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I’ve been following the Hama Israel issue pretty closely, reading a few articles from a few different sources. As discussed in the other thread, Israel has been bombing the Hama terrorists in retaliation to a missile attack on residential neighborhoods. They’ve now begun targeting the homes of Hama leaders. That means that their own attacks are steadily moving into residential areas as well. They’re not targeting civilians like the Hama, but civilian casualties are climbing pretty rapidly.

During the first attack about 315 people were killed and less than 20 of these were civilians. By the time they’d reached 390, however, about 60 civilians had died. Israel’s solution to this problem is something I find…a bit odd.

They’re dropping leaflets, firing warning-duds, sending e-mail alerts, and calling Palestinian citizens by phone and warning them of oncoming attacks in the area. They're also sending food, medicine, cloths and similar supplies to help citizens. In addition Israel assited hundreds of Palestinians to flee Gaza. Foreigners in the area are being escorted out and sent back to their home nations.

I can’t help but wonder…WTF? Does any one else think that this is about the weirdest thing ever? Since when do warring nations warn each other of incoming attacks?

Do you think Israel is sincerely trying to help keep innocent deaths down, or do you think it's a political move?
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I wonder if their target isn't Hamas members, but the buildings and supplies within them. Maybe the rest of the locations are near civilian areas. Honestly if a Palestinian hated Israel, and they called him and told him to leave or risk his life in a near bombing, I think they would probably stay out of defiance of Israel (not saying all Palestinians are like this, but there are enough to raise the civilian death count by 40)
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digs wrote:

I wonder if their target isn't Hamas members, but the buildings and supplies within them. Maybe the rest of the locations are near civilian areas. Honestly if a Palestinian hated Israel, and they called him and told him to leave or risk his life in a near bombing, I think they would probably stay out of defiance of Israel (not saying all Palestinians are like this, but there are enough to raise the civilian death count by 40)


I think it’s kind of funny that you said that since Rayan (a Hama leader,) did just that. He kept his four wives and his children in the house. The initial bombing shattered walls and tore off the roof. It then triggered a secondary explosion of ammunitions and explosive Rayan had stored in his house, causing the building to collapse and severely damaging nearby buildings.

Well, pretty much everyone in Gaza is freaked out. They’re scattering in all directions. Israel has allowed the UN to set up shelters at local schools and has agreed not to target these areas. They’re blasting underground supply routes and smuggling tunnels along the Egyptian border. So, really, while they say that their goal is to attack Hama leaders I don’t think that’s true.

The Hama leaders (except defiant ones like Rayan,) have all gone into hiding. While they’re away their supplies are being obliterated.
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Gaza is densely populated and under lockdown though Gaza wall in Egypt is down so civilian casualties are expected, despite Israel efforts to hit military targets. I just read a report (unconfirmed) from an Israel leader that Hamas are hiding in Hospitals so I am slightly concerned that Hospitals or ambulances will be targeted next.

I spoke to SeraphAlford before that I am hanging back to see how this pans out but decided to share some links with everyone. Please pray for the safety of all innocent Palestinian and Israeli.

1. Israel Defence Forces- http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk
2. BBC latest- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7808825.stm
3. Gaza wall down- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/27/israelandthepalestinians.peterbeaumont
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SeraphAlford wrote:

I’ve been following the Hama Israel issue pretty closely, reading a few articles from a few different sources. As discussed in the other thread, Israel has been bombing the Hama terrorists in retaliation to a missile attack on residential neighborhoods. They’ve now begun targeting the homes of Hama leaders. That means that their own attacks are steadily moving into residential areas as well. They’re not targeting civilians like the Hama, but civilian casualties are climbing pretty rapidly.

During the first attack about 315 people were killed and less than 20 of these were civilians. By the time they’d reached 390, however, about 60 civilians had died. Israel’s solution to this problem is something I find…a bit odd.

They’re dropping leaflets, firing warning-duds, sending e-mail alerts, and calling Palestinian citizens by phone and warning them of oncoming attacks in the area. They're also sending food, medicine, cloths and similar supplies to help citizens. In addition Israel assited hundreds of Palestinians to flee Gaza. Foreigners in the area are being escorted out and sent back to their home nations.

