I could be wrong. It may of been his grandmother. My source is from chapter 26 I believe, where you see Ikuto's passed when he use to live iwth Tadase's family with Utau and how he was blamed for everything.

-Like I said said before, Ikuto liked the dog and I believe it clarify it in chapter....mmmm I will get back to you on that one. But I remember reading it, I need to do a bit of research. I can't remember chapter.

-Being guardians are a good thing, I agree there.

- Generally it makes sense to like someone of similar age (I agree) but most people (when married at least) have a couple years a part. It seems strange when young but not really when grown up. I don't have facts on this just more opinion but I don't think age really matters. If it did, then Peach-Pit wouldn't have Amu having love issues with Ikuto too.

- True Tadase doesn't work with Easter (making it easier for him to protect Amu) but Ikuto isn't part of Easter by choice. Currently, in the manga (chapter 34-36 so far I believe) Amu and guardians are fighting to free Ikuto from this torture. By the way its going, I believe Amu will rescue him and he will be freed in the end. So I don't think that would be a problem in the future.

- Very true. But it was a feeling she felt right away without knowing him. When she founds out what he was really like in his chara-change she realizes he's not totally all she thought. Also in the episode where Nadeshiko leaves , she has a conversation on how she is confused about her love to Tadase because she just jumped right into liking him without knowing him. I recommend watching episode (sorry I can't think of pacific ep., you have to find it) but it goes much more in depth. Also, Ikuto does have a pretty big role in the first ep. And I find it interesting, after she was rejected by Tadase, she happened to run (actually fall) on Ikuto. I think Peach-Pit was trying to show us something. That Ikuto, even though she like hates him in the first few eps. she gets to know him and he may become the alternative option. Foreshadowing a bit maybe.

- I really don't see how this would support Tadamu...sorry...

- True, but what do you think if Ikuto was part of the same school too? I bet he would have fan-girls too! Also I don't see how this supports Tadamu. It just shows that Amu has a lot of competition and she is acting like every other girl.

Thanks for opinions. I enjoyed debating. I can't wait to hear back from you!


well the only age difference is tadase's a few months older and like tadase said in ep 11. he's really shy so he does a chara-change to reject everybody. but u should notice SOMETIMES when tadase is near her he turns alittle pinkish, btw how did ikuto become part of easter anyways? i dont get it..


Yes, Tadase get flushed...But I don't see how that supports Tadamu... Ikuto likes Amu, even though he doesn't blush...

Anyways, like what Natsuya801923 said about the Tsukiyomi's. Plus Ikuto's mom married the boss of Easter so he doesn't have much of a choice. That's why he doesn't like his mother because she betrayed the family.
Posted 12/10/08

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gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3
I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Well in tokyo mew mew, Ichigo ended up with Masaya but there were SOOOOOO many ppl who luved Ichigo with the bad guy who was Kisshu (kissigo) and only a few ppl likes masaya with her (Ichiya i think) so Amu might end up with the good guy which is tadase


Well that's one example. But i'm not saying ikuto is "bad" in that sense. he's good too.
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pokegirl21 wrote:


gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3
I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Well in tokyo mew mew, Ichigo ended up with Masaya but there were SOOOOOO many ppl who luved Ichigo with the bad guy who was Kisshu (kissigo) and only a few ppl likes masaya with her (Ichiya i think) so Amu might end up with the good guy which is tadase


Well that's one example. But i'm not saying ikuto is "bad" in that sense. he's good too.


well he might be forced to be in easter but in the begining he used to destroy the eggs and play his violin to gather them. and in ep 12 (i think) he said "We are enemies" and amu yelled "I HATE U!!!" cuz he was breaking the eggs
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gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3
I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Well in tokyo mew mew, Ichigo ended up with Masaya but there were SOOOOOO many ppl who luved Ichigo with the bad guy who was Kisshu (kissigo) and only a few ppl likes masaya with her (Ichiya i think) so Amu might end up with the good guy which is tadase


