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RpGJuNki3 wrote:

hahaha dammmmmmm dby2k

This is sick!! thnx man!!!

aye how exactly do you use Onion knights Ex?
i kinda jst push random shit till i get i hear the accepted noise?...xP

-RpGJuNki3


I really don't wanna make an EX guide so I'll just tell you Onion Knight's. If he enters EX Burst in Sage mode, you have to select the MAGIC skill list and select Holy.
If you enter EX Burst in Ninja mode, you need to select THROW skill list and choose Shuriken(icon of shuriken, simple enough).

So in Sage mode, you will end up with Holy -> Meteor [ホーリー(Holy) → メテオ(Meteor)]
In Ninja mode, you will end up with Shuriken Throw -> Backattack [しゅりけん(Shuriken) → バックアタックだ!(Backattack!)]

If you still have trouble, enable Auto Ex Command skill in your support skill list. Then let the AI do it for you.

This is as detailed as I can tell you about Onion Knight's EX mode.


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--!!! Don't insult my main! (Squall)


Notice how all the Fanboy Characters such as Cloud, Tidus and Squall (With the exception of Sephiroth and AC Cloud), have their Final Form Weapons as their EX mode. Isn't that lame? They could have just equipped it in the beginning. Logic people.

A true EX mode is when you change job classes, master a job class, transform, merge with a stronger being, CONTROL TIME. Just my 2 cents lol.

In other news~
I have like 13 Shantotto videos pending approval.
When executing Shantotto's Ex Burst, the way to raise the damage is to Laugh with her as she totally outclasses the opponent. (j/k)

Scenario, why I want Gilgamesh to be in the game~
Gilgamesh:
Enough expository banter!
Now we fight like men! (Look at Jecht and ONLY Jecht)
And ladies! (Looks at Tina)
And ladies who dress like men! (Looks at Cecil and Kuja)
For Gilgamesh...it is morphing time!"




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It's Maji Kayo or マジかよ which is informal (it's an incomplete phrase). It stands for "You sure?" and "You've gotta be kidding". It's a very common phrase in Japanese white collar offices. Everyone loathes overtime.


Uwow!..Ahahaha..
I guess i kinda nearly hit the nail there...
>o<...
But thanks..xD...ohh...
how'd you know?..
u understnd jap?..
if u do, is it ok if u translate the things that these
characters mostly say in battles..?..x']?
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dby2k wrote:

Notice how all the Fanboy Characters such as Cloud, Tidus and Squall (With the exception of Sephiroth and AC Cloud), have their Final Form Weapons as their EX mode. Isn't that lame? They could have just equipped it in the beginning. Logic people.


Hmm...that is indeed true..
but it ain't lame..>_<..
I just don't see anything wrong with their final form weapons
as their exmode..
i mean...
What do you expect to be their Exmodes?
It's called, "Being unique" man..
SQUARE did their best to make this game
unique as possible...
and if i have to judge..
they sorta did..x']

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LunarReplicator08 wrote:

Uwow!..Ahahaha..
I guess i kinda nearly hit the nail there...
>o<...
But thanks..xD...ohh...
how'd you know?..
u understnd jap?..
if u do, is it ok if u translate the things that these
characters mostly say in battles..?..x']?

The last time I did this for Rengou vs Zaft Portable, no one even cared about it.


LunarReplicator08 wrote:
Hmm...that is indeed true..
but it ain't lame..>_<..
I just don't see anything wrong with their final form weapons
as their exmode..
i mean...
What do you expect to be their Exmodes?
It's called, "Being unique" man..
SQUARE did their best to make this game
unique as possible...
and if i have to judge..
they sorta did..x']


Well uhh...

Squall could...junction something like Ultimecia?
Cloud could...use some high level materia?
Tidus could start crying or something. He always does that. Wimp. Self-proclaimed newbie.
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dby2k wrote:

Well uhh...

