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How can Christians believe in a God where everything is contradicting?
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Was he not more Implying that it was the religion it self that creates most of that.

Last time I checked the avridge christian was more likely to suffer than the Atheist. So does that mean choosing god is to choose to suffer in this world? Most Atheist are Moral people who live life to its fullest. Most christians I know don't. So most of the Suffering is created by the people them selfs. That is the freedom to choose I chose to live life to the fullest and not suffer. Does not mean I have to give up thinking logicaly. If I did that I be religous.


the way he said it sounded to me like he was saying God messed up by creating this mess. he never realli said anything to imply its the fault of the ppl, he kept blaming God, but of course he did always mention "if there is a God", in a tone that implied, "there isnt a God, but for arguments sake lets say there is".

but the thing im trying to bring up here is that ppl keep blaming God for their problems, becuz its easy and once u blame Him it ends there.

I don't have anything against athiests don't get me wrong, i'm very open minded to all walks of life, except vegans and vegetarians, i don't understand how people can't eat meat.

but what i'm trying to say is as long as you have free will, you can do anything, whether it be good or bad. That applies to ALL people. To tell you the truth athiests more often than not are some of the most logical and sound of mind ppl i have met. And thats obvious in their choice to not "blindly" follow religion.

But what you have to understand is that religion is faith, it cannot be absolutely proven, nor can it be disproven.
You can't say look at all the suffering, a God wouldn't let this happen, hence there is no God.

But i do agree with you, some of the most harm causing people in the world are those belonging to a religion, but take into account that a VAST majority of the world follows a religion, and these are the people who are "borrowing" the name of the religion for their own stupid purposes, OR they are mislead as to the meaning of certain things in the religion, and act upon it in a violent and/or inappropriate manner.

Now I agree with you.

How can anyone Not Eat Meat! Humans only have the brain power they have today do to the fact they ate meat.

As for religion the faith thing is the key to why I can not be religious. Every Fiber in my body tells me, that to believe in something something must first have evidence for it. If I my self can not prove it to be real I can not no matter what believe it. Hell I Have faith in my brother having my back wen I am in trouble, but that faith comes from the fact he has had my back in the past befor.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
Now I agree with you.

How can anyone Not Eat Meat! Humans only have the brain power they have today do to the fact they ate meat.

As for religion the faith thing is the key to why I can not be religious. Every Fiber in my body tells me, that to believe in something something must first have evidence for it. If I my self can not prove it to be real I can not no matter what believe it. Hell I Have faith in my brother having my back wen I am in trouble, but that faith comes from the fact he has had my back in the past befor.



First of all:

Humans only have the brain power they have today do to the fact they ate meat.

LMAO


now to be serious

i think the ability to have faith in the "unknown" is what will be the main differentiating factor between followers of religions and atheists. The whole vidence issue realli onli started a few centuries back with the development of science and scientific procedures. I personally do study science but you have to draw a line between sciecne and religion sumwhere, and it just happens to be in what you cannot see.

Don't get me wrong tho religion and science has a lot of parallels, but the existence of God is sumthing no one can ever know.
And frankly if we could see God then the faith part mite be lost.
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How can Christians believe in a God where everything is contradicting?


I'm not christian, but u'll have to elaborate
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rizzyman wrote:


tjgriggs wrote:

How can Christians believe in a God where everything is contradicting?


I'm not christian, but u'll have to elaborate


Well there's a lot if you really get into it but to keep it short and simple. God loves EVERYONE no matter what you have done which is what many Christians claim, yet God will send you to Hell for all of eternity. Doesn't make much sense there
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tjgriggs wrote:


rizzyman wrote:


tjgriggs wrote:

How can Christians believe in a God where everything is contradicting?


I'm not christian, but u'll have to elaborate


Well there's a lot if you really get into it but to keep it short and simple. God loves EVERYONE no matter what you have done which is what many Christians claim, yet God will send you to Hell for all of eternity. Doesn't make much sense there


it does get confusing like that. I've had 2 instances in which ppl have preached christianity to me. And the main point has always been the same, as long as u r christian, God will forgive all ur sins and send u to heaven. One time it was a baptist the other was catholic. So i always figured it was like God loves u (christians) and will send u to hell (non-christians).
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rizzyman wrote:


tjgriggs wrote:


rizzyman wrote:


tjgriggs wrote:

How can Christians believe in a God where everything is contradicting?


I'm not christian, but u'll have to elaborate


Well there's a lot if you really get into it but to keep it short and simple. God loves EVERYONE no matter what you have done which is what many Christians claim, yet God will send you to Hell for all of eternity. Doesn't make much sense there


it does get confusing like that. I've had 2 instances in which ppl have preached christianity to me. And the main point has always been the same, as long as u r christian, God will forgive all ur sins and send u to heaven. One time it was a baptist the other was catholic. So i always figured it was like God loves u (christians) and will send u to hell (non-christians).


