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Posted 4/9/09 , edited 4/9/09

Nedesukawaii wrote:

Getting comfort and support is part of what you gain from believing; they go by the hand. Besides you sir added "to get through the day and life, because they can't do it on their own" to the original sentence. That addition changes quite a bit your original statement to make the "big difference" you speak about :3


What I originaly said


"those who need the comfort and support of some higher power are generally weak minded people"


what i recently said


"people who need the "comfort and support" to get through the day and life, because they can't do it on their own"


they both mean pretty much the same thing, just worded a little differently.
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Everyone needs comfort and support sir. However by adding that they need it every single day because they can't do it themselves changes the meaning of the original statement, where you said "those who need the comfort and support of some higher power are generally weak minded people". The difference lies in the fact that in one you didn't specify how often did they need the comfort and support and you didn't specify that they weren't able of doing it themselves. See the difference? Do we really need to go through English 101? You modified your original statement to mean something else, quit trying to deny that.
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Nedesukawaii wrote:

Everyone needs comfort and support sir. However by adding that they need it every single day because they can't do it themselves changes the meaning of the original statement, where you said "those who need the comfort and support of some higher power are generally weak minded people". The difference lies in the fact that in one you didn't specify how often did they need the comfort and support and you didn't specify that they weren't able of doing it themselves. See the difference? Do we really need to go through English 101? You modified your original statement to mean something else, quit trying to deny that.


Ok, ok fine, thats true, i can go for that, that's fair. but no need to bite my head off.
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Relax, I'm just trying to make you realize that subtle changes in the wording can indeed make a "big difference" ;3
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Nedesukawaii wrote:

Relax, I'm just trying to make you realize that subtle changes in the wording can indeed make a "big difference" ;3


Fine, fair enough, but i still think someone who can't get through the day without needing god is a weak minded person. but the topic being, is religion dangerious, yes it is, its fucking deadly, it can cause genocides and mass murders and wars and such.
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and I agree with you there sir. Now a day and a whole life can be quite different. Sure, we're young, healthy, and relatively well off, but some people have it much harder. To this people faith can give them hope that life may get better. It's not bad to have a little faith in a higher power; the problem comes when people rely heavily on this higher power and expect it to solve all their problems.
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Nedesukawaii wrote:

and I agree with you there sir. Now a day and a whole life can be quite different. Sure, we're young, healthy, and relatively well off, but some people have it much harder. To this people faith can give them hope that life may get better. It's not bad to have a little faith in a higher power; the problem comes when people rely heavily on this higher power and expect it to solve all their problems.


You know just on a side note, its easier on me if you actually quote me, but whatever not quoting me works fine too.

Frankly this "higher power" in all his glory has caused far more problems that drastically outweigh the good its done. Its cause genocides and holy wars, millions of people were slaughtered in very interesting and amusing ways actually in the name of "god", seems like this "higher power" is either simply evil or sadastic and likes to make us kill each other. But hey i'm just looking at the over all shit this "higher power" has caused us to do, and put bluntly it causes us to kill each other quite often and in mass numbers. Doesn't seem like something I really want to be a part of myself.
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Nedesukawaii wrote:

and I agree with you there sir. Now a day and a whole life can be quite different. Sure, we're young, healthy, and relatively well off, but some people have it much harder. To this people faith can give them hope that life may get better. It's not bad to have a little faith in a higher power; the problem comes when people rely heavily on this higher power and expect it to solve all their problems.


You know just on a side note, its easier on me if you actually quote me, but whatever not quoting me works fine too.

Frankly this "higher power" in all his glory has caused far more problems that drastically outweigh the good its done. Its cause genocides and holy wars, millions of people were slaughtered in very interesting and amusing ways actually in the name of "god", seems like this "higher power" is either simply evil or sadastic and likes to make us kill each other. But hey i'm just looking at the over all shit this "higher power" has caused us to do, and put bluntly it causes us to kill each other quite often and in mass numbers. Doesn't seem like something I really want to be a part of myself.


It isn't the higher power the one that does it. The one responsible is man and man alone, who uses the higher power as an excuse to commit the most horrible brutalities. The church who claims to be the tool of the higher power is but a corrupt human institution. The bible? Written by men and misinterpreted by men. Think about it, throughout history man has used words like "love" and "justice" to justify even the most horrible acts. Does this mean love and justice on themselves are bad? I don't think so. The true evil lies in the men who play with the terms to give themselves an excuse for doing horrible acts.
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Nedesukawaii wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Nedesukawaii wrote:

and I agree with you there sir. Now a day and a whole life can be quite different. Sure, we're young, healthy, and relatively well off, but some people have it much harder. To this people faith can give them hope that life may get better. It's not bad to have a little faith in a higher power; the problem comes when people rely heavily on this higher power and expect it to solve all their problems.


You know just on a side note, its easier on me if you actually quote me, but whatever not quoting me works fine too.

Frankly this "higher power" in all his glory has caused far more problems that drastically outweigh the good its done. Its cause genocides and holy wars, millions of people were slaughtered in very interesting and amusing ways actually in the name of "god", seems like this "higher power" is either simply evil or sadastic and likes to make us kill each other. But hey i'm just looking at the over all shit this "higher power" has caused us to do, and put bluntly it causes us to kill each other quite often and in mass numbers. Doesn't seem like something I really want to be a part of myself.


