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Is the average stay at home mom's work really worth $138,095 a year?
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Posted 7/23/07
And up steps the professional Mom to make her case!!

The government offers a "Child Tax Credit", and has abolished the tax credits for dependants. This means that my husband can not claim the children on his taxes, and the Gov't gives us an "allowance" each month to help off-set the cost of rasing children. It is directly related to our income. Although we don't feel like it, we are classified as "low income" (we need to make at least $65,000/yr to be middle class). The gov't also introduced (just last year) a universal child care bonus...$100/child/month...this is for EVERY child under the age of 6, regardless of income.

I recieve just over $1100 per month with these credits. This almost pays our mortgage.

In order for me to put my children into day/after school care (I researched it) it would cost me approx $4000 per month...with subsidy. In order to make the $4000, plus the lost credit of $1100 each month, I would have to make well over $10,000 each month, to cover taxes. That is just to cover what I get to stay home. That is a serious chunk of change...not including the cost of transportation, uniforms (I work in the medical field...or at least I used to), lunches, and other miscellaneous costs associated with my work (keeping my CPR up to date, further education, etc). Those are the real numbers.

As a full time mother, I am on call 24 hours a day...7 days a week...I do not get "holidays", or weekends off. I do the most disgusting jobs that no one else would touch, excpet nurses...changing poopy diapers, cleaning vomit, changing pee soaked beds, dealing with blood on a DAILY basis (my twins are very prone to nosebleeds...bad ones). My van is one seat short of needing a Bus licence to drive it (that's not an exageration... I drive a 15 passenger...16 passengers are busses), I cook, clean, answer questions, plan schedules, take messages, and a million other little things every day.

I am not allowed to open a day home, and get paid for looking after other children, because I already have more than the legal limit, just in my own children. No day care, or pre school has a 6:1 ratio, the government won't allow it.

If you took my wage from before I stopped working outside the home.and factor in the increase in cost of living, I would be making roughly $22-25/hour...times 24 hours each day...times 365 days /year, don't forget overtime (anything over 44 hours/week is time and a half), and holidays (double time)...do the math for yourself...I get approx $266,000/year
Posted 7/23/07
of course not. It's not worth any money the world has.
Posted 7/23/07

The 10 jobs listed as comprising a mother's work were housekeeper, cook, day care center teacher, laundry machine operator, van driver, facilities manager, janitor, computer operator, chief executive officer and psychologist, it said.


I think that's rediculous. The average working mother does all those things too. Just because she works she gets no credit for them?
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Whoa!! my mom was a working mother, and she most certainly did NOT do those things. WE did...we did the cleaning, we did the cooking as soon as we were old enough, we did our own laundry as soon as we could reach the machine,

I resented the heck out of it. I needed my mother, and she simply wasn't there for me. I'm pretty sure most of us can say the same...

That is where you get value for your "dollar"...I chose to stay home...I chose the large family...I chose to give up my career for my children...because they are worth it. I am multiplying my worth in society by 6, by raising children who know they have value, who have someone they know they can go to with their problems, knowing that I am there for them, and they are worth more than my "career".

I never had that. My mother chose her career over me...she chose the trips, the jewelry, the cars... all of it...over her children.

The money she earned wasn't worth the price we paid. (off-topic, i know, sorry mods)
Posted 7/23/07
^ I can't really imput my opinion on what it's like to have a working mother, because my mother is in a way both a working mother and a stay at home mom. She runs a daycare at our house, and because of it I have gained a lot of expeirence in childcare while working for her. I love children, and can't wait to have children of my own. My mom is there for me, even though she is extremely busy. She doesn't pick her career over me, yet she is a working mother.

Also, isn't it a good thing you did those things together? I don't know how to use a laundry machine, I'm not good at cleaning, I can't cook very well. If I had learned all those things from the beginning, I wouldn't struggle with learning them right now. I wouldn't be the lazy person I am now. I would also probally be more helpful around the house, and my mother wouldn't be as stressed out.
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Weeelll, there's no reason why you can't start now, learning how to do these things...

*edit...re-read the last few posts...by WE, I meant me, and my siblings. Not my mom...she did her laundry, and that's about it. She didn't get up with us during the night (not if she could help it), she didn't ask about our day, she didn't ... she didn't do a lot of things. My worldly needs were met, but I still have a lot of pain and 'issues' regarding my emotional abandonment...especially since she didnt HAVE to go...she chose to. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Some working mothers can make a career and children work, but mine couldn't, and neither could I...we just made different choices about what was most important to us.

