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episode 13 hate it or love it?
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Eh, i was really hopping Yuki would turn back in to human, at the end.
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Eh, i was really hopping Yuki would turn back in to human, at the end.


Not me! Vamp Yuuki is awesome! Now..if only Zero would accept that... >.>
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EarthnBeyond wrote:

Eh, i was really hopping Yuki would turn back in to human, at the end.




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Mehh it was alrite/ i kinda lyked it and kinda hated it. cuz i fink yuki was being kinda selfish. i felt so sorry for Zero
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edrineil wrote:

i'm sad.. but happy because there is an upcoming of VK season 3 Image


Are you 100% sure ???
I’m kind of confused I don’t know whither to be happy or sad about that !!!!
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Black-Candle wrote:


edrineil wrote:

i'm sad.. but happy because there is an upcoming of VK season 3 Image


Are you 100% sure ???
I’m kind of confused I don’t know whither to be happy or sad about that !!!!


haha.. i just heard it from someone.. xD
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nO!..Why the hell did Yuuki go with Kaname?

what does she feel for zero? NOTHING? brother? she must feel that for kaname!
aaah!..Poor Zero...

terrible ending!>.<




The reason why Yuuki went with Kaname is not that she has the lust for her fiance... but to make sure that he's no longer lonely. After all these 10 years, they've finally reunited. My apologies that you don't like the ending, LV666.


But I absolutely hate the fact that Yuuki seems to have feelings for Zero BUT SHE'S WITH KANAME CAUSE SHE FEELS LIKE SHE OWES HIM. GOD WTF. Sure he's been waiting for 10 years but she has her own choice. Zero's always been there for her as a human and she grew up with him for most of her life.

i'm just following the manga..however I can't judge it because of who Yuuki ends up with, I guess..

& sorry i'm into YuukixZero mentality..=_=

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That's OK. It's a human nature vs. vampire nature thing that sparks the controversy, but who's to argue? You're cool and it's your opinion that counts. Altogether, you've earned your respect.

Posted 1/12/09
love it cause i would like to see zero KILL YUKI ^_^
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Loved it!!!! OMG!! Yay!! Zero has apurpose to live on and Yukki is withe Kaname like she promised when the were little!!!
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LadyVampire666 wrote:


TonyTheShredder wrote:


LadyVampire666 wrote:

nO!..Why the hell did Yuuki go with Kaname?

what does she feel for zero? NOTHING? brother? she must feel that for kaname!
aaah!..Poor Zero...

terrible ending!>.<




The reason why Yuuki went with Kaname is not that she has the lust for her fiance... but to make sure that he's no longer lonely. After all these 10 years, they've finally reunited. My apologies that you don't like the ending, LV666.


But I absolutely hate the fact that Yuuki seems to have feelings for Zero BUT SHE'S WITH KANAME CAUSE SHE FEELS LIKE SHE OWES HIM. GOD WTF. Sure he's been waiting for 10 years but she has her own choice. Zero's always been there for her as a human and she grew up with him for most of her life.

i'm just following the manga..however I can't judge it because of who Yuuki ends up with, I guess..

& sorry i'm into YuukixZero mentality..=_=



that is exactly how i feel. i have no idea why she went off with Kaname when Zero is suffering just as much. she really needed to be more honest with herself.
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I love it she can be happy and be with her crush and go back to where she came from and continue being a vampire x33
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Sorry, but Yuuki X Zero is not annoying.

Instead, I find it kinda annoying that you people sound as if you are picking a partner for Yuuki, whether Kaname or Zero, then claim the other pairing is IMPOSSIBLE. It is Yuuki's choice to go with whoever she wants, and there is always a chance that she will change her mind at anytime. Kaname can be her future husband, so as Zero. People, it is a fictional story; anything can happens. While some people saying Zero is destructive and he can't guarantee Yuuki's happiness, I beg to differ. ASSUME that Yuuki loves Zero more and she decided to go with him instead, it does not mean that she has picked the wrong partner, even though Zero can be shitty.

Love is unconditional, and beauty is in the eye of beholder. If she truly loves Zero or Kaname, she will go with either them BY ACCEPTING their weakness. If she left them because of certain weakness like being emoish or manipulative, she doesn't know what love really means.


I understand what you mean, but that's how all fandoms are, really. People pick the person they want the character to be with, then bicker about it incessantly - even when it's all finalized. Actually, I think the bickering increases even more when it's finalized - because then you just have a whole side of the fandom in tears because their favorite wasn't picked.

As for everything else you said: logically speaking, if this series is a good piece of "literature" at all - Yuuki will not "change her mind at anytime". There's a reason why randomness in drama always makes for a terrible read - there MUST be a reason why she chooses any character and that reason MUST be consistent. If this were a comedy, the rules would be different; but this is drama - everything has to have consistency so Yuuki must be consistent in her choices or else she's pegged as a whore or an idiot. The reason why she chose Kaname is because she's always loved Kaname. Even when she was protecting Zero from his nightmares, she's always loved Kaname. It's not even a question of whether she chose the right person or not - the ONLY person she could have chosen is the person she's actually admitted to loving. That person is Kaname and Kaname only.

