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episode 13 hate it or love it?
Posted 1/8/09
Hate, the ending was just a cliffhanger.
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Sorry, but Yuuki X Zero is not annoying.

Instead, I find it kinda annoying that you people sound as if you are picking a partner for Yuuki, whether Kaname or Zero, then claim the other pairing is IMPOSSIBLE. It is Yuuki's choice to go with whoever she wants, and there is always a chance that she will change her mind at anytime. Kaname can be her future husband, so as Zero. People, it is a fictional story; anything can happens. While some people saying Zero is destructive and he can't guarantee Yuuki's happiness, I beg to differ. ASSUME that Yuuki loves Zero more and she decided to go with him instead, it does not mean that she has picked the wrong partner, even though Zero can be shitty.

Love is unconditional, and beauty is in the eye of beholder. If she truly loves Zero or Kaname, she will go with either them BY ACCEPTING their weakness. If she left them because of certain weakness like being emoish or manipulative, she doesn't know what love really means.


I understand what you mean, but that's how all fandoms are, really. People pick the person they want the character to be with, then bicker about it incessantly - even when it's all finalized. Actually, I think the bickering increases even more when it's finalized - because then you just have a whole side of the fandom in tears because their favorite wasn't picked.

As for everything else you said: logically speaking, if this series is a good piece of "literature" at all - Yuuki will not "change her mind at anytime". There's a reason why randomness in drama always makes for a terrible read - there MUST be a reason why she chooses any character and that reason MUST be consistent. If this were a comedy, the rules would be different; but this is drama - everything has to have consistency so Yuuki must be consistent in her choices or else she's pegged as a whore or an idiot. The reason why she chose Kaname is because she's always loved Kaname. Even when she was protecting Zero from his nightmares, she's always loved Kaname. It's not even a question of whether she chose the right person or not - the ONLY person she could have chosen is the person she's actually admitted to loving. That person is Kaname and Kaname only.

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The problem that people are having, is that they're completely ignoring Yuuki's long-established feelings for Kaname because she's known Zero for four years and has a certain level of intimacy with him. Though that does pose a "love-triangle" of some sort, Yuuki's never told Zero, "I love you" nor has she ever thought, "I love Zero" - honestly, the whole Zero/Yuuki idea would hold ground if she ever admitted to loving him. It's quite difficult to propose an idea when you don't have any evidence to back it - Zero would be VERY possible if only she ever said/thought/expressed the same deep adoration and fondness towards him that she has for Kaname. But she hasn't. So as of this moment, Zero/Yuuki IS actually impossible - Zero can love her all he wants, but if she doesn't have that love for him, then she'll always go with Kaname. IF she actually does change sides later on, there will have to be HUGE extenuating circumstances and Kaname would have to do something so completely abominable that she actually grew to hate him (which would additionally take a long while to happen - no one can instantly hate a person they've loved for their entire life).

With all that said, I would say that Zero/Yuuki is slightly annoying simply because it has no real basis - most people who support that pair completely ignore Yuuki's feelings toward Kaname and only consider Zero's feelings towards Yuuki to be important at all. The whole basis of the Zero/Yuuki front is the fact that she protects him and he loves her (so therefore, she MUST secretly love him too because how could anyone protect another person and NOT be passionately in love with them? Of course she's in love with him, she just doesn't know it yet!) *Shrugs* Though it's true that in a fictional story anything can happen - in a GOOD fictional story (which Vampire Knight has been thus far); everything happens for a reason. So yes, while it is possible that in the future Yuuki could very well marry Zero, that would never happen as long as Kaname is alive and still Kaname (not morphed into some villain-type character just so she could be with Zero).

So again it all comes back to a need for consistency, especially when addressing character development in a drama: if Kaname undergoes a character personality change to Evil, Zero/Yuuki stands a chance. Kaname would have to be completely removed from the picture in order for Zero/Yuuki to ever be considered possible - Yuuki's love for Kaname would have to be wiped right off the face of the Earth in order for her to be with Zero. And it would have to be done believably in order for the series to not fall into 'typical' range. This is HIGHLY improbable of ever being pulled off correctly.
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Posted 1/8/09
I reckon the end was really lame with them all walking off! I hated it! But i really hope there is a season 3 i wanna see what happens afterwards
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i definitely agree with you ^_~

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Black-Candle wrote:


alexdhamp wrote:


TonyTheShredder wrote:


alexdhamp wrote:


Black-Candle wrote:

I was against Yuki and Kaname from the beginning but I have to admit that I liked the end because Kaname really surfed a lot for her so he kind of deserved a little happiness
But still the end wasn’t satisfying at all


True.. But, I think Zero suffered quite a bit for her, as well. Even letting Kaname use him for Yuuki's sake.. And even though the manga's version was abit sadder for me, being a Zeki fan, it just seemed more in depth than VKG's conclusion. And damn..that battle sucked terribly compared to it's counterpart in the manga.



