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Posted 4/17/09

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It's what Cuddlebuns said, no they are not dangerous alone. First of all, both are too general to be labeled anything in the first place, people keep referring to religion like there's only a couple and they all are the same thing. Atheism is just not believing in God, I don't see how that could be dangerous by itself.

People are what are dangerous, you can't put blame on religion, but it's an easy scapegoat so people do it all the time.


Yeah, religion by itself isn't a problem, it's when someone decides to make it a tool for gaining power, thats where the problem lies, and that problem will probally never go away, as long as humans believe in god. Kinda sucks that people are stupid enough to fall for that tho, and it happens time and time again. Sad really.


No, the problem will never go away as long as the humans who are causing it exist, which is probably forever. People are stupid for being violent, but it's more the fault of the corruption caused by people behind the scenes and society.


Nah human kind won't exist forever, I give us another few thousand years tops, quite possibly sooner, We either gonna destroy ourselves through some sheer stupidity or some geological thing(super volcano ?) is gonna kill us. So as far as I'm concerned humans can do whatever the hell they want, we are on borrowed time after all. But as long as "power" exists "corruption" will exist, simple concept, the solution, is to make sure no one person has any more power than anyone else. God for intelligent animals we sure are stupid.


Yeah, it seems like our time in the world is very "played out", like we were meant to eventually get too smart for our own good and destroy everything. I think it's going to be a nuclear war, that's what makes the most sense right now.
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Yei wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:

It's what Cuddlebuns said, no they are not dangerous alone. First of all, both are too general to be labeled anything in the first place, people keep referring to religion like there's only a couple and they all are the same thing. Atheism is just not believing in God, I don't see how that could be dangerous by itself.

People are what are dangerous, you can't put blame on religion, but it's an easy scapegoat so people do it all the time.


Yeah, religion by itself isn't a problem, it's when someone decides to make it a tool for gaining power, thats where the problem lies, and that problem will probally never go away, as long as humans believe in god. Kinda sucks that people are stupid enough to fall for that tho, and it happens time and time again. Sad really.


No, the problem will never go away as long as the humans who are causing it exist, which is probably forever. People are stupid for being violent, but it's more the fault of the corruption caused by people behind the scenes and society.


Nah human kind won't exist forever, I give us another few thousand years tops, quite possibly sooner, We either gonna destroy ourselves through some sheer stupidity or some geological thing(super volcano ?) is gonna kill us. So as far as I'm concerned humans can do whatever the hell they want, we are on borrowed time after all. But as long as "power" exists "corruption" will exist, simple concept, the solution, is to make sure no one person has any more power than anyone else. God for intelligent animals we sure are stupid.


Yeah, it seems like our time in the world is very "played out", like we were meant to eventually get too smart for our own good and destroy everything. I think it's going to be a nuclear war, that's what makes the most sense right now.


A nuclear war would be interesting, Be interesting to see one in my lifetime, although pockets of humans would survive here and there, might even be enough to re-populate. Humans are very much like cockroaches in that manner. I think a geological catastrophe would be better than a nuclear war, cause if its geological there is nothing we can do to prevent it, we are at the mercy of mother nature, and a cataclysmic event like that would be the yellowstone caldera or any other caldera or simmilar size, if that went off, heh a nice chunk of the US would be turned into a lunar landscape, and be buried under a foot of ash and rock, be cool looking when it blows up tho, the ash thrown into the atmosphere would cool the planet and block out the sun killing off everything else. Be interesting
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what the hell you all talking US, nuclear, catastrophe lol........its out of topic...
Posted 6/30/09
i don't think either religion or the concept of atheism is dangerous. it all really pinpoint to the people making decisions that turn to violence or other impudent behavior. certain religions & the deportment it provides, it states the same thing about doing good in life & to your fellow brother & etc. it never mentioned to do harm & commit violence to people or altering (referring to removing things that weren't meant to be removed) the holy scripture. for those who "kill in the name god", is simply a excuse to blame God for their actions. as for atheism, i guess when a person who chooses to be atheist, & comes across someone who's not, violence can occur if both come to a disagreement. another way it can be dangerous is if atheists go randomly harass or assulat people who're indulged with religion.
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I think the type of thing you're describing is "extremeism". Which can be dangerous in ANY form, not just religious or anti-religious forms. I think we could all avoid situations like the ones you described if everyone just became open-minded and accepting of other people's beliefs (or at least agreed to disagree with them), and not get sucked into the conformism that happens when someone tries to unite people under one simplistic belief. If everyone learned to aquire some form of inner strength and self-assuredness, while at the same time being respectful to people's differences, massacres like those could be avoided.