Ya understandable somewhat, but in reality supposively God made EACH of us in his image and knows what decisions we will make throughout life. That includes everyone. So that would technically mean he knew ahead of time that he would just be creating people just to condemn them to hell. How can a so called loving God do this to people? Creating them just to send them to eternal suffering in the end? This is just basic stuff right here. I really don't like talking about this topic online because it's really hard to communicate back and forth when people are typing and things can get really wordy.
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tjgriggs wrote:


rizzyman wrote:


tjgriggs wrote:


rizzyman wrote:


tjgriggs wrote:

How can Christians believe in a God where everything is contradicting?


I'm not christian, but u'll have to elaborate


Well there's a lot if you really get into it but to keep it short and simple. God loves EVERYONE no matter what you have done which is what many Christians claim, yet God will send you to Hell for all of eternity. Doesn't make much sense there


it does get confusing like that. I've had 2 instances in which ppl have preached christianity to me. And the main point has always been the same, as long as u r christian, God will forgive all ur sins and send u to heaven. One time it was a baptist the other was catholic. So i always figured it was like God loves u (christians) and will send u to hell (non-christians).


Ya understandable somewhat, but in reality supposively God made EACH of us in his image and knows what decisions we will make throughout life. That includes everyone. So that would technically mean he knew ahead of time that he would just be creating people just to condemn them to hell. How can a so called loving God do this to people? Creating them just to send them to eternal suffering in the end? This is just basic stuff right here. I really don't like talking about this topic online because it's really hard to communicate back and forth when people are typing and things can get really wordy.


thats tru its hard to communicate via threads.
But in the end i guess its the little and most basic of things that make or break a religion for someone
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SeraphAlford wrote:

Do you feel that religion is dangerous? What about atheism? There are many people who would condemn either one of these ideologies, but what’s your opinion? Personally, I don’t think either one is particularly dangerous by itself. However, I think that any form of mass scale and organized ideology can become a threat.

Perhaps a perfect example of this comes in the French Revolution. In pursuit of “Lady Reason,” the rebels not only obliterated a corrupt monarchy (executing King Louis, murdering his wife and kids, and literally mutilating his court) they also massacred countless myriads of innocent people.

Even after capturing their nation and gaining power they were not happy. In pursuit of “Lady Reason,” they attacked Christianity. They raided churches and slaughtered worshipers. Priests were drowned in lakes. Anybody who tried to defend the church was labeled a traitor to the cause and executed. 12,000 were executed without a trial. 17,000 more were executed with a trail. An even greater number of ‘traitors,’ were imprisoned and died in the dungeons.

A still greater number were slaughtered in the streets. The deaths caused by this war were not limited to killings. The war also caused the spread of disease. Hundreds of thousands of Europeans perished from small pox during the French Revolution.

Seeing the nation in peril Prussia, Austria, and Briton also attacked France causing more deaths. All of this was caused not by religion but anti-religious sentiments and politics.

What're your opinions?


Extremist are bad.

Extreme vegans can become eco-terrorist. Extreme people of any religion can become terrorist. Extreme pacifist may be the only group which doesn't cause mass death, but even then you might get a pacifist by force group (force world peace) and that would likely cause many deaths. Even extremist water drinkers can give themselves water poisoning.

Extremist are bad.

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The real issue is not "can this ideology to cause people to do terrible things", but rather 'how likely is this ideology to cause people to do terrible things".
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haha that's pretty good right there..
and i think its pretty obvious that the answer to that is more than very likely
which in essence says that religion is not bad, it just causes people to do bad things
honestly i dont blame people who make that connection and say that religion is bad
it makes sense if you think about it
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The real issue is not "can this ideology to cause people to do terrible things", but rather 'how likely is this ideology to cause people to do terrible things".


It often depends on the people in question. Are we dealing with someone who is level headed and thinks though their actions, or someone is lets their emotions lead the way.
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Describing atheism as a group is like calling bald a hair colour. Atheists are not a cohesive group it is like making a word that means non-plumber and making that some sort of perceived threat. If you don't see what I mean let me elaborate; there is no group of atheists which is secretly pondering the destruction of humanity based on some ideological ploy. Atheism is nothing more than than a descriptor applied to a group of individuals where the only unifying thing is their disbelief in god.
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Depends what religion.
If god asked me if I would wanted to go to heaven or hell. I would pick hell, as then i would be with intellectual people. Heaven would be full of idiots who thinks that if they follow gods way they will go there. If god created life, then who is he to condemn us to hell if we do not believe in him, who is he to judge us? How can he be all loving?
If he has shown no sign of his existance, (that is not from a christians point of view, as in scientifically proven), how can he judge us? If he has all the powers in the universe, why does he let us suffer. The truth is, if we are sinful, he would be the most sinful out of all of us.
The only religion which I think is fair is buddhism, though I don't believe in most of what is there either. It states that you do not have to believe in buddhism, if you lead a healthy way of life, good karma will be bestowed upon you and vice versa.
So if hell is where intellectuals go, then i'd rather be there instead of heaven.
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Religion is not dangerous, the believers are.
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