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I always support anime i like, just like bleach, lucky star, haruhi and others. But there is a GREAT chance toradora will not see the light of day here in the US with a dubbed version. Plus its not even licensed yet, the OP is just speculating because sites have taken it down. VEOH and others like youtube have them up still.
Posted 12/18/08

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I always support anime i like, just like bleach, lucky star, haruhi and others. But there is a GREAT chance toradora will not see the light of day here in the US with a dubbed version. Plus its not even licensed yet, the OP is just speculating because sites have taken it down. VEOH and others like youtube have them up still.

Veoh and Youtube are video streaming site that depend on user-submit contents just like crunchyroll, and just like all "safe habors" that adhere the DMCA, they too must obey the official C & D take down notice when it reached them.
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All im saying is who cares.

Im gonna support my anime, if its not comming here, i'll buy the merch. But if you wanna check them out, scrapetorrent has them pretty quick
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I'm not bothered using torrents... they take up all of my laptops memory... so I'll just have to scour around the internet and find one...lol
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Read at your own risk, but it will calm you down until next weeks episode lol
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what happens to people who can't afford to buy it?
tough luck for us?
I guess I'm not a 'true' fan if I watch fansubs
Posted 12/18/08

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All im saying is who cares.

Im gonna support my anime, if its not comming here, i'll buy the merch. But if you wanna check them out, scrapetorrent has them pretty quick

Even when you buy the Toradora! related merchandises, you're not supporting the production company and the anime studios that made the Toradora! anime series. Because they aren't the ones who own the copyright of the original Toradora! stories, character designs, soundtracks, and artworks. And you'll still be stealing from them when you illegally download illegitimate Toradora! fansubs.



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I'm not bothered using torrents... they take up all of my laptops memory... so I'll just have to scour around the internet and find one...lol

No use wasting time trying to look for what's not there, when internet streaming sites are being told to take down illegitimate fansubs by the copyright holders and their licensing agents.
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Yes video streaming sites, torrent sites no. Torrent sites still stream bleach naruto ect anime. Scrapetorrent .com and torrentreactor .com will always have them, so no need to look hard.


Also, why should i support a company that wont have an anime dubbed? By buying the merch that the studio puts out, you support the cast of the anime and show your faith. Thats why i buy the cds, the music and the drama cds, also the light novels and manga. So i support the ORIGINAL creators.
Posted 12/18/08

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what happens to people who can't afford to buy it?
tough luck for us?
I guess I'm not a 'true' fan if I watch fansubs

Correct. Because I for one never heard of illegitimate fansub fans truly support the anime industry, when all they care about is their greedy instant self-gratification.

And are the licensed anime DVD really expensive these days? I'm getting mine for less than $40 per whole series through reliable online purchase. And I'm getting free-shipping with group purchase with my friends.
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Read at your own risk, but it will calm you down until next weeks episode lol


where did you read the manga? i always wanted to read it but i couldn´t find many chapters?And how many are out in the moment?


can´t wait any longer



Posted 12/18/08

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Yes video streaming sites, torrent sites no. Torrent sites still stream bleach naruto ect anime. Scrapetorrent .com and torrentreactor .com will always have them, so no need to look hard.


Also, why should i support a company that wont have an anime dubbed? By buying the merch that the studio puts out, you support the cast of the anime and show your faith. Thats why i buy the cds, the music and the drama cds, also the light novels and manga. So i support the ORIGINAL creators.

The anime studio J.C. Staff is the copyright holder of Toradora! the anime series, however they are not the original creators nor the licensee of Toradora!

Toradora! originally was a light novel written by Yuyuko Takemiya, with characters designed by Yasu, and published by ASCII Media Works, a subsidiary company of the Kadokawa Group Holdings. Therefore the story, setting, and script belong to the copyright holder, Yuyuko Takemiya. While the character designs and artworks belong to the copyright holder, Yasu. And the licensing right of all those intellectual properties belong to Kadokawa Group Holdings, who own ASCII Media Works that published the light novels since March 10, 2006. Kadokawa Group Holdings then financed the production of Toradora! the animated TV series to be aired on TV Tokyo network, which then subcontracted out the animation production to J.C. Staff, and made the anime series licensed for release on TV Tokyo network on October 2, 2008.

That's why none of your Toradora! related merchandises support J.C Staff, because the studio was not the original creators.
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I own vol 1-7 of the light novel, thats not supporting the original owner of the show? I dont really care either way, im just letting everyone know you dont have to wait to watch it if you download it. Unethical or not. I support Yuyuko Takemiya, the person who came up with the whole idea of this show. If not for this person, there would be NO toradora! anime. Supporting the creator supports the whole deal and not a single person can say other wise
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veryn wrote:





Read at your own risk, but it will calm you down until next weeks episode lol


where did you read the manga? i always wanted to read it but i couldn´t find many chapters?And how many are out in the moment?


can´t wait any longer








Posted 12/18/08

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threnagyn wrote:

As many of you know, usually we get to watch a series when it comes out, but after a while it becomes licensed. I've noticed that lately Toradora videos are being removed everywhere (veoh, anilinkz, youtube, you name it). Many of us know how hard it is to find a website that will stream a licensed popular anime. That topped with the fact that crunchyroll's fan subs are going away does not make a good combination.