It isn't the higher power the one that does it. The one responsible is man and man alone, who uses the higher power as an excuse to commit the most horrible brutalities. The church who claims to be the tool of the higher power is but a corrupt human institution. The bible? Written by men and misinterpreted by men. Think about it, throughout history man has used words like "love" and "justice" to justify even the most horrible acts. Does this mean love and justice on themselves are bad? I don't think so. The true evil lies in the men who play with the terms to give themselves an excuse for doing horrible acts.


Hehe, yeah, using the name of god to do the most cruel shit, amusing stuff no ? And yeah, the church is full of shit, all those church officals can kiss my ass. they can go fuck themselves with a bible. Hell if someone really wanted to, they could create a religion and use the name of god to create a fucking army and go take over a nation, hehe be kinda fun to do actually. It's happened in the past, and it'll happen again. and besides In the end there is no heaven or hell, just nothingness awaits you after death, utter nothingness, so just go live your one and only life and have fun while living.
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They tried, it's called Scientology. Now I myself don't really care about gods and the afterlife, I've always given those matters little thought. Wasting time wondering about the afterlife seems both dreadful and pointless to me. This, however does not mean other people shouldn't try religion as a way of self improvement. It isn't my cup of tea but I'm not gonna complain if you join a religion to help improve yourself as a person. Now I WILL complain if you join a religion and take a change for the worse but that is a completely different story.
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Allhailodin wrote:


Nedesukawaii wrote:

and I agree with you there sir. Now a day and a whole life can be quite different. Sure, we're young, healthy, and relatively well off, but some people have it much harder. To this people faith can give them hope that life may get better. It's not bad to have a little faith in a higher power; the problem comes when people rely heavily on this higher power and expect it to solve all their problems.


You know just on a side note, its easier on me if you actually quote me, but whatever not quoting me works fine too.

Frankly this "higher power" in all his glory has caused far more problems that drastically outweigh the good its done. Its cause genocides and holy wars, millions of people were slaughtered in very interesting and amusing ways actually in the name of "god", seems like this "higher power" is either simply evil or sadastic and likes to make us kill each other. But hey i'm just looking at the over all shit this "higher power" has caused us to do, and put bluntly it causes us to kill each other quite often and in mass numbers. Doesn't seem like something I really want to be a part of myself.


'Forget what the people did in his name, they hold no candle to what this god did suposible.
God has the largest kill count I have ever seen! Killing off everyone on the planet but a single family with a flood. Killing off a intire city not once but two time. Killing kids for laughing at a bald guy baldness. killing off the first born... ext ext.
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It's what Cuddlebuns said, no they are not dangerous alone. First of all, both are too general to be labeled anything in the first place, people keep referring to religion like there's only a couple and they all are the same thing. Atheism is just not believing in God, I don't see how that could be dangerous by itself.

People are what are dangerous, you can't put blame on religion, but it's an easy scapegoat so people do it all the time.
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Yei wrote:

It's what Cuddlebuns said, no they are not dangerous alone. First of all, both are too general to be labeled anything in the first place, people keep referring to religion like there's only a couple and they all are the same thing. Atheism is just not believing in God, I don't see how that could be dangerous by itself.

People are what are dangerous, you can't put blame on religion, but it's an easy scapegoat so people do it all the time.


Yeah, religion by itself isn't a problem, it's when someone decides to make it a tool for gaining power, thats where the problem lies, and that problem will probally never go away, as long as humans believe in god. Kinda sucks that people are stupid enough to fall for that tho, and it happens time and time again. Sad really.
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Yei wrote:

It's what Cuddlebuns said, no they are not dangerous alone. First of all, both are too general to be labeled anything in the first place, people keep referring to religion like there's only a couple and they all are the same thing. Atheism is just not believing in God, I don't see how that could be dangerous by itself.

People are what are dangerous, you can't put blame on religion, but it's an easy scapegoat so people do it all the time.


Yeah, religion by itself isn't a problem, it's when someone decides to make it a tool for gaining power, thats where the problem lies, and that problem will probally never go away, as long as humans believe in god. Kinda sucks that people are stupid enough to fall for that tho, and it happens time and time again. Sad really.


No, the problem will never go away as long as the humans who are causing it exist, which is probably forever. People are stupid for being violent, but it's more the fault of the corruption caused by people behind the scenes and society.
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Yei wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:

It's what Cuddlebuns said, no they are not dangerous alone. First of all, both are too general to be labeled anything in the first place, people keep referring to religion like there's only a couple and they all are the same thing. Atheism is just not believing in God, I don't see how that could be dangerous by itself.

People are what are dangerous, you can't put blame on religion, but it's an easy scapegoat so people do it all the time.


Yeah, religion by itself isn't a problem, it's when someone decides to make it a tool for gaining power, thats where the problem lies, and that problem will probally never go away, as long as humans believe in god. Kinda sucks that people are stupid enough to fall for that tho, and it happens time and time again. Sad really.


No, the problem will never go away as long as the humans who are causing it exist, which is probably forever. People are stupid for being violent, but it's more the fault of the corruption caused by people behind the scenes and society.


Nah human kind won't exist forever, I give us another few thousand years tops, quite possibly sooner, We either gonna destroy ourselves through some sheer stupidity or some geological thing(super volcano ?) is gonna kill us. So as far as I'm concerned humans can do whatever the hell they want, we are on borrowed time after all. We may dominate the world now, but we will come crashing down in some spectacular event (nuclear war/ super volcano?) But as long as "power" exists "corruption" will exist, simple concept, the solution, is to make sure no one person has any more power than anyone else. God for intelligent animals we sure are stupid.
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