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the thing about hibiki was it's supposed to be a toku series, not a kamen rider series...but some producers decided to put bihiki as a kamen rider...thus changing some of the plot and characters to fit the kamen rider persona...


and it turns out to be the worst rider series ever
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AkaRed35 wrote:

the thing about hibiki was it's supposed to be a toku series, not a kamen rider series...but some producers decided to put bihiki as a kamen rider...thus changing some of the plot and characters to fit the kamen rider persona...


and it turns out to be the worst rider series ever


agreed...i watched ep1 and puked then ep 2 and puked again then ep 3... and then i gave up on hibiki...
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Aegis85 wrote:


AkaRed35 wrote:

the thing about hibiki was it's supposed to be a toku series, not a kamen rider series...but some producers decided to put bihiki as a kamen rider...thus changing some of the plot and characters to fit the kamen rider persona...


and it turns out to be the worst rider series ever


agreed...i watched ep1 and puked then ep 2 and puked again then ep 3... and then i gave up on hibiki...


I wonder what really is wrong with Hibiki to make you puke.Please answer!
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zafz wrote:


Aegis85 wrote:


AkaRed35 wrote:

the thing about hibiki was it's supposed to be a toku series, not a kamen rider series...but some producers decided to put bihiki as a kamen rider...thus changing some of the plot and characters to fit the kamen rider persona...


and it turns out to be the worst rider series ever


agreed...i watched ep1 and puked then ep 2 and puked again then ep 3... and then i gave up on hibiki...


I wonder what really is wrong with Hibiki to make you puke.Please answer!


AHEM...

==Staff changes==
The original concept for Kamen Rider Hibiki was called Ongeki Rider Hibiki(1. NOT A KR SERIES), a series which would have used ninjas in place of the Kamen Riders. Just before the final episodes of [[Kamen Rider Blade]] were aired(2.VERY LAST MINUTE CHANGES=LOUSY), Bandai decided to include the Hibiki world in the Kamen Rider franchise. Because of this, Takadera was forced to change various story elements of the original Hibiki story so that it would fit as a Kamen Rider series.(3.ALSO VERY LAST MIUNTE CHANGES)

Kamen Rider Hibiki began with Shigenori Takadera as the Toei producer, however, Shinichiro Shirakura, though having participated in other [[Heisei]] Rider series, had no involvement whatsoever in the Hibiki production(4.INEXPERIENCED), was appointed producer of the movie ''Kamen Rider Hibiki and the Seven War Demons'', eventually replacing Takadera in the TV production from episode 30. The writing staff also changed; Tsuyoshi Kida and Shinji Ooishi were replaced by Toshiki Inoue and Shouji Yonemura, who had worked with Shirakura in "[[Sh15uya]]" and other Heisei Kamen Rider series.

In addition, personalities such as Sensha Yoshida, a renowned manga artist, Hiroshi Yamamoto, a video-game designer, Masao Higashi, a seasoned television and movie critic, and many others published severe criticisms in their personal blogs because of this. Even the show's star, Shigeki Hosokawa, the actor portraying Hibiki, stated in his personal website that Inoue’s scripts “needed adjustments" and that this whole staff change was "fraudulent”. With the first production staff, Hosokawa would join the writers meetings and give suggestions, however, due to time restraints, Hosokawa could not give his opinion in the second production staff meetings.

In an interview published on TV Asahi's main website, Hosokawa stated that the script for the final episode was rewritten on the final day of filming. He later said that the script was sent in so late that it arrived on set as the final battle was being filmed. This finale was scrapped and then a new ending that, according to Hosokawa, was nothing like the intended ending, was filmed.(WTF!!)Later in the interview, Hosokawa said that the Oni suit used by Kiriya was a [[kitbash]] of two new suits made especially for the characters of Asumu and Kiriya. Hosokawa said that this was the most upsetting change to him as the final script had been rewritten six times(WTF!!) at that point and all but the filmed version contained both Asumu and Kiriya becoming Oni.

In January 2006, at the Kamen Rider Super Live, Hosokawa stated that “The series was essentially an incomplete process” and that “It shouldn’t have ended that way”. Also, Mitsu Murata, who portrayed the Douji, declared on his blog: “I can’t forgive them, I want to continue HIS idea”, complaining about the removal of Takadera as producer. These declarations caused an unprecedented storm within the professional tokusatsu market and many of Toei's executives were berated for allowing a series to be handled in such a manner.

There has never been any official statement from Toei, but many critics point out several facts might have caused it, the main reason being the low toy sales. It is not usual for a Toei production to have two different producers for the TV series and the movie. A different producer was appointed for the movie because Toei was suffering from schedule problems with Takadera.

'''Changes'''
*Asumu's opening narration at the start of every episode was removed.
*A new opening was introduced.
*The ending sequence was removed altogether.
*Kyosuke Kiriya and Shuki was introduced to the series.
*Eiki and Shouki, who were both supposed to be main cast members, had their parts removed.
*The fire breathing and the Onizume (Oni claws) sequences were completely removed along with Ibuki opening his mouth for his attack. Makamou that opened their mouths too wide or spurted goo were also removed. There had been complaints about these sequences from parent advocacy groups who claimed that they scared children.
*Things as complicated-to-animate CG Makamou and shooting in mountains were reduced greatly probably due to cost. Takadera, unwilling to change his script to adapt to these changes was forcefully removed from the project.
*A second female Rider by the name of Mishiki went as far as having a DX Otoukenban marketed and a prop suit made for her before she was dropped, as was Akira's role as an Oni at the end of the series.

PHEW...Taken from Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamen_Rider_Hibiki
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p.s. get my point???(sry to all the hibiki fans)

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OH NOES!
Urataros betrays Ryoutaro to let him rescue Airi
We only get the front parts of Den-o nao
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....don't understand....
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Posted 1/17/08
hmm just wondering...why does wing form/sieg doesnt have a train???
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Posted 1/17/08
coz he never calls his train? maybe?
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lolz yeah
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Posted 1/17/08

zafz wrote:

hmm just wondering...why does wing form/sieg doesnt have a train???


He didn't even make a contract with Ryou
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Actually none of the imajins made a contract with Ryotarou when they possessed him until Kintaros did in 47 thus giving him a physical form to henshin. Wing form probably doesn't have a train because of the fact he does not have his own ticket to stay on Denliner which is why they needed to drop him in another time. Also the fact he was disappearing made him a 2 time show with 1 episode and the Movie which took place in a past time!

Edit: I also wanted to argue about Hibiki, although it did not turn out to what they wanted it to be it doesn't mean it sucks. Truthfully the fault lies with the fact they changed directors midway through the series, only because the toy sales weren't up there. Hibiki is a series full of lovable characters and had storyline in which it is unique. Sure it is different from traditional Kamen Riders but so is Den-o in many ways. Actually Den-o was supposed to combine the storytelling power of Kamen Rider Hibiki with the action of Kamen Rider Kabuto which gave us a totally amazing series. But do you really have much to lose by watching it all? I mean these series are approx 50 episodes long its meant to be judged in 3 or so episodes that you watched. All I'm saying is don't pass judge ment till you've watched it.
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Posted 1/19/08
i've watch hibiki till the last ep. where asumu didnt become a rider and everything just go on as usual. it sucks!
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Posted 1/19/08
I was disappointed with that ending as well but I don't think it makes the overall series a failure. I mean the development of Asumu through Hibiki's influence was well done and I think it got quite a few points across for people watching the show.
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Posted 1/21/08
how come the kamen rider ryuki fan-subs Stop at Episode 5?
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Maybe cause they didn't sub the rest or they arent uploaded.
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