Fansubbing and bootlegging question
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I know fans feel dubs suck and licensed animes have bad translations. But here's the case: Translators try to stay true to the original and make sure the translations stay true to the original and have it match the lip flaps. Also, why are they opposed to a company like Funimation licensing something fairly quickly because the fans feel they will butcher it? True, you will have to wait but Funimation has half or whole series on the site for dub or sub for free or for a small price. For fansubbers, they think their translations are better than official translation subbings. Many fansubbers are amateurs and not "professionally qualified" to sub and even fansubbing fans sometimes notice how fansubbing can be inaccurate.

My overall point is: If the company quickly licenses and subs or even releases it simultaneously series releases, why are people opposed to it? Sure you may have to wait months or weeks but it can be worth the wait. Bootlegging is a serious issue for international copyright law.
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because it is!
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Personally I think Funimation make very good dubs and their dvds aren't that expensive. The subs aren't always 100% accurate but they're not terrible either
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People on average are opposed to licensing because the Official companies immediately having fansubbers dispose of their projects. Therefore those fans would lose their ability to watch these animes "free". At the same time, other official companies are not making money this way. If fansubbers continue to sub on licensed products, Official companies lose money as well, because in most cases fansubbers offer free videos while these same videos are being sold. Most people prefer free over paying. These are not true fans because they do not support enough to spend their money to keep economies going in the circles they need to. Eventually Official companies lose enough money to call Bankrupt and close down. Eventually this gets to Japanese production companies and distributors and they begin losing money as well. In the end, if there aren't enough true fans supporting these industries. Anime as we all know and love it, will fail and be buried away forever.
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Its really impossible to get perfect translations of anything. Especially between two languages as different as English and Japanese. I support fansubbing when it is the fastest way to get access to a series. But I support Dattebayo's decision to stop subbing Naruto: Shippuuden. Even though I may not like the official subs as much, I can get it much faster by paying a little bit of money for the anime membership.

So basically, I think it is okay to pirate something if there isn't another option, but when a fast official option comes about, it should be supported whole heartedly.
Posted 12/30/08

kadmos1 wrote:

I know fans feel dubs suck and licensed animes have bad translations. But here's the case: Translators try to stay true to the original and make sure the translations stay true to the original and have it match the lip flaps. Also, why are they opposed to a company like Funimation licensing something fairly quickly because the fans feel they will butcher it? True, you will have to wait but Funimation has half or whole series on the site for dub or sub for free or for a small price. For fansubbers, they think their translations are better than official translation subbings. Many fansubbers are amateurs and not "professionally qualified" to sub and even fansubbing fans sometimes notice how fansubbing can be inaccurate.

My overall point is: If the company quickly licenses and subs or even releases it simultaneously series releases, why are people opposed to it? Sure you may have to wait months or weeks but it can be worth the wait. Bootlegging is a serious issue for international copyright law.

This is mostly due to a lack of understanding of the copyright and licensing acts by the general fanbase, a minority of people who are ignorant with the general states of the anime industry, and a very small demographic of those who disrespect law and authority due to their selfish & greedy reasoning.

The CR user brennan composed a very thorough info site on copyright & licensing acts here: http://wiki.crunchyroll.com/Licensing. You can help yourself with the information if you so choosing.

On the other hand, as a former VHS fansubber 13 years ago, I can tell you that yes, what the internet fansub groups and their supporters are doing with illegitimate fansubs over the internet are indeed illegal. Because copyright infringement is the same as stealing intellectual properties: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-371988/The-Anime-Fansub-Groups-Stealing-From-Anime-Studio-One-Episode-At-A-Time.html?src=topbar

Also, the internet fansub groups and their supporters had been telling lies all this time in order to mask their infringing actions as something else:http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-381388/Two-Biggest-Lies-Told-By-Internet-Fansb-Groups-This-Is-A-Free-Fansub-Please-Support-This-Anime-Once-It-Gets-Licensed.html?src=topbar

Please feel free to contact either brennan or myself if you still have any question, or you can join this group in order to learn more about anime subculture: http://www.crunchyroll.com/group/Anime_Columnists?src=topbar
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