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The problem that people are having, is that they're completely ignoring Yuuki's long-established feelings for Kaname because she's known Zero for four years and has a certain level of intimacy with him. Though that does pose a "love-triangle" of some sort, Yuuki's never told Zero, "I love you" nor has she ever thought, "I love Zero" - honestly, the whole Zero/Yuuki idea would hold ground if she ever admitted to loving him. It's quite difficult to propose an idea when you don't have any evidence to back it - Zero would be VERY possible if only she ever said/thought/expressed the same deep adoration and fondness towards him that she has for Kaname. But she hasn't. So as of this moment, Zero/Yuuki IS actually impossible - Zero can love her all he wants, but if she doesn't have that love for him, then she'll always go with Kaname. IF she actually does change sides later on, there will have to be HUGE extenuating circumstances and Kaname would have to do something so completely abominable that she actually grew to hate him (which would additionally take a long while to happen - no one can instantly hate a person they've loved for their entire life).

With all that said, I would say that Zero/Yuuki is slightly annoying simply because it has no real basis - most people who support that pair completely ignore Yuuki's feelings toward Kaname and only consider Zero's feelings towards Yuuki to be important at all. The whole basis of the Zero/Yuuki front is the fact that she protects him and he loves her (so therefore, she MUST secretly love him too because how could anyone protect another person and NOT be passionately in love with them? Of course she's in love with him, she just doesn't know it yet!) *Shrugs* Though it's true that in a fictional story anything can happen - in a GOOD fictional story (which Vampire Knight has been thus far); everything happens for a reason. So yes, while it is possible that in the future Yuuki could very well marry Zero, that would never happen as long as Kaname is alive and still Kaname (not morphed into some villain-type character just so she could be with Zero).

So again it all comes back to a need for consistency, especially when addressing character development in a drama: if Kaname undergoes a character personality change to Evil, Zero/Yuuki stands a chance. Kaname would have to be completely removed from the picture in order for Zero/Yuuki to ever be considered possible - Yuuki's love for Kaname would have to be wiped right off the face of the Earth in order for her to be with Zero. And it would have to be done believably in order for the series to not fall into 'typical' range. This is HIGHLY improbable of ever being pulled off correctly.


Your points are excellently presented.

There is one thing that I'm always not understand; why most of you would claim Yuuki doesn't like Zero, anyway? Yuuki's feeling, in the anime, is actually quite ambiguous. Her love towards Kaname and Zero doesn't have a fixed condition(that is why most of us are frustrated about her, because she never seems to make a clear line about friends and lovers)We NEVER actually know whether Yuuki loves Kaname only as a brother or something deeper, because it has never been clearly explained. Even if she doesn't like Zero, that doesn't mean she MUST love Kaname. Yes, as you have mentioned, she always has deep adoration towards Kaname, but so far, it CAN be considered as infatuation during the early episodes, as she doesn't know him deep enough, and it maybe a subconscious adoration towards a brother from a sister. A real GOOD fictional story will try to make some senses, too; a 15 years old girl is still TOO young to understand what is love(consists of very deep understanding towards her partner, which is still a bit too early for her at the moment) and knows who she should marry as well.

Yuuki doesn't need to change her mind only when Kaname has became a foul villain or something. We also forgot about that their compatibility can deal a great decision. Yeah...of course she is doing well with Kaname now, but how about the future when they need to be each others soul mates? We never know, and none of us can predict it.

Seriously, though, if she CAN actually make up her mind and be consistent about it at the very beginning, there won't be so many arguments about her, Kaname and Zero.

Besides...going with Kaname doesn't mean she doesn't love Zero. Like what I have mentioned before somewhere, story with maturity will know that regret is one of the elements of love. It is possible that she loves Zero, but leaves with Kaname due to some reasons. It is possible that she puts Kaname before Zero not because of boy-girl relationship; Kaname IS her brother, after all, even they are not going to be married, their blood relationship cannot be cut off. Well, these are just my personal opinions, anyway.

Oh, while we are talking about the anime, please try not to use examples in the manga, because in the anime, it is very obvious that they made some changes in it. They made Zero a bit soft, somehow. My opinions are developed merely based on the anime.