Simply put, If you want to see past episode 14 (thats right before the time Crunchyroll is getting rid of them), I suggest you learn how download torrents in the mean time. The torrents will still be available. Otherwise you may be relying on them bringing the DVDs or TV shows to your country (probably will not happen).


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threnagyn wrote:

Simply put, If you want to see past episode 14 (thats right before the time Crunchyroll is getting rid of them), I suggest you learn how download torrents in the mean time. The torrents will still be available. Otherwise you may be relying on them bringing the DVDs or TV shows to your country (probably will not happen).


I'm not trying to be a dick, but come on, it's 2008. People should know how to torrent by now. Those who don't REALLY need to catch up. As threnagyn says, it will most likely be the only convenient way to view the series in the near future. Plus, those who torrent right now generally get episodes hours before it is uploaded on Crunchyroll.


killar wrote:

Yeah in this day and age everyone should know or learn how to torrent. I don't know for sure but there is a slight chance that Toradora's license holders will allow it to be streamed on cr after the 8th. Until then we just have to wait and see.

But honestly don't be hopeful, learn how to torrent now.


RISEOFATOMSK wrote:

...i dont know who to uses torrents...no need. but hey, it cant be hard! lmao, im mean seriously if there a need, ill figure it out.





skyMcWeeds wrote:

torrents are very easy to use.
I usually use them to dl batches of eps or a whole series.


Tekkei wrote:

Well, for those who don't know how to use torrents, they can always ask for help. But really it isn't that hard unless you're trying to do advanced stuff with it, and even that stuff you can find tutorials for. Port-forwarding and TCP limits, I mean. :/

If anyone needs help with torrents, though, I can help.


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threnagyn wrote:

As many of you know, usually we get to watch a series when it comes out, but after a while it becomes licensed. I've noticed that lately Toradora videos are being removed everywhere (veoh, anilinkz, youtube, you name it). Many of us know how hard it is to find a website that will stream a licensed popular anime. That topped with the fact that crunchyroll's fan subs are going away does not make a good combination.

Simply put, If you want to see past episode 14 (thats right before the time Crunchyroll is getting rid of them), I suggest you learn how download torrents in the mean time. The torrents will still be available. Otherwise you may be relying on them bringing the DVDs or TV shows to your country (probably will not happen).


I know how to torrent ofcourse since i torrented *COUGH* every Game/movie i have *Cough* But look my internet became really slow these days so it really takes time to download 1-2 days per epi So i dunno Isnt there any place Else?



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If its gonna be like this we need some links to other places that still stream licensed animes, cause its hard for me to torrent since my computer is a moody piece of junk.

no doubt other people also have problems with the download option, like for instance some internet companies put a limit on the amount of internet usage and charge a crapload if you go over the limit *cough* rogers *cough*. Thats only one of the problems with downloading anime.

Or you can all stop stealing from the anime production J.C. Staff by downloading illegal copyright infringed illegitimate fansubs of Toradora! And help support crunchyroll with licensing Toradora!: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-411791/Crunchyroll-CEO-Making-Online-Anime-Pay.html?src=topbar

And yes, Toradora! the anime is copyrighted by J.C. Staff and licensed by Kadokawa Group Holdings, the Japanese corporate publishing company. Therefore it was none other than the Japanese anime industries themselves who made the anime series in the first place that file the C & D take down. As per outlined by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), only the copyright holders and their legal agents can file cease & desist take down notice. Not some rubbish chump like this one claimed:

veryn wrote:

I hate to break it to you but sites like crunchyroll and anime suki are a bunch of wimps. I can draw up an offical looking cease and desist, send it to crunchy roll claiming I licenced an anime, and they take it down. scrapetorrent.com is all you need along with utorrent. Hell, go to bleachexile.com and they will have them, they wont take them down.

So when you are a true fan of the Toradora! anime, you'll support the people who made the series by watching legitimate copyrighted & licensed episodes. Otherwise you'll be just like the internet fansub groups who steal form the anime industry, by downloading the illegitimate copyright & licensing infringed fansubs. Because anime studios, production companies, and the rest of the anime industries don't get paid for stolen goods.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahhahahaahahha

No offence but Ure wasting text?

Cause Everyone here Aint gonna get it the legitamate way

Look if they sold every episode in my building for 5 $ per episode SURE i would buy it But heck for starters they only show it in japan, japanese one isnt subbed
And I dont got a credit card so How the hell am i supposed to Buy them??
And if i could pay cash to anime makers i would save 1/2 my allowance just for that!

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Oh my god, lol. I love this so-called true fan vs. self-gratifying fan outrageous bullshit.
Dude, you make some good points, whoever you are, but not everybody has the money nor the means to go around buying shit from other countries in the case an anime isn't licensed. And even when it does come to America, it still isn't cheap, and some people will still not have access to it merely because of something so simple as their location.

Get out of here with all your holier-than-thou self-righteous bullshit. Your little tirade is going nowhere. No matter how many laws and rules and codes and name-calls you throw out, you're not going to convince anyone at a site that streams fansubbed anime. You're wasting your time.
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