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Israel is just plain crazy, the Zionist good-for-nothing regime must go down for sure.

Israel is increasingly regarded as a cruel persecutor bent on destruction. Israel complains about Palestinians wanting to destroy their nation. But in reality the Palestinians have never come near actually doing this. Israel, on the other hand, has so much innocent blood on its hands through intentional disproportionate responses that the reality has now widely sunk in: it is Israel that wants to crush the Palestinians.

Israeli air strikes recorded on camera
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6a_1230389616


Palestine has never come close to destroying Israel, that’s true. But you’re either lying or ignorant if you don’t think that they’ve tried.

Israel hasn’t committed any war crimes and their actions are justified by international law. Seriously, if they’re a regime then why do they keep agreeing to cease fires? They’re obviously much stronger and martially superior to the Palestinians. They even have nuclear strike capabilities. IF they wanted to they could’ve and would’ve destroyed Palestine and the Hama a long time ago. Yet, they haven’t. So, how the hell are they crazy?

NOTHING is as one sided as you’re making this look. Palestine is the aggressor and Israel has continuously attempted to negotiate with moderates.


I considered them as "smart and genius" regime. They try to cover up themselves, so other countries took pity of them.

Its just a rocket attack and they already blast back with airstrike that kills 200+ civilians. How pathetic is Israel can be.

I wonder how the fighting going to end.
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I considered them as "smart and genius" regime. They try to cover up themselves, so other countries took pity of them.

Its just a rocket attack and they already blast back with airstrike that kills 200+ civilians. How pathetic is Israel can be.

I wonder how the fighting going to end.


You're just being silly. What should they do? Ask for a public apology?
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spoiler] Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli air strikes flattened bastions of Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip on Monday in the third day of an offensive that has killed more than 325 Palestinians in the deadliest violence in the territory in decades.

"We have an all-out war against Hamas and its kind," Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said in parliament, using a term he has employed in the past to describe a long-term struggle against Israel's Islamist enemies.

Broadening their targets to include the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip, Israeli warplanes bombed the Interior Ministry, which supervises 13,000 members of the group's security forces. The building had been evacuated and there were no casualties.

Israel also targeted the homes of at least two top commanders in Hamas's armed wing. The commanders were not at home at the time but several family members were killed.

Hamas, an Islamist movement that took over the Gaza Strip in 2007, defied the Israeli assaults, the fiercest in the coastal enclave since the 1967 Middle East war.

Its forces fired a rocket salvo into the Israeli city of Ashkelon, killing one person, the second such fatality since Israeli bombing began on Saturday.

Israel has said the offensive -- launched by a centrist government six weeks before a national election that opinion polls have predicted the right-wing Likud party will win -- is aimed at halting rocket attacks that intensified after a six-month cease-fire with Hamas expired on December 19.

Palestinian medical officials put the Gaza death toll at more than 325 and said more than 700 people have been wounded.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency said at least 57 of the dead were civilians. It based the figure, which an UNRWA spokesman called "conservative," on visits by agency officials to hospitals and medical centres.

Israel declared areas around the Gaza Strip a "closed military zone," citing the risk from Palestinian rockets, and ordering out journalists observing a build-up of armoured forces preparing for a possible ground invasion of the territory.

Excluding the press could help Israel keep under wraps its preparations for a Gaza incursion following three days of air strikes that have caused chaos, turned some buildings to rubble and left hospitals struggling to cope.

Wounded Gazans trickled one by one into Egypt and 10 trucks carrying medical supplies were allowed to cross into the blockaded territory. Border officials said about 30 Palestinians were expected to leave the territory for treatment.

Oil prices rose above $40 a barrel on Monday, boosted by the weak dollar and violence between Israel and Hamas that served as a reminder of tensions that could threaten crude supplies from the Middle East.

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Most Gazans in the densely populated enclave stayed at home, in rooms away from windows that could shatter in blasts from air strikes on Hamas facilities. Residents of southern Israel ran for shelter at the sound of alarms heralding incoming rockets.

