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The Stupidity of Christmas
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Many people look at pagan religions and think that they were devil worshipers or just plain crazy people, but did you know that most Christmas traditions come from these pagan religions and that the pentacle was not a sign of the devil, but a sign of something mystical and magical. Now don’t take that the wrong way. It’s a good symbol, not a bad one.

What Christmas traditions do we get from these pagan religions:

The Christmas tree- There was an ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. During the Roman celebration of the feast of Saturnalia, Pagans did decorate their houses with clippings of evergreen shrubs.

Giving gifts and Santa Clause- Gifts were given during the winter solstice for good luck. In addition the Norse traditions of Odin’s gift and punishment. They gave gifts throughout the winter, which evolved into St. Nicholas and Kris Kringle presents for children.

Christmas Day- Guess what day the winter Solstice was on, yes Christmas December 25. December 25th was also considered the birth of the Persian sun god Mithras. So the church choose December 25 to make it easer to convert the pagans.

Yule logs- The men of ancient religions would go out and find the largest log they could to bring home for the winter solstice or Yule festival.

Twelve Days of Christmas- Yule logs were burned, and they were supposed to be large enough that they burned for twelve days. This was the foundation of the twelve days of Christmas after Christianity was introduced.

Of course there are many more traditions that I have not covered here. It’s interesting to see how different religions are so similar.

I would also like to spark a discussion about why people spend heaps on money when this holiday is supposed to be about Jesus and family (any other comments welcome)? Do you think this holiday is forced on us like the Christian religion? Why celebrate it if it does not celebrate Jesus and no one knows when he was born?

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Lol wow religion must be pretty hypocritical, but it's no suprise. Alot of religions are against each other anyways which would explain the crusades. I wonder if they're going to have another since alot of wars actually kinda connect with race or religion at some way.
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Christianity is based off of the worship of the sun,which means Christ himself is a pagan figure.
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'Christmas to many is not considered a religious halladay. More just a time to get to gather and relax, get drunk or party with friends, or family.

Yes I know Santa is Odin. (great guy is he not.)
Yes I know about its past, being a well educated Atheist and all.
The only people that think of it as a religious halladay is the crazy nut jobs that if they really did read there bibles would know that there supposed to shun that day, and stone to death all who intake in the festival do to the fact its a sin to put silver and gold on a tree, or even to warship other gods, being its a party for a sun god they really not fallowing there bible very well.
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Many people look at pagan religions and think that they were devil worshipers or just plain crazy people, but did you know that most Christmas traditions come from these pagan religions and that the pentacle was not a sign of the devil, but a sign of something mystical and magical. Now don’t take that the wrong way. It’s a good symbol, not a bad one.

What Christmas traditions do we get from these pagan religions:

The Christmas tree- There was an ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. During the Roman celebration of the feast of Saturnalia, Pagans did decorate their houses with clippings of evergreen shrubs.

Giving gifts and Santa Clause- Gifts were given during the winter solstice for good luck. In addition the Norse traditions of Odin’s gift and punishment. They gave gifts throughout the winter, which evolved into St. Nicholas and Kris Kringle presents for children.

Christmas Day- Guess what day the winter Solstice was on, yes Christmas December 25. December 25th was also considered the birth of the Persian sun god Mithras. So the church choose December 25 to make it easer to convert the pagans.

Yule logs- The men of ancient religions would go out and find the largest log they could to bring home for the winter solstice or Yule festival.

Twelve Days of Christmas- Yule logs were burned, and they were supposed to be large enough that they burned for twelve days. This was the foundation of the twelve days of Christmas after Christianity was introduced.

Of course there are many more traditions that I have not covered here. It’s interesting to see how different religions are so similar.