Squall could...junction something like Ultimecia?
Cloud could...use some high level materia?
Tidus could start crying or something. He always does that. Wimp. Self-proclaimed newbie.


about Cloud & squall, err...what junction & what materia then?..
Nothin man..>__<..
It just doesn't fit it for some reason...
I find it cool the way as it is..x']
At first low-leveled weapon, then EXmode: FINAL WEAPON..
it ain't that bad ain't it..?..
what's the point in having the final weapon from the start then..?
It results to overkilling...x__x..:))..LOL
Err..and as ur cmmnt about tidus...
----------No comment...

Maybe...u can get ur hopes up when this game
franchises a part 2..x']
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dby2k wrote:


LunarReplicator08 wrote:

Uwow!..Ahahaha..
I guess i kinda nearly hit the nail there...
>o<...
But thanks..xD...ohh...
how'd you know?..
u understnd jap?..
if u do, is it ok if u translate the things that these
characters mostly say in battles..?..x']?

The last time I did this for Rengou vs Zaft Portable, no one even cared about it.


ohh...i see..
but since no one cared, i'll prove to
you that i do..x'P
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They could let Squall junction to one of the beginner Guardian Forces, well Quetzacol would be a good bet.
Another would be a temporary player swap to Tifa during Ex-mode. This would be the best. I want Tifa.
For Cloud, Knights of the Round, duh.
And Tidus keeps on crying.

Other news~
3 more videos uploaded, all Sephiroth videos.
Unbelievably, I'm rather pro at Sephiroth all of a sudden despite not using him...at ALL.
2 of the videos will showcase elite playing style while 1 of them will demonstrate the Angel Heart Prison Gate Combo. All of the videos however, will feature the Angel Heart since I can't find any high level videos of how to use it.
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They could let Squall junction to one of the beginner Guardian Forces, well Quetzacol would be a good bet.
Another would be a temporary player swap to Tifa during Ex-mode. This would be the best. I want Tifa.
For Cloud, Knights of the Round, duh.
And Tidus keeps on crying.


That is indeed...a good idea..
but...don't you think it would be
weird seeing squall mixed up with a GF
and perform his Lionheart(EXburst) with it?
It's better that he has the lionheart sword yknow..?
And man....those are summons!
you can't do anything to change the fact
that summons in this game, are only buffs & supports~..(Though terra is a different story)
You don't make sense at all....___.
Exmode for cloud, a swap??...
WTH...(.___.)..
How could that even be possible if the game only
requires one antagonist & one protagonist of
each FF game..?..
For cryin out loud...make sense dude~...;___;
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Tifa > Cloud. This makes sense. Although AC Cloud is what I would call close to a True EX mode.
That's why most doujins revolve around her. Well Hentai ones anyway.
Ultimecia can junction with Griever, why can't Squall do something similar? He can junction to Tonberry King for all I care.

Well in common logic. You enter a battle against Ultimecia in FF8. Would you equip ...
a) Your basic gunblade you get at level 1 (and all your party members for that matter)
b) Lionheart gunblade

This is such a hard decision.

Was hoping something more dynamic for fanboy characters~ Not saying their bad though (despite all of them being mid or lower tier, besides Tidus). Yeah~
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Tifa > Cloud. This makes sense. Although AC Cloud is what I would call close to a True EX mode.
That's why most doujins revolve around her. Well Hentai ones anyway.
Ultimecia can junction with Griever, why can't Squall do something similar? He can junction to Tonberry King for all I care.

Well in common logic. You enter a battle against Ultimecia in FF8. Would you equip ...
a) Your basic gunblade you get at level 1 (and all your party members for that matter)
b) Lionheart gunblade

This is such a hard decision.