"At no time could we leave the kids unattended. They trembled every time there was a bombing, day and night, and all of us had almost no sleep," said Umm Hassan, a mother of seven, in Gaza.

In Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, an air strike killed a local commander of Islamic Jihad, three other members of the militant group and a child as they stood in the street, medical workers said. Islamic Jihad said the commander was wanted by Israel and it described his death as an assassination.

Israeli aircraft also destroyed a laboratory building at the Islamic University, an institution that is a significant cultural symbol in Gaza.

Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said the offensive would go on until the population in southern Israel "no longer live in terror and in fear of constant rocket barrages."

"(The operation could) take many days," said military spokesman Avi Benayahu.

In what it called a "terrorist" attack, the Israeli army said a Palestinian stabbed three Israelis in the Jewish settlement of Kiryat Arba in the West Bank before he was shot by a passer-by and arrested. One of the wounded Israelis was in a serious condition.

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum has urged Palestinian groups to use "all available means" against Israel, including martyrdom operations" -- a reference to suicide bombings.

The Gaza operation and civilian casualties have enraged Arabs across the Middle East. Protesters burnt Israeli and U.S. flags in several places to press for a stronger response from their leaders.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, head of the ruling Kadima party and a candidate for prime minister in the February 10 election, said the army was targeting gunmen but "unfortunately in a war ... sometimes also civilians pay the price." Chief Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qurie said U.S.-backed peace talks with Israel have been put on hold, citing the Gaza offensive. The negotiations over the past year have achieved little visible progress.

The U.N. Security Council called for a halt to the violence, but U.S. President George W. Bush's administration, in its final weeks in office, has put the onus on Hamas to renew the truce.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said during a visit to Turkey that "Israel must stop its killing operations against Palestinians." He called for an immediate cease-fire.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKLS69391620081229?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true


i think that ppl r not fair with palestions cuz even though isreal says that hamas always try 2 bomb Isreal bt not lots of ppl were killed by the soo called attacks have any1 every heared about 100 ISREALS killed by hamas rockets no 1. while during this war more than 320 palestions died and more than 1400 r wonuded while only 2 isreals and they r already making a scene ...
r 320 palestion or even more r worth less than 2 isreals
iam n't sayN that killing ppl z right bt most of those who died have r civilnse bt y every1 always gives Isreal excues .the last thing i want to say that isreal was orginally and will always be palestine and it was taking from palestinens it will never be Isreal so isreal are always trying to protoct the land that they have stoled and convinced every1 that it is for them.
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the last thing i want to say that isreal was orginally and will always be palestine and it was taking from palestinens it will never be Isreal so isreal are always trying to protoct the land that they have stoled and convinced every1 that it is for them.


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Its just a rocket attack and they already blast back with airstrike that kills 200+ civilians. How pathetic is Israel can be.


unfortunately, hamas (and other islamic terrorist groups) have a bad habit of installing their `bases` by / in schools, mosques, residential areas etc. just using their own people as human shields to get media attention on civilian casualties. that is truly pathetic.



I wonder how the fighting going to end.


when the world has finally had enough of these islamic fanatics and exterminates them.

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Thats why im standing up for Palestine not Hamas or Israel

Palestine is a Muslim nation no matter what if the country is fake or not. As a Muslim, we must fight side by side.
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azera wrote:

I considered them as "smart and genius" regime. They try to cover up themselves, so other countries took pity of them.

Its just a rocket attack and they already blast back with airstrike that kills 200+ civilians. How pathetic is Israel can be.

I wonder how the fighting going to end.


You're just being silly. What should they do? Ask for a public apology?



By not using unnecessarily violence that kills 320 civilians according to my local latest news report?.

Now i ask u who kills more? Israel or Palestine? And who more advance? Palestine or Israel?

Of course ur answer will be Israel. Isnt that considered bully and quite childish? Using massive force to retaliate.

Violence will always breed more violence. How do we stop the war like this?

I always freakingly condemn Israel actions everytime thay make a move.

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i got a bad feeling bout this.....