I would also like to spark a discussion about why people spend heaps on money when this holiday is supposed to be about Jesus and family (any other comments welcome)? Do you think this holiday is forced on us like the Christian religion? Why celebrate it if it does not celebrate Jesus and no one knows when he was born?




the christmas tree came from germans who were once mercenaries for British, but settled down in america after the revolutionary war.

freakin athiests try to convert christmas as a normal holiday just like how they converted the holdiay thanksgiving (national prayer day) into a "family holiday"
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raja613 wrote:

Many people look at pagan religions and think that they were devil worshipers or just plain crazy people, but did you know that most Christmas traditions come from these pagan religions and that the pentacle was not a sign of the devil, but a sign of something mystical and magical. Now don’t take that the wrong way. It’s a good symbol, not a bad one.

What Christmas traditions do we get from these pagan religions:

The Christmas tree- There was an ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. During the Roman celebration of the feast of Saturnalia, Pagans did decorate their houses with clippings of evergreen shrubs.

Giving gifts and Santa Clause- Gifts were given during the winter solstice for good luck. In addition the Norse traditions of Odin’s gift and punishment. They gave gifts throughout the winter, which evolved into St. Nicholas and Kris Kringle presents for children.

Christmas Day- Guess what day the winter Solstice was on, yes Christmas December 25. December 25th was also considered the birth of the Persian sun god Mithras. So the church choose December 25 to make it easer to convert the pagans.

Yule logs- The men of ancient religions would go out and find the largest log they could to bring home for the winter solstice or Yule festival.

Twelve Days of Christmas- Yule logs were burned, and they were supposed to be large enough that they burned for twelve days. This was the foundation of the twelve days of Christmas after Christianity was introduced.

Of course there are many more traditions that I have not covered here. It’s interesting to see how different religions are so similar.

I would also like to spark a discussion about why people spend heaps on money when this holiday is supposed to be about Jesus and family (any other comments welcome)? Do you think this holiday is forced on us like the Christian religion? Why celebrate it if it does not celebrate Jesus and no one knows when he was born?




the christmas tree came from germans who were once mercenaries for British, but settled down in america after the revolutionary war.

freakin athiests try to convert christmas as a normal holiday just like how they converted the holdiay thanksgiving (national prayer day) into a "family holiday"


I don't think atheist made christmas or thanksgiving a normal holiday
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i don't think its forced...or maybe it is...i don't know i don't have the right word for it. Maybe 'implied.' Around where i live its expected that you 'celebrate' Xmas and go holiday crazy along with everyone else. And if you don't, people are like well what the HELL is wrong with you, Scooge?!

I see a lot of connections like that between religions. I know some of the people from my old church would smite me for even suggesting that Christianity borrowed anything, but I think its pretty cool. Proves at least in my opinion that there isn't just 'one true way' ^ ^ (I'm pagan btw. eclectic path )
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The Stupidity of Christians: VERY FUCKING HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the bastards killed the pagans and stole their holidays, but at least they got their comeuppance briefly when they were being thrown to the lions in Rome a while ago.

Oh, and christ was born in september.


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oooohh sorry. i though it said "the stupidity of christians"
'tis only now i realise it said "christmas" not "christians"

sorreeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh
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The Stupidity of Christians: VERY FUCKING HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the bastards killed the pagans and stole their holidays, but at least they got their comeuppance briefly when they were being thrown to the lions in Rome a while ago.

Oh, and christ was born in september.




A 13 year old bashing Christians? lol. I'm sure there are plenty of stupid atheists out there. Does that mean I can say that atheists are stupid? No. By the way, nobody knows when Christ was born. I don't think it's all that important when He was born anyways.

As for the topic, I personally don't label Christmas as a Christian holiday. It's just like any other holiday for fun and more family time.
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raja613 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


raja613 wrote:

Many people look at pagan religions and think that they were devil worshipers or just plain crazy people, but did you know that most Christmas traditions come from these pagan religions and that the pentacle was not a sign of the devil, but a sign of something mystical and magical. Now don’t take that the wrong way. It’s a good symbol, not a bad one.

What Christmas traditions do we get from these pagan religions:

The Christmas tree- There was an ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. During the Roman celebration of the feast of Saturnalia, Pagans did decorate their houses with clippings of evergreen shrubs.