Was hoping something more dynamic for fanboy characters~ Not saying their bad though (despite all of them being mid or lower tier, besides Tidus). Yeah~


..x__x...How the hell does it make sense..?...
I don't get u at all...
If u agree with AC cloud's EXmode, then u should've agreed
with Normal Cloud, Squall, & Tidus then..>_<..It's just effin the same...
WEapon Change as their exforms...
And what is this hentai crap got anythin to do with Exforms..x__x??
so what if those doujinshi crap revolve around her?..
don't go off-topic..~

True, ultimecia can join with griever, but did any character
in FF8 show their selves being morphed when they junction?
NO!...It is because they are made to just junction in a different way..
Get what i mean bro?...in a DIFFERENT WAY...
And no matter what you do, no matter how hard u try...
Squall can never do or look anything that connects him to ultimecia's Exmode cuz
Squall never showed himself being junctioned in the story..>__<..
But ultimecia did...right?
It wouldn't make sense at all if Squall SUDDENLY got junctioned
in this game for the FIRST TIME in history and is jnctioned to some
random GF..>__<...It would be a big crappy Made-up sh** that didn't even appear
in the original game...soo
There's ur answer~

Well...about ur A & Bs...
Don't u get it at all..?..
It's made that way...>__<...
To make it much more intensive...
it's also to maintain their original weapons to keep
them away from missing...
and man, wouldn't it be boring if u have it ASAP
and kill ur opponent in a couple of hits..?...
Oh and yeah...i forgot that in this game, no matter what your weapon is or no matter
how weak it is,
IT DOESN'T MATTER...!
You can just go make your BP high like hell and just hit ur opponent
with one hit for all i care...

Hmmm..and as for the fanboyz...
Cloud - perfect~...
Squall - ...ugh...i just don't get why cloud has his Omnislash perfected but squall doesn't get his lionheart perfected..;__; so what if his renzokuken's added? damn...it's just dissapointing that his Exburst's incomplete that's all..D`;..i don't like his alternate costume either....they could've just gave him his KH(either of the 2) costumes right?...they both look awesome to me..x']...but oh well...it's done....hopefully there'll be a part 2 and involve his Kh outfits..x']
Tidus - same as cloud, PERFECT~
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Jecht - Manly too perfect.
I'm a Jecht fanboy!~
I'd hate to bully anyone who uses any of those 3 fanboy characters. After all, they range from mid, mid upper and low tier.

AC Cloud doesn't "Equip" an ultimate weapon as the Ex Mode name, it's totally different like a powering up. So it's not the same with normal Cloud. He's the only character where his alternate has a different Ex-Mode name, although nobody in the net has actually brought this up clearly.

How is tidus perfect yet? He plays with tiny blitzballs while his dad plays with meteors. They also gave him pathetic HP moves that are pretty much enough to get him killed literally. He's good in the air and ONLY air though but doesn't perform well if opponents are faster than he is or posses multiple homing attacks(Butz). But his Ex Burst is literally unchanged, that's good. Keep to the original.

Squall needs a power up though. His Ex Mode is REALLY lacking the balls to match up against other Ex Modes. So what if you have broader hits (it doesn't even look broader, you still need to be very close to combo) and explosive power per hit. If you don't hit, you don't get to do crap. His normal attack combos are good and hard to block because they are near instant. What really sucks would be his HP attacks which are a heck too easy to just dodge and counter.

Cloud, perfect? He's just as bad as Sephiroth with the exception that Cloud has HP to Brave moves. This is why it puts him in mid tier instead of lower mid. Cloud moves are flashy, have delay before hitting (so large a delay I can block everything he throws at me). They should have at least thrown in some fast hitting combo moves like Squall's to make him more well-rounded. He is capable of wielding his sword with one hand if he has to in the advent children movie. He should at least be able to combo.

Any my argument since the beginning is about True EX mode. I do not think that just by equipping a better weapon constitutes to being a True EX mode. (Link has found the Master Sword. Link has entered EX mode).

Bonus material~

I uploaded my replay files so you can view it on your own PSP! Just go to my profile and click the link to download it! Contains my Jecht and my yet to be approved Shantotto videos.
Posted 1/3/09 , edited 1/3/09
ehh i have a few questions >.<

yeah i know that i've to buy the alternate version in the PP shop but where??
i don't know how you can use the dash >.<
how the hell can you doge O__o

i want to show my skills aswell but how can i put the video's on the pc ? :O
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Jecht - Manly too perfect.
I'm a Jecht fanboy!~
I'd hate to bully anyone who uses any of those 3 fanboy characters. After all, they range from mid, mid upper and low tier.