That is true. But Ichigo is extremely innocent. She is to timid to butt her nose into the bad guys business like Amu did. Amu is willing to do both sides and Ikuto actually isn't as "bad" as he really is.
Also...Kisshu is a bad example. Yes, he's cool... (I'm not actually I fan of him. I like Ichigo with that blond haired dude more. He seems more like Ikuto) but he went a bit insane in some cases and was willing to hurt Ichigo. Ikuto would never do that to Amu. Ikuto knows how to keep himself under control even though he is hurt inside.
Also to add, Peach-Pit isn't the same person who did Tokyo Mew Mew, so we can't really prodict that Shugo Chara will be the same.
Peach-Pit is especially focusing on Ikuto, meaning he is very important to the Shugo Chara ending (if it ends with the Ikuto Revolution). Meaning his could be the finally twist when Amu realizes her love for Ikuto because she understand what he has done for everyone in the shadows and how much he got hurt for it. Kisshu wasn't all that important and didn't really have any real connection or past experiences with Ichigo. So it kind makes sense for him to die in the end. It was sad...but the real sad thing was Ichigo mourned for him, but still went with the other dude regardless for what he did for her. Hopefully Ikuto won't have the same fate because he is much more important.

Also Ikuto ISN'T the "bad" guy! Sorry...He isn't. If he had choice he wouldn't do this.
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pokegirl21 wrote:


gamergurl21 wrote:


pokegirl21 wrote:


gamergurl21 wrote:

Nice! finally someone sensible stepped up to the plate! Okay here's mine.

My position:
Amuto (I like Ikuto better for Amu.)
Why:
Hmm how can i explain this...
Yes it's true that Amu has had a crush on Tadase since episode one and probably way before that, according to the fact that in episode one, she already knew who Tadase was. What is also true is that Tadase and Amu are closer 'age wise'. But i don't think age matters when it comes to true love (my parents are 11 years apart and they're doing just fine XD). I think Ikuto is a more diverse and interesting character, and like VampireChappi15 said, he's been able to endure a lot. I admire him for that :D. I'm not saying Tadase's life was a batch of cupcakes (wow bad saying) but this is what i think. Despite the fact that Ikuto is indeed a hot anime character (oh boy XD) he seems more consistant and not just the average 'nice guy' type. after all every girl loves a bad boy^^
Tadamu just seems too sweet all the time. And boring. Sure he's amu's first crush but things like that usually don't last (just look at fruits basket, Tohru ended up with Kyo). We need a better range of themes to follow through in an anime relationship. It doesn't hurt if things get a little sexy~ ^^

FACTS!:
- From what I've seen, most of the Tadamu population is made up of younger fans. (Might not be true in every case but it's an estimate. which explains quite a lot.)
- Peach Pit has been giving signs to the Amuto pairing more so than the Tadamu one (and no I'm not just being paranoid). Here are a few examples:
~ Amu's vague smile at the end of episode 50.
~ Amu thinking about tadase AND ikuto on episode 60
~ Amu didn't mind asking Ikuto to come to Utau's concert, which shows that she's getting more and more comfortable to the situation.
~ Amu offered to help Ikuto look for his violin (ep 59)
~ Of course there's all the obvious stuff like the the theme park and ikuto helping her out all the time.
~ On episode 53, when amu was talking to the 'first king' he told her that people who pay close attention to her would notice her changes, and ikuto said she had changed later on in the episode.
~ on episode 18 ikuto said he was after 'more than one thing' or something like that. im sure that 'thing' was amu and not just the humpty lock.
~ there's more, that i cant really remember at the moment XD if i can, i'll post them soon :3
I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE WITH THIS POST! I RESPECT ALL OPINIONS! and i hope you respect mine too^^


Well in tokyo mew mew, Ichigo ended up with Masaya but there were SOOOOOO many ppl who luved Ichigo with the bad guy who was Kisshu (kissigo) and only a few ppl likes masaya with her (Ichiya i think) so Amu might end up with the good guy which is tadase


Well that's one example. But i'm not saying ikuto is "bad" in that sense. he's good too.


well he might be forced to be in easter but in the begining he used to destroy the eggs and play his violin to gather them. and in ep 12 (i think) he said "We are enemies" and amu yelled "I HATE U!!!" cuz he was breaking the eggs


....You like interdicted yourself here... You said he "might be forced to be in easter" also reason why he was "FORCED" to destroy the eggs. I'm sure wouldn't if he wasn't "FORCED" to do it.
He said "we are enemies" to protect her and make her keep her distance. But of course Amu didn't.
She said she hated him because she didn't understand he was under orders. Later she understands and tries to make up for it. That problem was already solved.
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