You're right about that battle scene. It's NEVER enough.


Man, Tony..that's an understatement... >.< XD


Totally agree with u two


yeah its right!!!
zero's vines are cooler in the manga than the anime...


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You've made an excellent point, Kaorustalker!
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Posted 1/9/09
no, hated it!!
i feel real sorry 4 zero!!
Yuuki juz dusnt realize dat she luvz zero too!!
d onlii reason she went with Kaname is cuz she had a crush on him eversince she was a kid, and actually beleived dat it wuz 'LOVE'
she dusnt realize wat zero's real intentions r 4 her!!

zero all d way!! lol XDD
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totally hate it
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Posted 1/9/09
i didnt like it i want it to be zero and yuuki
plus zero was sad
Posted 1/9/09 , edited 1/9/09

Kaorustalker wrote:


DragonLegna wrote:

Sorry, but Yuuki X Zero is not annoying.

Instead, I find it kinda annoying that you people sound as if you are picking a partner for Yuuki, whether Kaname or Zero, then claim the other pairing is IMPOSSIBLE. It is Yuuki's choice to go with whoever she wants, and there is always a chance that she will change her mind at anytime. Kaname can be her future husband, so as Zero. People, it is a fictional story; anything can happens. While some people saying Zero is destructive and he can't guarantee Yuuki's happiness, I beg to differ. ASSUME that Yuuki loves Zero more and she decided to go with him instead, it does not mean that she has picked the wrong partner, even though Zero can be shitty.

Love is unconditional, and beauty is in the eye of beholder. If she truly loves Zero or Kaname, she will go with either them BY ACCEPTING their weakness. If she left them because of certain weakness like being emoish or manipulative, she doesn't know what love really means.


I understand what you mean, but that's how all fandoms are, really. People pick the person they want the character to be with, then bicker about it incessantly - even when it's all finalized. Actually, I think the bickering increases even more when it's finalized - because then you just have a whole side of the fandom in tears because their favorite wasn't picked.

As for everything else you said: logically speaking, if this series is a good piece of "literature" at all - Yuuki will not "change her mind at anytime". There's a reason why randomness in drama always makes for a terrible read - there MUST be a reason why she chooses any character and that reason MUST be consistent. If this were a comedy, the rules would be different; but this is drama - everything has to have consistency so Yuuki must be consistent in her choices or else she's pegged as a whore or an idiot. The reason why she chose Kaname is because she's always loved Kaname. Even when she was protecting Zero from his nightmares, she's always loved Kaname. It's not even a question of whether she chose the right person or not - the ONLY person she could have chosen is the person she's actually admitted to loving. That person is Kaname and Kaname only.

Manga spoiler:


The problem that people are having, is that they're completely ignoring Yuuki's long-established feelings for Kaname because she's known Zero for four years and has a certain level of intimacy with him. Though that does pose a "love-triangle" of some sort, Yuuki's never told Zero, "I love you" nor has she ever thought, "I love Zero" - honestly, the whole Zero/Yuuki idea would hold ground if she ever admitted to loving him. It's quite difficult to propose an idea when you don't have any evidence to back it - Zero would be VERY possible if only she ever said/thought/expressed the same deep adoration and fondness towards him that she has for Kaname. But she hasn't. So as of this moment, Zero/Yuuki IS actually impossible - Zero can love her all he wants, but if she doesn't have that love for him, then she'll always go with Kaname. IF she actually does change sides later on, there will have to be HUGE extenuating circumstances and Kaname would have to do something so completely abominable that she actually grew to hate him (which would additionally take a long while to happen - no one can instantly hate a person they've loved for their entire life).

With all that said, I would say that Zero/Yuuki is slightly annoying simply because it has no real basis - most people who support that pair completely ignore Yuuki's feelings toward Kaname and only consider Zero's feelings towards Yuuki to be important at all. The whole basis of the Zero/Yuuki front is the fact that she protects him and he loves her (so therefore, she MUST secretly love him too because how could anyone protect another person and NOT be passionately in love with them? Of course she's in love with him, she just doesn't know it yet!) *Shrugs* Though it's true that in a fictional story anything can happen - in a GOOD fictional story (which Vampire Knight has been thus far); everything happens for a reason. So yes, while it is possible that in the future Yuuki could very well marry Zero, that would never happen as long as Kaname is alive and still Kaname (not morphed into some villain-type character just so she could be with Zero).