AC Cloud doesn't "Equip" an ultimate weapon as the Ex Mode name, it's totally different like a powering up. So it's not the same with normal Cloud. He's the only character where his alternate has a different Ex-Mode name, although nobody in the net has actually brought this up clearly.

How is tidus perfect yet? He plays with tiny blitzballs while his dad plays with meteors. They also gave him pathetic HP moves that are pretty much enough to get him killed literally. He's good in the air and ONLY air though but doesn't perform well if opponents are faster than he is or posses multiple homing attacks(Butz). But his Ex Burst is literally unchanged, that's good. Keep to the original.

Squall needs a power up though. His Ex Mode is REALLY lacking the balls to match up against other Ex Modes. So what if you have broader hits (it doesn't even look broader, you still need to be very close to combo) and explosive power per hit. If you don't hit, you don't get to do crap. His normal attack combos are good and hard to block because they are near instant. What really sucks would be his HP attacks which are a heck too easy to just dodge and counter.

Cloud, perfect? He's just as bad as Sephiroth with the exception that Cloud has HP to Brave moves. This is why it puts him in mid tier instead of lower mid. Cloud moves are flashy, have delay before hitting (so large a delay I can block everything he throws at me). They should have at least thrown in some fast hitting combo moves like Squall's to make him more well-rounded. He is capable of wielding his sword with one hand if he has to in the advent children movie. He should at least be able to combo.

Bonus material~

I uploaded my replay files so you can view it on your own PSP! Just go to my profile and click the link to download it! Contains my Jecht and my yet to be approved Shantotto videos.


So what if he doesn't equip?
The point here is he UPGRADED his weapon during
he goes to his EXform...meaning..
HE AIN'T NO DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER 2...and his normal form..>__<

Dude...there you go again...
Stop going off-topic...
What does blitzball have to do with this..?
So what if his dad's stronger than him?..
His dad's form is powered up like hell...and makes him into an aeon...
soo...An Aeon-half-human compared to a normal human being...
Now, tell me...wouldn't the Aeon-humanoid win?...
geez...
What do u even expect for tidus then?...His Exburst to play with
meteors?...LOL..didn't u just say that sticking to the original is much better?

They all have their unique aspects and from what i see here is that..
you don't give a damn about it...
Everyone in this game don't need to be all the same..
get me?..
Not everyone has to have the same attack, damage, & skill..

and what i meant about being perfect is their Alternate outfits, Exburst, & Exmodes~...
My bad if i didn't mention what i meant of being perfect is?


Any my argument since the beginning is about True EX mode. I do not think that just by equipping a better weapon constitutes to being a True EX mode. (Link has found the Master Sword. Link has entered EX mode).


oh LOL~!...
Why'd u brought up Hentai, Dojinshis, Tifa, Weapons, & criticitions?
Hmm...well...what can you do?
They just so happened to have their exforms like that because
they do not have their own ORIGINAL powers like terra(esper), Kefka(God), Jecht(aeon) and so on and so forth..

Indeed, Squall & cloud might've have their junctions & materias in the original game...
But so does every ally in FF7 & FF8 right?...
That's the reason...
they didn't give them their TRUE EXFORMS...
The Staff had no choice but to just give them
their last strongest weapons...>_<
The Staff had no other choice because their
only originality's in their weapons...
and you can't deny it...[Excluding Bartz...cuz he really had no originality among with firion...They both came
from a game that everyone can equip NEARLY anything(FF2), change into anything(FF5) and everyone could mimic or so(FF5)....soo there~]

Do u have a gamefaqs account?...Cuz if you don't, u better have
one and get ur head fed-up with facts involving these 3 fanboyz...>__<

I repeat again, They do not have their special abilities like being an esper, aeon, GF, beast, etc...
Even if you do think of a TRUE EXFORM for them, it'll be useless...

Why?..It's cuz i told u what is there to say already~...

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dby2k wrote:

Made a New Post since this is super relevant to the topic.

EX MODES... and what they do.