Iran asks ICC to issue arrest warrants for Israeli leaders
http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0812290418100015.htm

Al-Sistani slams Arab inaction on Gaza
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79826&sectionid=351020201

Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets
http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7401&eeid=6267085&_sitecat=1505&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt


This is a sad day for the people in the Gaza Strip. Israel needs to learn that they are killing innocent people, people that they have no right to kill. Someone needs to step in and stop this killing spree that is being done by Israel. This has to be stopped NOW and America needs to stop support Israel now.



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By not using unnecessarily violence that kills 320 civilians according to my local latest news report?.

Now i ask u who kills more? Israel or Palestine? And who more advance? Palestine or Israel?

Of course ur answer will be Israel. Isnt that considered bully and quite childish? Using massive force to retaliate.

Violence will always breed more violence. How do we stop the war like this?

I always freakingly condemn Israel actions everytime thay make a move.



You misread your local newspaper. There were roughly 315 casualties, but fewer than twenty of those were civilians. As far as unnecessary violence goes, Israel isn’t attacking superfluous targets. They’re working towards an end of the war by attacking military stations in accordance with international law. Palestinians, on the other hand, are hitting superfluous targets and intentionally killing civilians.

While Israel tries to avoid dragging in innocent lives, Palestine aims to take them. One example is that they’ve used a stockpile of mid ranged missile launchers, (which they gathered during the cease fire, obviously planning to break it,) to bomb a bus station. Not a security compound, a weapons facility, or even a police station. They aimed their missiles at public transportation. This is all according to the New York Times as well as an independent UK news paper.

These are clear cut terrorist tactics designed to instill fear. While over ninety percent of the Palestinian casualties have been security officials nearly 100% of Israeli casualties have been citizens. An innocent mother was killed.

Palestine has no dream of winning, and yet they keep breathing a fresh breath of life into the flames. They’re the ones who contribute meaningless violence-not Israel.

Israel is more advanced, thank god. But that doesn’t mean that they’re not allowed to defend themselves. That’s like saying that if you’re muscular you have to let smaller people beat the shit out of you and take it. Being a powerful nation doesn’t mean that you don’t have the right to defend themselves.

Also, you’d have to be an idiot to think that this is in any way bullying on Israel’s part. The Hamas fired first, Israel retaliated. Yes, there have been more casualties in the Gaza strip. Israel won the fight, so that makes them the bad guys? Bull shit. There were more Japanese casualties than American casualties in WWII, I take it that means the Allied Forces were the bad guys?




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sadatwins wrote:
the last thing i want to say that isreal was orginally and will always be palestine and it was taking from palestinens it will never be Isreal so isreal are always trying to protoct the land that they have stoled and convinced every1 that it is for them.


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After Rome forced the Jews out of the Middle East they renamed the region Palestine. Palestinians then came to live in the area. Rome then abandoned the Middle East. The Jews returned to their home. The Palestinians disliked their return but the Jews didn’t care. In the twentieth century Jews began fleeing Palestinian persecution. They went over to Germany as Briton took over the region. When WWII started they fled back. They were again met with persecution. After WWII the British Mandate abandoned the cause.

The UN agreed to give the land to the Jewish people. It then became Israel. Palestine was there before Israel, but Palestine was not a nation and the Jews were there first.
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azera wrote:
By not using unnecessarily violence that kills 320 civilians according to my local latest news report?.

Now i ask u who kills more? Israel or Palestine? And who more advance? Palestine or Israel?

Of course ur answer will be Israel. Isnt that considered bully and quite childish? Using massive force to retaliate.

Violence will always breed more violence. How do we stop the war like this?

I always freakingly condemn Israel actions everytime thay make a move.



You misread your local newspaper. There were roughly 315 casualties, but fewer than twenty of those were civilians. As far as unnecessary violence goes, Israel isn’t attacking superfluous targets. They’re working towards an end of the war by attacking military stations in accordance with international law. Palestinians, on the other hand, are hitting superfluous targets and intentionally killing civilians.