If we want to get into the whole "working from home" deal, then we could really bounce off topic.

My basic point was that although I don't get "paid" for my job, not is cash dollars, it is a priceless thing that I do. You can put a dollar figure on the actual work, and it's a pretty high number...136, 000 is cheap compared to some of the other quotes I've heard, but there is no price that can possibly be put on how valuable my work is. Conversely, there is no job that pays enough to make me leave my children in someone elses hands all day, to go to another job.

For those of you who choose a career, I say, if you can make it work, then good on ya, cuz I couldn't.

Bear in mind that most people don't "fast-track" their families like we did...6 pre-schoolers is a BIG job. Now that my youngest is almost old enough for pre-school, I'm looking at Uni, myself. I want to contrubute more, I want to share my talents, and I want to make a difference. Once my children are in school full time, I will be able to look at a career more closely, and by the time they are done school, I should be too.
Posted 7/23/07
^ I do think it's great that you're giving all your time to your six kids. That is a lot of work. My mom takes care of 10 kids everyday from 6am to 6pm, and then has me and my brother to deal with. I know how hard it is for her, I can only imagine how hard it is for you.

I am learning how to do these things. I just get so frustrated, none of what I do is perfect enough for my mom. I'm getting there.
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Posted 7/23/07
LOL...it was never good enough for my mom either...so I know how you feel.

I'm surprised you mom is allowed to look after that many children. Our child care laws wouldn't allow it. Your mom sure does have a big job, and my hat is off to her!

(I hope you get to read this b4 the mods delete it for being WAAAYYY off-topic) 8)
Posted 7/23/07
Yes, it is getting off-topic. I'm sorry SeraphAlford!
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Posted 7/26/07
$138,095...in USD... let's see ... that's about AUD178,000 give or take. No, she isn't worth that much. I say this as someone who was a stay at home mum for 18 years (and am now back to doing that because I don't have a job any more).

It is meaningless to add up all the professions that the mum replaces, because she is performing a labour of love. If you paid a taxi driver to drive the kids around for example, it is a business contract between you and the driver. The mum does it because she wants her kids to get to school/karate/swimming etc. Also, particularly in the case of teacher, psychologist etc, professional qualifications are involved. The average mum doesn't have them. In her role as a psychologist for example, she couldn't apply her experience/knowledge to another family and get paid psycologist rates.

Perhaps the fundamental problem with this kind of outlook is that it tries to place a monetary value on something that just can't be looked at in terms of finances only. You've heard the term priceless? Money just can't buy what a mother does.

In Australia there is a "parenting payment" from the Federal Government. It is a token payment, and certainly shouldn't be used as a measure of a mum's worth. It is also means tested against her and her partner's income. ie if you work outside the home you get nothing. If your husband/partner earns above a certain amount, you get nothing. If you are a single mum you get about AUD530 per fortnight for a mum with 2 children and no other income.

Finally, would anyone attempt to value their dad in terms of his salary alone? Of course not, so I don't know why there is an attempt to evaluate mums this way.
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Posted 7/26/07
Based on what my mom did to raise me and my brother, she deserves every cent of that paycheck, if not more. I've seen people in the working world earn more than that and do half the work that is expected of a stay at home mom/dad.
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Posted 7/26/07
Key word in your post (^) what is EXPECTED . Yes they do all that junk possibly more, not my mom more my brothers, but the thing is no one said raising a kid was easy. If you can't do that junk then don't have kids or dish them off to the babysitter after they reach age 2, or what ever age you can. Living on your own you do all the excact same things, yes even teacher daycare and psycologist if you have friends like mine. On your own you can add in accountant. I dont think van driver should be in there at all. I'm sorry but the stay at home mom is over rated. When the kids hit school age they aren't home anyway, and if they have somewhere to be usally its after the husband is off work so he can also drive. Not to mention what are you doing before your a stay at home mom? Your a stay at home wife? Sitting on your ass watching soap operas.
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Posted 11/29/07
whats the point of having a child if your not going to raise it
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Posted 11/29/07
it's true, because if u think about it, she's doing all the day care, the house keeping, the cooking, an other stuff. maid, cook, and a babysitter can all moke a lot of money, all this adds up...
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Posted 11/29/07
I thought there wouldn't be much trouble if theres no child (I'm not denying my existance -_- ). Since the society now is more like the females getting more career-minded than man... And since theres a recent saying that females are normally more capable than men in work. Females would not really have to end up been a housewife without children.
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