Cosmos Characters

Warrior of Light
Change Class!
Warrior to Knight.
Gain Reflect, Protect and Light of Refuge.
Basically your offensive and defensive power increases. Duh.

Frioniel
Blood Weapon!
Gain ability Bloody Weapon.
All your HP attacks will regenerate your HP.
(P.S: Remember to unequip Auto EX Burst support ability when you play as him)

Onion Knight
Job Change!
Job change to either Sage for stronger magic(but slower speed) or Ninja (fast speed and attacks).
Automatic but slow HP regen.
If you engage an opponent with a Physical HP attack, you will automatically job change again to Ninja, the same is for the opposite.
(P.S : Onion Knight is my second physical main. No one take it, ok?)

Cecil
Free Job Change!
Automatic but slow HP regen.
You can switch between Paladin and Dark Knight freely by pressing R + Square.
Gain ability Double Damage, but you deal 1.5 times more damage. (ROFL)

Butz (Give this guy a Sandwich!)
Job Mastery!
Master the mimic Job Class, making all your mimic skills stronger and unique (even stronger than the originals)
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gain ability Goblin Bunch by pressing R + Square.

Tina ( I think she changed the color of her panties when using alternate costume )
Transform!
Turn into Esper form (Naked but you can't see anything, too bad)
She can glide in the air like Sephiroth(when he's in EX mode).
Her magic attacks can now combo (simultaneous shooting) , she can also lengthen HP attacks it seems.

Cloud(If he had it all along why didn't he just use it. All the mako must be affecting his brain.)
Ultima Weapon! (He says something different when you use his AC alternate, like 魔晄の力!)
Gains ability Guard Crush(Ownage) which can ... do Guard Breaks as well as improved offensive power.
Basically his attacks can't be blocked. Except Jecht. Because Jecht is the number 1 Dissidia character.

Squall
Equip Lionheart! (WTF? Why doesn't he just equip it in the beginning. This is lame. He is lame. LoL.)
You throw away your crappy gunblade and use your lionheart instead.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Range of your attacks are longer and broader.
Your damage increases as your hits does explosive damage.

Zidane
Trance Form! (into a monkey lol)
Gain ability Air Jump. You can now jump 10 times in the air, congratulations.
Gain ability Dodge Jump. While in the air, enemy attacks deal no harm.

Tidus
Ultimate Weapon, Caladbolg! (Again, why doesn't he equip it in the first place, jeez.)
Caste Haste on yourself for Faster Running Speed.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Able to dodge magic. (He's a mage type killer lol)

Shantotto(Secret)
SP Ability!
Clothes change to that of the original mage costume, but without the corny hat.
Gain ability Fountain of Magic. All your HP attacks will ADD ON BRAVE POINTS. This is pure ownage. Strongest EX mode I've ever seen.

Chaos Characters

Garland
Class Change!
He changes his armor.
Gains ability Super Armor. Basically you can't get knocked back and stuff.

The Emperor
Hell's Power!
Just a change in appearance.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gains ability Blood Magic. Recover HP based on damage done by HP attacks.

Cloud of Darkness
Flood of Darkness!
Green body, no tentacles.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gain ability Cancel Gun Wave. Able to cancel an attack when an opponent attacks her by pressing the square button.

Golbeza
Summon Shadow Dragon! (Black Dragon really)
Combine with shadow dragon.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gain ability Shadow(Black) Fang. Activate this attack by using R + Square button. Puts enemy in Break status.(Holy cow)

Ex-death
Powerless!
Shifts into Neo Ex-death. He's already ugly enough in the first place.
Gains ability Haste/Speed Guard. Cooldowns between Guard skills are greatly reduced and the counterattacks deal more damage.

