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Revisiting Crunchyroll after several months; impressed by improvements and business model!
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we will...we will..lurve crunchyroll..lurve crunchyroll...
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I believe streaming Anime should be a viable option for both the anime producer and the Anime consumer.

You know we re-sparked my Anime interest? Not the Anime channel, not Cartoon Network, or a bittorent of a new series.

I ran into an newer old Anime:

Naruto

Know where? XBOX LIVE!

Here is the kicker: It was subtitled!

I watched one episode and I found it refreshing to have a choice of subtitled Anime in an easily accessible form.


I had heard about Crunchyroll from an Anime News Network post and thought I would give it a shot.

So here I am, having a good time just being on the forums. I have subscribed for the monthly service (@ $6.95/month) and will see how it goes.

I wish CR the best of luck in it's endeavors and hope that they, and we are able to enjoy the a future with Anime!

Posted 12/13/08
Yes, I agree with what you've said. It's dumb to separate an anime to a lot of parts and sell out. It isn't cheap and who will be willing to buy it? I'm glad you came back, cr is losing old souls. Anyway, I'm quite excited about cr bringing back the once licensed animes, some of them are my favourites of all time.
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Its actually quite inspiring the business model CR put up with the idea of licensed-online media-distribution as opposed to the traditional Bittorent or P2P user transfers for anime ( which were annoying as hell). Atleast anime producers are starting to realize the importance of a easily distributable form of media for income as opposed to dvd sales and craptastic commercialling through Foreign Tv Station like FOX( lol at FOX). I gotta tell ya, crunchyroll has taken huge strides, been here since the days that it was merely a college-student's work(don't exactly remember but it has been atleast 2-3 years)and now into an actual internet empire.
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stareye_pink wrote:

Yes, I agree with what you've said. It's dumb to separate an anime to a lot of parts and sell out. It isn't cheap and who will be willing to buy it?


On the other end of the spectrum, it's because people do buy it, despite its price. The packaging of only a few episodes in a single DVD is to the benefit of higher quality videos (a single episode of 24 minutes in a DVD can range from 700MB to a little over 1 GB - compare this to the average 200MB size of .avi fansub releases or 300MB .mkv fansub releases) plus other extras that pretty much serve as fillers.

Most anime DVD releases had 3 episodes per DVD, but newer releases now are coming with 2 per DVD ~ which kinda makes things more expensive. The only incentive I've seen by most producers is to include freebies, such as figurines and posters with the DVD purchase. Though this only makes it enticing for the hardcore fan... that and the fact that this makes sense more to the Japanese market, where the DVDs usually come out after the show has finished airing (or a month or two, depending on the length of the series).

Bottom line is, the Anime industry is pretty much set in Japan, but when it comes for expansion in a global scale, the current efforts simply don't cut it. Truth of the matter be told, the Anime industry is rather "niche" in the American perspective, but huge when you think of the world, as a whole. Current licensing companies efforts to legally distribute anime falls short to the expectations of anime fans beyond their scope, so it's great to see some sort of "global" effort being achieved to distribute anime legally.

Although this sounds good, at the moment, we'll have to see if this will all really just coalesce as a whole. I'm hoping it will ~ and if it does, that buys the anime industry a few more years before it might suddenly just fall apart. Sadly, that's the path that anime will have to take if distribution issues take a turn for the worse. I'm hoping it doesn't.
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Interesting that Crunchyroll has investors. Does this mean that Crunchyroll is a company now? Are you allowed to disclose who your investors are?

Any site related to the distribution of fansubs is traditionally associated with piracy. I've seen some people on anime forums calling Crunchyroll a piracy site, though some of them had to change their minds after reading about your licensing deal with producers. What's your view on Crunchyroll's current reputation?

Please pardon me if my questions go too far. I just really want to know how Crunchyroll operates and how you guys want to move forward from this point.
Posted 12/14/08
It's too long .
Posted 12/14/08 , edited 12/14/08
it's revolutionary, and might end up being a good inspiration for other websites, companies, etc.

at first i was a bit sceptic about the many changes happening here on cr, also i was worried that cr might start to ask for fees just so that you can actually watch a video at all, but luckily i was wrong, it's just being delayed by 7 days for non-starmembers, which is in my opinion a decent alternative.

my respect to the CR's bosses who managed to find an intelligible way of how to give their website a better outlook on its future.

i just feel sorry that due to this past few changes, company fusions, etc. the fansub subculture which always played an important role in an anime addict's life is slowly but certainly "disappearing".
i mean without them we'd all have been bound to dvd releases, or raw, and might have needed to invest some money into japanese language courses if we'd be too impatient to wait for the legal translations.