While Israel tries to avoid dragging in innocent lives, Palestine aims to take them. One example is that they’ve used a stockpile of mid ranged missile launchers, (which they gathered during the cease fire, obviously planning to break it,) to bomb a bus station. Not a security compound, a weapons facility, or even a police station. They aimed their missiles at public transportation. This is all according to the New York Times as well as an independent UK news paper.

These are clear cut terrorist tactics designed to instill fear. While over ninety percent of the Palestinian casualties have been security officials nearly 100% of Israeli casualties have been citizens. An innocent mother was killed.

Palestine has no dream of winning, and yet they keep breathing a fresh breath of life into the flames. They’re the ones who contribute meaningless violence-not Israel.

Israel is more advanced, thank god. But that doesn’t mean that they’re not allowed to defend themselves. That’s like saying that if you’re muscular you have to let smaller people beat the shit out of you and take it. Being a powerful nation doesn’t mean that you don’t have the right to defend themselves.

Also, you’d have to be an idiot to think that this is in any way bullying on Israel’s part. The Hamas fired first, Israel retaliated. Yes, there have been more casualties in the Gaza strip. Israel won the fight, so that makes them the bad guys? Bull shit. There were more Japanese casualties than American casualties in WWII, I take it that means the Allied Forces were the bad guys?



Perhaps u dont have to read New York Times because Israel is America-backed. i dont trust media nowadays..

But i still dont trust Israel.....something is pretty wrong here.....cant figure out what....

I think thats what i said before that Israel is a "smart and genius".......using clever military tactics to make countries took pity of them...and that show Palestine wanna have war....like i said i back Palestine instead of Hamas and Israel

And even you have to back Israel up instead coz u fall to it, its drawing ppl in so that Israel got the advantage.
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azera wrote:


Its just a rocket attack and they already blast back with airstrike that kills 200+ civilians. How pathetic is Israel can be.


unfortunately, hamas (and other islamic terrorist groups) have a bad habit of installing their `bases` by / in schools, mosques, residential areas etc. just using their own people as human shields to get media attention on civilian casualties. that is truly pathetic.



I wonder how the fighting going to end.


when the world has finally had enough of these islamic fanatics and exterminates them.



You cant always blame religion though, blame it on politics-backed
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azera wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


azera wrote:
By not using unnecessarily violence that kills 320 civilians according to my local latest news report?.

Now i ask u who kills more? Israel or Palestine? And who more advance? Palestine or Israel?

Of course ur answer will be Israel. Isnt that considered bully and quite childish? Using massive force to retaliate.

Violence will always breed more violence. How do we stop the war like this?

I always freakingly condemn Israel actions everytime thay make a move.



You misread your local newspaper. There were roughly 315 casualties, but fewer than twenty of those were civilians. As far as unnecessary violence goes, Israel isn’t attacking superfluous targets. They’re working towards an end of the war by attacking military stations in accordance with international law. Palestinians, on the other hand, are hitting superfluous targets and intentionally killing civilians.

While Israel tries to avoid dragging in innocent lives, Palestine aims to take them. One example is that they’ve used a stockpile of mid ranged missile launchers, (which they gathered during the cease fire, obviously planning to break it,) to bomb a bus station. Not a security compound, a weapons facility, or even a police station. They aimed their missiles at public transportation. This is all according to the New York Times as well as an independent UK news paper.

These are clear cut terrorist tactics designed to instill fear. While over ninety percent of the Palestinian casualties have been security officials nearly 100% of Israeli casualties have been citizens. An innocent mother was killed.

Palestine has no dream of winning, and yet they keep breathing a fresh breath of life into the flames. They’re the ones who contribute meaningless violence-not Israel.

Israel is more advanced, thank god. But that doesn’t mean that they’re not allowed to defend themselves. That’s like saying that if you’re muscular you have to let smaller people beat the shit out of you and take it. Being a powerful nation doesn’t mean that you don’t have the right to defend themselves.

Also, you’d have to be an idiot to think that this is in any way bullying on Israel’s part. The Hamas fired first, Israel retaliated. Yes, there have been more casualties in the Gaza strip. Israel won the fight, so that makes them the bad guys? Bull shit. There were more Japanese casualties than American casualties in WWII, I take it that means the Allied Forces were the bad guys?