So again it all comes back to a need for consistency, especially when addressing character development in a drama: if Kaname undergoes a character personality change to Evil, Zero/Yuuki stands a chance. Kaname would have to be completely removed from the picture in order for Zero/Yuuki to ever be considered possible - Yuuki's love for Kaname would have to be wiped right off the face of the Earth in order for her to be with Zero. And it would have to be done believably in order for the series to not fall into 'typical' range. This is HIGHLY improbable of ever being pulled off correctly.


Your points are excellently presented.

There is one thing that I'm always not understand; why most of you would claim Yuuki doesn't like Zero, anyway? Yuuki's feeling, in the anime, is actually quite ambiguous. Her love towards Kaname and Zero doesn't have a fixed condition(that is why most of us are frustrated about her, because she never seems to make a clear line about friends and lovers)We NEVER actually know whether Yuuki loves Kaname only as a brother or something deeper, because it has never been clearly explained. Even if she doesn't like Zero, that doesn't mean she MUST love Kaname. Yes, as you have mentioned, she always has deep adoration towards Kaname, but so far, it CAN be considered as infatuation during the early episodes, as she doesn't know him deep enough, and it maybe a subconscious adoration towards a brother from a sister. A real GOOD fictional story will try to make some senses, too; a 15 years old girl is still TOO young to understand what is love(consists of very deep understanding towards her partner, which is still a bit too early for her at the moment) and knows who she should marry as well.

Yuuki doesn't need to change her mind only when Kaname has became a foul villain or something. We also forgot about that their compatibility can deal a great decision. Yeah...of course she is doing well with Kaname now, but how about the future when they need to be each others soul mates? We never know, and none of us can predict it.

Seriously, though, if she CAN actually make up her mind and be consistent about it at the very beginning, there won't be so many arguments about her, Kaname and Zero.

Besides...going with Kaname doesn't mean she doesn't love Zero. Like what I have mentioned before somewhere, story with maturity will know that regret is one of the elements of love. It is possible that she loves Zero, but leaves with Kaname due to some reasons. It is possible that she puts Kaname before Zero not because of boy-girl relationship; Kaname IS her brother, after all, even they are not going to be married, their blood relationship cannot be cut off. Well, these are just my personal opinions, anyway.

Oh, while we are talking about the anime, please try not to use examples in the manga, because in the anime, it is very obvious that they made some changes in it. They made Zero a bit soft, somehow. My opinions are developed merely based on the anime.

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There's no way I could love it, I mean she didn't end up with Zero so what is there to love about it? I felt so sad for Zero that I cried, he seemed so lonely
Posted 1/9/09 , edited 1/9/09
Seeing you guys arguing over about pairing and things like that...after reading the whole thing, my friend wanna say something about this(and he/she shall remain anonymous xDD)

"oh common guys! <.< it is just fiction! It isn't wrong to have opinions, but arquing about the matter is just stupid, especially when you are talking from fiction characters. Just try thinking having your own child and you telling him/her to marry that or that without letting them have any choise. Geez people, little more mature thinking isn't illegal... -.- "

lol child xD

A: Yuuki! Go and marry Zero!!

B: No no!!! Go with Kaname! Zero doesn't worth to be your boyfriend!

A: Hey hey Zero LOVES YUUKI!!!

B: I have proves that show Yuuki loves Kaname MOAR!!

A: WTH Kaname is EVIL!!

B: Zero is EMO!!!

Yuuki: -___- *silently going out with Hanabusa*


But yeah, she has a point; they are fictional characters, anyway.
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Posted 1/9/09 , edited 1/9/09
i super hate it..the ending isn't the way i want it to be..i want zero for yuuki..i really felt bad for zero..
if zero will not end up with yuuki..maybe it would be better if he will end up with ME..bwahahaha!!
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Sorry that you don't like the ending. Zero's first blood lust was with Yuuki. But Yuuki has a first blood lust with the same person that saved her life (go all the way back to the first episode of Vampire Knight)-- Kaname. However, I understand your pain and I'm sure that Zero will love you back.
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Posted 1/9/09
I quite like the ending.
The first season i really wanted yuuki and kaname to be together but when season 2 started about half way through i began to want Zero and yuuki to be together.
I feel dead sorry for zero though
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