Cefca Palazzo
Power of Destruction!
Gains the ability to glide in the air (like Tina).
Gains ability Magic Pounding. His attacks change to give a better overall performance and are relatively hard to dodge or block.
(P.S. When he's in EX mode, I recommend not going anywhere near him. Unless you are Tidus, Jecht or Zidane. And maybe Kuja)

Sephiroth
Reunion! (Short and sweet. Coolest name for an EX mode)
He turns into the one wing angel and gains a wing.
Automatic but slow HP regen
Gains ability to glide in the air.
Gains ability Angel Heart. While in the air, press R + Square. This will execute Angel Heart(you can still move while chanting), which results in a 100% brave hit that drains ALL the enemy's BP to 0 irregardless of enemy location. Unless you are Jecht. Because Jecht owns all. Nah, Jecht can't block it since it's always on top of you.

Ultimecia
Junction Griever!
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gains ability Time Stop. By pressing the R + Square button and holding it, the opponent will be rendered UNABLE TO MOVE OR ACT. You can then beat him up.

Kuja
Trance Form!
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gains ability Hyper Guard. Rings of light surround him. Touching them does brave damage.
Gains ability Auto Magic. Whenever he jumps, a ball of light shoots at the opponent.

JEKUTO(Jecht) (aka Number 1 Character in Dissidia)
The Ultimate Summon!(It's true)
Transforms into Final Aeon mode.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gains ability FULL COMBO. Even if you miss an attack, you can still execute a full combo and home in on an opponent. (Watch my Jecht combo video for examples).

Gabranth
Mist Cart! (Mist Cartridge)
He wears his helmet.
Automatic but slow HP regen.
Gains ability Even Stray Dogs Have Pride. All Parameters increased, gain HP attacks, all attacks boosted with multiple changes. Speed increases greatly.

Hope this helps out !~ Translated directly from the game in the EX menu.
I personally think this is the most complete description for all the EX modes in the game.

Thanks to Square Enix for making this Faaabulous~ game. Also thanks to myself and a jumbo sushi platter I ate while making these translations. They should be 90% accurate at least, if not blame the Asahi.
~dby2k


Wow...a big thumbs up for this..x']
Hmm...you really like jecht that much huh?..
LOL..
i can't wait to play this game..xD...


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ehh i have a few questions >.<

yeah i know that i've to buy the alternate version in the PP shop but where??
i don't know how you can use the dash >.<
how the hell can you doge O__o

i want to show my skills aswell but how can i put the video's on the pc ? :O


1) Buying alternate costumes
Go to the PP Catalog and under the Characters tab, scroll down till you see options where the description includes a Triangle button in it. Those are alternate costumes. Other than visual effect, only Cloud's alternate costume has any real purpose. To change your character into those costumes, enter your character's menu (like Sephiroth's menu, etc where you can see the chocobo) and press Triangle. You should see one part of the screen's kanji change. Correction. Sephiroth alternate serves a purpose by giving fangirls something nice to see.

2) How to use dash
You need to learn it first, you won't get it at level 1. Once you learn it, equip it. The first basic dash you learn is Dash to target. This is done by press R + Triangle together. More diverse versions would be Free dashing, Reverse dashing and a more standardized General dashing(which makes you dash towards the direction of the target, but without panning just straight), which is useless since it wastes CP. Later on you will learn a skill to dash longer by holding down the Triangle button longer.

3) Dodging
You dodge by pressing R+X button together with the direction you wanna dodge in.

4) Making videos
To put videos onto your PC you can either use...remotejoy to record the screen and put it on your pc OR do the easier way, convert replays into AVI files. Once you saved a replay, go to the last option in the Museum (you need to unlock museum first, it's below PP catalog), then select the last option again and choose the replay file you wanna convert. After that it will show 3 options, each pertaining to different qualities of the video and will be highlighted accordingly to the available space on your memory stick. Then just convert, go back to XMB, plug in your USB, search your Video folder in your memory stick and take the converted avi file.


LunarReplicator08 wrote:

I repeat again, They do not have their special abilities like being an esper, aeon, GF, beast, etc...
Even if you do think of a TRUE EXFORM for them, it'll be useless...

Why?..It's cuz i told u what is there to say already~...

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Summary
In other words they aren't viable and belong in mid and lower tiers (besides Tidus) and do not have True Ex Modes. I can live with that since that's the answer I want
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