Unfortunately, the collective intelligence of the human race is depressing. Plus, EVERYONE thinks what they're doing is "right", so...it'd be really hard to convince everyone otherwise.
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i apologize for not adding to the discussion, but this is worth it...if you haven't seen it already its a must watch:

Dane Cook - Vicious Circle - Atheist Sneeze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA

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i apologize for not adding to the discussion, but this is worth it...if you haven't seen it already its a must watch:

Dane Cook - Vicious Circle - Atheist Sneeze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA



OK I take your Dane Cook and raze you a " George Carlin - Religion is bullshit, and Penn & Teller; The Bible is Bullshit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related

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rizzyman wrote:

i apologize for not adding to the discussion, but this is worth it...if you haven't seen it already its a must watch:

Dane Cook - Vicious Circle - Atheist Sneeze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA



OK I take your Dane Cook and raze you a " George Carlin - Religion is bullshit, and Penn & Teller; The Bible is Bullshit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related



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Posted 7/1/09

rizzyman wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


rizzyman wrote:

i apologize for not adding to the discussion, but this is worth it...if you haven't seen it already its a must watch:

Dane Cook - Vicious Circle - Atheist Sneeze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA



OK I take your Dane Cook and raze you a " George Carlin - Religion is bullshit, and Penn & Teller; The Bible is Bullshit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


rizzyman wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


rizzyman wrote:

i apologize for not adding to the discussion, but this is worth it...if you haven't seen it already its a must watch:

Dane Cook - Vicious Circle - Atheist Sneeze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA



OK I take your Dane Cook and raze you a " George Carlin - Religion is bullshit, and Penn & Teller; The Bible is Bullshit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

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i hate that argument, if we had a god then He wouldnt make us suffer....

its the stupidest thing i've ever heard, and i've heard it far too many times.

Humans have free will, meaning we can do whatever the hell we want. The only way to ensure humans don't suffer is to take away our free will and make us mindless drones. Then the world will be at peace. But as long as we have free will, no peace, and all the problems will exist.
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Posted 7/1/09

rizzyman wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


rizzyman wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


rizzyman wrote:

i apologize for not adding to the discussion, but this is worth it...if you haven't seen it already its a must watch:

Dane Cook - Vicious Circle - Atheist Sneeze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7tpBEXgxTA



OK I take your Dane Cook and raze you a " George Carlin - Religion is bullshit, and Penn & Teller; The Bible is Bullshit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related



the link is not working


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

'Just copy and past them in your Explorer.'


i hate that argument, if we had a god then He wouldnt make us suffer....

its the stupidest thing i've ever heard, and i've heard it far too many times.

Humans have free will, meaning we can do whatever the hell we want. The only way to ensure humans don't suffer is to take away our free will and make us mindless drones. Then the world will be at peace. But as long as we have free will, no peace, and all the problems will exist.


Wen did any of them say anything about free will....? Or about people Suffering.?
Did you really watch them both?

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Wen did any of them say anything about free will....? Or about people Suffering.?
Did you really watch them both?



George Carlin mentions war, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption>> basically human suffering
he doesnt directly say theres no god, or doesnt ask the question, but its what hes implying.

im jus taking that and saying i've heard the argument before.

i figured its appropriate to bring up considering the thread
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Posted 7/1/09

rizzyman wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Wen did any of them say anything about free will....? Or about people Suffering.?
Did you really watch them both?



George Carlin mentions war, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption>> basically human suffering
he doesnt directly say theres no god, or doesnt ask the question, but its what hes implying.

im jus taking that and saying i've heard the argument before.

i figured its appropriate to bring up considering the thread


Was he not more Implying that it was the religion it self that creates most of that.

Last time I checked the avridge christian was more likely to suffer than the Atheist. So does that mean choosing god is to choose to suffer in this world? Most Atheist are Moral people who live life to its fullest. Most christians I know don't. So most of the Suffering is created by the people them selfs. That is the freedom to choose I chose to live life to the fullest and not suffer. Does not mean I have to give up thinking logicaly. If I did that I be religous.
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idk i believe in my own stuff i dnt believe in a god but i believe in reincarnation. not just confined 2 earth reincarnation in other universes and dimensions. a little sci fi
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Was he not more Implying that it was the religion it self that creates most of that.

Last time I checked the avridge christian was more likely to suffer than the Atheist. So does that mean choosing god is to choose to suffer in this world? Most Atheist are Moral people who live life to its fullest. Most christians I know don't. So most of the Suffering is created by the people them selfs. That is the freedom to choose I chose to live life to the fullest and not suffer. Does not mean I have to give up thinking logicaly. If I did that I be religous.


the way he said it sounded to me like he was saying God messed up by creating this mess. he never realli said anything to imply its the fault of the ppl, he kept blaming God, but of course he did always mention "if there is a God", in a tone that implied, "there isnt a God, but for arguments sake lets say there is".

but the thing im trying to bring up here is that ppl keep blaming God for their problems, becuz its easy and once u blame Him it ends there.

I don't have anything against athiests don't get me wrong, i'm very open minded to all walks of life, except vegans and vegetarians, i don't understand how people can't eat meat.

but what i'm trying to say is as long as you have free will, you can do anything, whether it be good or bad. That applies to ALL people. To tell you the truth athiests more often than not are some of the most logical and sound of mind ppl i have met. And thats obvious in their choice to not "blindly" follow religion.

But what you have to understand is that religion is faith, it cannot be absolutely proven, nor can it be disproven.
You can't say look at all the suffering, a God wouldn't let this happen, hence there is no God.

But i do agree with you, some of the most harm causing people in the world are those belonging to a religion, but take into account that a VAST majority of the world follows a religion, and these are the people who are "borrowing" the name of the religion for their own stupid purposes, OR they are mislead as to the meaning of certain things in the religion, and act upon it in a violent and/or inappropriate manner.

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