I'll break this down into a couple of points (This is uber long):



Also, just to clarify - I'm a fan of both Zero and Kaname. I think they're interesting characters and both have their strengths/perks and weaknesses. I also really love Yuuki (specifically, Pureblood Yuuki); so I don't have anything against any of these characters individually (though, I can make fun of all of them at times lol)


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Absolutely hated the ending. What kind of ending was that? Yuuki and Zero belong together and Kaname and Yuuki make the worst possible couple. Kaname is so emotionless and boring. Eww I really hate Kaname. But aside from the terrible ending couple, even if I was a KanamexYuuki fan (thank god I actually have taste and am not, though) I would still not be satisfied with that ending. Seriously, what was that? I was expecting the whole episode to be about them fighting Rido, but they defeated him in like the first 4 minutes! And I was expecting atleast one character to die (To add to the drama. Was also hoping it was Kaname). Then the whole rest of the episode is about how they're packing up to leave! Where were they going, anyways (I guess I didn't catch that part)? A terrible ending, them just walking off into the sunset (Well, not really, but you know what I mean). Anyways, even Kaname fans should be dissapointed. It. was. so. dumb.


Ah, I can tell you're one of those people who would probably (or probably already have) obsessed over Inuyasha/Kagome and every other pair that has one anger management-riddled hero with his slightly psychotic heroine.

1) "Kaname and Yuuki make the worst possible couple. Kaname is so emotionless and boring." I take it, this is because Zero threatening to kill Yuuki every four seconds is what makes Zero/Yuuki the best possible couple. I can definitely see how lively Zero is compared to Kaname!

2) lol I'd say the majority of Kaname/Yuuki fans have taste. There's nothing more tasteful (or romantic) than a Pureblooded vampire doing everything he can to ensure the safety of the woman he loves. There's nothing less romantic than Zero constantly feeling sorry for himself and Yuuki constantly having to protect him from his own self pity. Woe is me! I can't do anything by myself! You must kill me to end my pain! Save me from myself! Save me from hurting you! SAVE ME YUUKI!

3) Rido's instant kill is supposed to show just how powerful Zero is (which is even more amazingly expressed in the recent chapter of the manga). It was never supposed to last an episode - Bloody Rose's new form and his full power were supposed to amaze you enough to not mind the swiftness in which he executed a Pureblooded Vampire. However, the way they added the bit with Kaname in there was pretty... useless. He wasn't even there when Zero killed Rido (and he certainly didn't provide and 'opening' for the deathblow) - it was just Zero and Yuuki (and their finishing blow-combo).


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kookoo14 wrote:

Absolutely hated the ending. What kind of ending was that? Yuuki and Zero belong together and Kaname and Yuuki make the worst possible couple. Kaname is so emotionless and boring. Eww I really hate Kaname. But aside from the terrible ending couple, even if I was a KanamexYuuki fan (thank god I actually have taste and am not, though) I would still not be satisfied with that ending. Seriously, what was that? I was expecting the whole episode to be about them fighting Rido, but they defeated him in like the first 4 minutes! And I was expecting atleast one character to die (To add to the drama. Was also hoping it was Kaname). Then the whole rest of the episode is about how they're packing up to leave! Where were they going, anyways (I guess I didn't catch that part)? A terrible ending, them just walking off into the sunset (Well, not really, but you know what I mean). Anyways, even Kaname fans should be dissapointed. It. was. so. dumb.



Well now... I wouldn't say that.


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Ever since the very first episode, I always know Kaname & Yuuki were meant for each other. And at the conclusion of the series, it's fate that they truly belong together. I truly respect that Yuuki sees Zero as her adpotive brother. I'm sure that he can take care of himself. He must fulfill his duty of becoming a vampire hunter. I'll look forward to the manga in two weeks and see the continuing relationship of Kaname and his fiancee. I tip my hat off to you, Kaorustalker!
Posted 1/15/09 , edited 1/15/09
I didn't bother to read the whole thing, sorry. I kinda lost the interest in arguing over same topic again and again, because neither of us are completely correct nor wrong.

At the end of the day, it is still a matter of our own opinions. Different people see the stories in different way; in some people's view, true love doesn't need to always be romantic and mushy. I usually don't buy those romantic ideas; it is a bit outdated, honestly. Some people see them as a couple at the very beginning, but other people like me, it is their uncanny romantic part that actually repelled me away. So when I tried to read your explaination, I stopped half way because I don't see the story like the way you see it, so no point keep arguing, anyway.

I still don't approve the incest idea in any possible way, even if the story is based on supernatural theme, it is viewed by us who LIVE in a normal world. Sorry, I guess that would be my opinion problem >___> For me, the idea of incest is wrong, and will always be wrong, so consider me as a conservative, close-minded people.

Let's say that I accept the fact that they are together, but I just don't approve it.

Seriously, though, even if Yuuki don't want to go with Kaname, she shouldn't go with Zero, either. She is actually a type of jailbait that will cause trouble no matter who and where she is going, the two guys are too good for her... eh, no offense. As I slowly cool down and recall the story, I actually find Yuuki becoming more annoying. She is definitely not the type of main character that I will like.

Anyway, instead of focusing more on their love story, I expect more actions.
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