Perhaps u dont have to read New York Times because Israel is America-backed. i dont trust media nowadays..

But i still dont trust Israel.....something is pretty wrong here.....cant figure out what....

I think thats what i said before that Israel is a "smart and genius".......using clever military tactics to make countries took pity of them...and that show Palestine wanna have war....like i said i back Palestine instead of Hamas and Israel

And even you have to back Israel up instead coz u fall to it, its drawing ppl in so that Israel got the advantage.

I think soon they will attack iran or hezbollah...I support Palestine 100%

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Perhaps u dont have to read New York Times because Israel is America-backed. i dont trust media nowadays..

But i still dont trust Israel.....something is pretty wrong here.....cant figure out what....

I think thats what i said before that Israel is a "smart and genius".......using clever military tactics to make countries took pity of them...and that show Palestine wanna have war....like i said i back Palestine instead of Hamas and Israel

And even you have to back Israel up instead coz u fall to it, its drawing ppl in so that Israel got the advantage.


Both Israel and Palestine are pretending to be victims. At the start, this was just a misunderstanding caused by various circumstances. The collapse of the British Mandate, WWII, and Roman Imperialism all contributed. This being said, regardless of how she was founded, Israel has a right to exist that Palestine refuses to acknowledge. Israel has offered peace and Palestine has refused.

I don't care who’s right though. I support Israel for two reasons. First, Israel's goal is peaceful coexistence. They’re not interested in capturing Palestine, have no reason to want to. Palestine, on the other hand, wants to forces Israel out of the Middle East. They feel that they have ancestral claims to the land and feel Israel should not be there. Maybe they’re right, but I don’t think that matters. Israel –is- there and that’s a fact.

Second, Israel has a chance of actually brining peace. We just need to get western powers out of the mix and let them do their thing. They're not aiming at civilians like the Palestinians. They're actually hitting targets that can help to bring the war to an end. I wish the Palestinians would just give up, but that's zealotry for you. It's like the zionist cult in Israel...


PS: That last line...umm...what?


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You cant always blame religion though, blame it on politics-backed


Well, I agree. During the French revolution hundreds of innocent men, woman, and even small children were massacred NOT in the name of religion but in the name of antireligious sentiments. The rebels burnt churches full of worshipers and drowned priests on mass scale for “Lady Reason."

In this case the war is being fought for politics but religion is being used to justify it to individuals.
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azera wrote:

Perhaps u dont have to read New York Times because Israel is America-backed. i dont trust media nowadays..

But i still dont trust Israel.....something is pretty wrong here.....cant figure out what....

I think thats what i said before that Israel is a "smart and genius".......using clever military tactics to make countries took pity of them...and that show Palestine wanna have war....like i said i back Palestine instead of Hamas and Israel

And even you have to back Israel up instead coz u fall to it, its drawing ppl in so that Israel got the advantage.


Both Israel and Palestine are pretending to be victims. At the start, this was just a misunderstanding caused by various circumstances. The collapse of the British Mandate, WWII, and Roman Imperialism all contributed. This being said, regardless of how she was founded, Israel has a right to exist that Palestine refuses to acknowledge. Israel has offered peace and Palestine has refused.


PS: That last line...umm...what?


azera wrote:

You cant always blame religion though, blame it on politics-backed


Well, I agree. During the French revolution hundreds of innocent men, woman, and even small children were massacred NOT in the name of religion but in the name of antireligious sentiments. The rebels burnt churches full of worshipers and drowned priests on mass scale for “Lady Reason."

In this case the war is being fought for politics but religion is being used to justify it to individuals.


Sad religion has been used nowadays.... The religion use the most is Islam.....

And forget bout the last line,

theres must be reason why Palestine refuses to have peace, i think one day if i stay in Palestine...maybe i get the answer why is that so....you too also... Understand the behind-the-scene of what had just happen...then people will know whats going on....
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