even though their activities could be considered "illegal" they were and still are our primary source when it comes to anime.

they made it possible for people from all over the world to get introduced to the japanese anime/manga culture and make us love it or hate it.

my respect to the people who formed the fansubbing subculture and have been actively promoting and evoking people's interest in japan and it's culture for over the past few decades.

i strongly believe that without the fansubbing organisations the word anime would have never reached most of today's anime fans. and i am sure that this would have been a great loss for all of us anime fans and anime companies. ;P

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Posted 12/14/08

FooBarWidget wrote:


I believe that CR's investors have been disclosed in the news, but I'm not in any position to outrightly announce which one's they are. Besides that, yes, CR is technically a company now, and it has a structure (to a certain extent).

As far as CR's reputation is concerned, it's a matter of reshaping. The original purpose of CR was really to just bring "asian videos to the masses". Besides the anime, there are also many asian related media on the site that made it a hub for people who are interested in asian media. Despite this, CR had a big effect on the anime industry with its streaming of fan-subbed content. Initially, the beef that people had with the site was really by the means of which CR tried to control Bandwidth issues by allowing only payed members to view videos in HQ format. However, with the removal of this policy, the beef of complaints against CR had lessened to a considerable extent.

Besides, if it's a matter of questioning the CR intent as far as streaming is concerned, I believe the "truth" behind can be seen with the general direction that the site is trying to make ~ to allow a LEGAL means of streaming content online for people around the world.

However, I believe that the endeavor is derailing from the original idea of the site only in the sense that it is too anime-centric, as opposed to the general "asian-media" focus that it had in the early days. That said, there should also be attempts to try and bring other forms of asian media, specifically drama and music, to the level of which the advances in anime are doing on the site, as we see today.


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It was a necessary evil, to a certain extent, but there have been many arguments as far as whether or not fansubbers were really engaging in something that could be considered "piracy".

Despite this, I owe my thanks to many of them for the hard work that they do. For many reasons, it truly IS because of them that I have learned much regarding the Japanese culture.

But to solve this problem, CR is currently trying to incorporate a fansub service by allowing people to upload their own fansubs in languages besides english. It looks like a great way to cut down subbing costs by distributors, especially for titles that are relatively obscure and lack the budget to have their episodes subbed within broadcast time.

There are many opportunities for CR at the moment, but I just hope that CR will take things at a nice and easy pace, and avoid getting caught up in all of the advances that are happening. As it stands, I believe the main problem lies in the fact that a large chunk of the users that access the site aren't in the age group capable of paying for the services of the site. Despite how you may reason that it is a small price to pay, young users are at the mercy of their parents who might not be willing to allow purchase of online services via their credit cards. CR, in my opinion, needs to make options for older populations by enhancing more than just the anime video content of the site. Truth be told ~ the real target market is those that have the money, and that includes the relatively older viewing population. How CR plans to target them is probably something that should be thought of more carefully.
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Posted 12/14/08

edsamac wrote:


stareye_pink wrote:

Yes, I agree with what you've said. It's dumb to separate an anime to a lot of parts and sell out. It isn't cheap and who will be willing to buy it?


On the other end of the spectrum, it's because people do buy it, despite its price. The packaging of only a few episodes in a single DVD is to the benefit of higher quality videos (a single episode of 24 minutes in a DVD can range from 700MB to a little over 1 GB - compare this to the average 200MB size of .avi fansub releases or 300MB .mkv fansub releases) plus other extras that pretty much serve as fillers.


Aye. Aye.



A pity that it's being pirated.
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BrylleNoGotoku, piracy will exist no matter what. There will always be people who don't want to buy things, and you can't stop them. I'm a software developer and I too have to deal with piracy. Over the years I've found that fighting pirates is a futile exercise. It's better to focus on the money that you can get rather than on the money you cannot. You haven't lost any revenue because real pirates weren't going to pay you anyway.

Besides the pirates, there's a huge number of people who are willing to pay some money, though not a lot. Stop wasting time and attention on the pirates and start focusing the people who are willing to pay.

Edsamac: Agreed. As for your investors, they have indeed been mentioned in the news before: http://venturebeat.com/2008/02/28/crunchyroll-the-anime-sharing-site-raises-4m/
Most of the immediate responses that I've found are in the line of "wtf" and "they're illegal". It is said that production companies such as Bandai and Toei posted on their blogs that sites like Crunchyroll will kill the anime industry.