Giving gifts and Santa Clause- Gifts were given during the winter solstice for good luck. In addition the Norse traditions of Odin’s gift and punishment. They gave gifts throughout the winter, which evolved into St. Nicholas and Kris Kringle presents for children.

Christmas Day- Guess what day the winter Solstice was on, yes Christmas December 25. December 25th was also considered the birth of the Persian sun god Mithras. So the church choose December 25 to make it easer to convert the pagans.

Yule logs- The men of ancient religions would go out and find the largest log they could to bring home for the winter solstice or Yule festival.

Twelve Days of Christmas- Yule logs were burned, and they were supposed to be large enough that they burned for twelve days. This was the foundation of the twelve days of Christmas after Christianity was introduced.

Of course there are many more traditions that I have not covered here. It’s interesting to see how different religions are so similar.

I would also like to spark a discussion about why people spend heaps on money when this holiday is supposed to be about Jesus and family (any other comments welcome)? Do you think this holiday is forced on us like the Christian religion? Why celebrate it if it does not celebrate Jesus and no one knows when he was born?




the christmas tree came from germans who were once mercenaries for British, but settled down in america after the revolutionary war.

freakin athiests try to convert christmas as a normal holiday just like how they converted the holdiay thanksgiving (national prayer day) into a "family holiday"


I don't think atheist made christmas or thanksgiving a normal holiday


LOL
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I thought the presents were because the 3 wise men who visited Jesus gave him gifts.
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Christianity is based off of the worship of the sun,which means Christ himself is a pagan figure.


Christianity was based off of Jewdism and Jesus.How is Christs a pagan figure? peace over war
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raja613 wrote:

Many people look at pagan religions and think that they were devil worshipers or just plain crazy people, but did you know that most Christmas traditions come from these pagan religions and that the pentacle was not a sign of the devil, but a sign of something mystical and magical. Now don’t take that the wrong way. It’s a good symbol, not a bad one.

What Christmas traditions do we get from these pagan religions:

The Christmas tree- There was an ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. During the Roman celebration of the feast of Saturnalia, Pagans did decorate their houses with clippings of evergreen shrubs.

Giving gifts and Santa Clause- Gifts were given during the winter solstice for good luck. In addition the Norse traditions of Odin’s gift and punishment. They gave gifts throughout the winter, which evolved into St. Nicholas and Kris Kringle presents for children.

Christmas Day- Guess what day the winter Solstice was on, yes Christmas December 25. December 25th was also considered the birth of the Persian sun god Mithras. So the church choose December 25 to make it easer to convert the pagans.

Yule logs- The men of ancient religions would go out and find the largest log they could to bring home for the winter solstice or Yule festival.

Twelve Days of Christmas- Yule logs were burned, and they were supposed to be large enough that they burned for twelve days. This was the foundation of the twelve days of Christmas after Christianity was introduced.

Of course there are many more traditions that I have not covered here. It’s interesting to see how different religions are so similar.

I would also like to spark a discussion about why people spend heaps on money when this holiday is supposed to be about Jesus and family (any other comments welcome)? Do you think this holiday is forced on us like the Christian religion? Why celebrate it if it does not celebrate Jesus and no one knows when he was born?




Because to many it is not a religious holiday, especially in Japan.Even Christians dont celebrate Christmas religiously anymore.Its just a time to have fun and make money off of people.It may have started off as a religious holiday, but it got currupted somehow.The same thing goes for Easter- pagan traditions pretty much took out all of the Christianity out of it.Instead of being about the resurrection of Christ, its about bunnys and eggs representing sex and reproduction.peace over war
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Lol wow religion must be pretty hypocritical, but it's no suprise. Alot of religions are against each other anyways which would explain the crusades. I wonder if they're going to have another since alot of wars actually kinda connect with race or religion at some way.


no, religion isnt hypocritical, its just run by hypocritical people. Most religions are not against each other anymore, this isnt the year 534 AD. The crusades are over and were more political then religious. Wars are connected with humanity.Most wars were fought over power and land rather then God and pride.And Christmas is no longer a religious holiday. peace over war
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