But in my opinion, all of those people are not only missing the point, but they're also acting way too emotional and unprofessional. I believe the anime companies can make a lot more money if only they'd drop this anti-piracy/anti-online/anti-fansub mentality. Crunchyroll provides what I want, namely low-cost and high-quality streamed media, and therefore I am willing to pay for it. I'm not willing to pay for the production companies' old-fashioned way of doing things. As businessmen they should realize that there's a potentially huge business opportunity here.

In other words, drop the holy cows and start innovating.
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Posted 12/14/08 , edited 12/14/08

FooBarWidget wrote:

BrylleNoGotoku, piracy will exist no matter what. There will always be people who don't want to buy things, and you can't stop them. I'm a software developer and I too have to deal with piracy. Over the years I've found that fighting pirates is a futile exercise. It's better to focus on the money that you can get rather than on the money you cannot. You haven't lost any revenue because real pirates weren't going to pay you anyway.

Besides the pirates, there's a huge number of people who are willing to pay some money, though not a lot. Stop wasting time and attention on the pirates and start focusing the people who are willing to pay.


Agreed. In the end, everything just depends on the marketing strategies to use. There really are a lot of big factors that somehow discourages people in supporting the industry. I believe that if the company were to find an effective and gentle way to handle it, piracy might subside (but not totally gone). I, as a student from Philippines, feels the difficulty of obtaining what I wish to have. I wish to support the company and use fansubs as a sample video. However, I feel helpless by the fact that my allowance is not that high. I wish to work to have money, but I am a busy guy at my college. The other problem would be because there are tons of pirated CDs here in the Philippines that I feel discourage in buying DVDs here. If only there are any good alternatives for me to get the DVD, I would do it. However, I am unfortunate. In addition, I believe that my parents wouldn't allow me to waste a lot of money reaching thousands just for a DVD with 2-3 episodes. Again, I lack independence. There are too many people like me who wishes to buy and support, but can't. The only thing that can help us is for the industry to also focus on its overseas fans (which is like a fleeting dream). Sigh... Even if fansubbing were to be proven as piracy, I have no choice but to watch them since I don't want to quit this hobby.

Adults sure have it good...

Leave the piracy issue to the countries.
Posted 12/14/08 , edited 12/14/08

edsamac wrote:

There are many opportunities for CR at the moment, but I just hope that CR will take things at a nice and easy pace, and avoid getting caught up in all of the advances that are happening. As it stands, I believe the main problem lies in the fact that a large chunk of the users that access the site aren't in the age group capable of paying for the services of the site. Despite how you may reason that it is a small price to pay, young users are at the mercy of their parents who might not be willing to allow purchase of online services via their credit cards. CR, in my opinion, needs to make options for older populations by enhancing more than just the anime video content of the site. Truth be told ~ the real target market is those that have the money, and that includes the relatively older viewing population. How CR plans to target them is probably something that should be thought of more carefully.


ah yes, that's what i think too, it should make this website a little more adult friendly. just by looking at the forum style and the very few forum sections that make it hard for adults to get themselves involved into this forum shows how much this website is one-sided. i mean, i'd wish there'd be more subsections for each main section.
for example subsections in the ED sections such as religion, philosophy, etc. to make everything look a bit more tidier and also simpler for people to find their beloved discussion material; philosophers, culture-philes, etc...

like this it makes it hard to find a topic you'd like to discuss about because quite frankly, who wants to browse through hundreds of pages just to find one topic that meets the user's interests - mental direction.

= please, more subsections in this forum!

and yes, drama, and music are also an important matter that shouldn't be underestimated, also it's the section that attracts the most adults - people who are able and may be willing to pay for the services.
but i believe that it takes time to get everything organised like that, and to get into contact with the right companies which would be willing to fuse with cr and provide us with their stuff. (instead of just anime member you can choose between drama member, anime member, music member, lol)

cr made a big step with getting the anime companies on its side, and in the future it might also focus on drama and music...but it will take time; to put everything under one hat is not that easy as it may sound.

but it's an important step that should be considered since it's the older folks who tend to have the money to support this website, and not some school kids.

also, i thought that it would be good if cr would address the parents directly(through their child), and catch their interest and make them more willing to pay for their child's hobby; anime.

take it as a helper for the kid to convince its parents to pay for cr ;P

cr should take the initiative and address younger members to convince their parents to take a look at this website, make them gain trust and willing to pay.

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better believe it
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lol..its very long..

and im also like you, i stopped coming here for some reasons and decided to come back after 5 months..it really changed, neh?!
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