I can’t help but wonder…WTF? Does any one else think that this is about the weirdest thing ever? Since when do warring nations warn each other of incoming attacks?

Do you think Israel is sincerely trying to help keep innocent deaths down, or do you think it's a political move?


its all bout politics. For their own purposes
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azera wrote:

its all bout politics. For their own purposes


Do you have any evidence of this claim or is it just based off of a personal bias/hunch?
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SeraphAlford wrote:

I’ve been following the Hama Israel issue pretty closely, reading a few articles from a few different sources. As discussed in the other thread, Israel has been bombing the Hama terrorists in retaliation to a missile attack on residential neighborhoods. They’ve now begun targeting the homes of Hama leaders. That means that their own attacks are steadily moving into residential areas as well. They’re not targeting civilians like the Hama, but civilian casualties are climbing pretty rapidly.

During the first attack about 315 people were killed and less than 20 of these were civilians. By the time they’d reached 390, however, about 60 civilians had died. Israel’s solution to this problem is something I find…a bit odd.

They’re dropping leaflets, firing warning-duds, sending e-mail alerts, and calling Palestinian citizens by phone and warning them of oncoming attacks in the area. They're also sending food, medicine, cloths and similar supplies to help citizens. In addition Israel assited hundreds of Palestinians to flee Gaza. Foreigners in the area are being escorted out and sent back to their home nations.

I can’t help but wonder…WTF? Does any one else think that this is about the weirdest thing ever? Since when do warring nations warn each other of incoming attacks?

Do you think Israel is sincerely trying to help keep innocent deaths down, or do you think it's a political move?


I can see why you might think its political, but I think it's a little of both. They're going to get other countries on their side because of it, and save innocent lives, and the citizens could 1) move and hate the Israelis, 2) move and support the Israeli's, or 3) not give a fuck and just stay there. I think it's a pretty smart tactic.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


azera wrote:

its all bout politics. For their own purposes


Do you have any evidence of this claim or is it just based off of a personal bias/hunch?


wait i think i didnt read properly LOL......
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hi,
I can't believe that israel wants good for palastinians,it's simple like this,i can't believe that giving me a warning before bombarding my house is an"human act",no,sorry!
Nothing surprises me from Israel anymore,but telling lies to the world like that is just...
Anyway,the people who shot a father & a son like this can do anything!!
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Propaganda.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

I’ve been following the Hama Israel issue pretty closely, reading a few articles from a few different sources. As discussed in the other thread, Israel has been bombing the Hama terrorists in retaliation to a missile attack on residential neighborhoods. They’ve now begun targeting the homes of Hama leaders. That means that their own attacks are steadily moving into residential areas as well. They’re not targeting civilians like the Hama, but civilian casualties are climbing pretty rapidly.

During the first attack about 315 people were killed and less than 20 of these were civilians. By the time they’d reached 390, however, about 60 civilians had died. Israel’s solution to this problem is something I find…a bit odd.

They’re dropping leaflets, firing warning-duds, sending e-mail alerts, and calling Palestinian citizens by phone and warning them of oncoming attacks in the area. They're also sending food, medicine, cloths and similar supplies to help citizens. In addition Israel assited hundreds of Palestinians to flee Gaza. Foreigners in the area are being escorted out and sent back to their home nations.

I can’t help but wonder…WTF? Does any one else think that this is about the weirdest thing ever? Since when do warring nations warn each other of incoming attacks?

Do you think Israel is sincerely trying to help keep innocent deaths down, or do you think it's a political move?


isreal is trying to eliminate the gaza strip because they want that land for themselves......the palistinians have been giving them trouble since the isrealis stole it from them,,,,,,

my personal idea is that somebody on isreals side must have shot a feww rockets from gaza to act as if they were being provoked...and then isreal would run in and take back the whole place...by force...while looking innocent
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hitsuguya_akira wrote:

my personal idea is that somebody on isreals side must have shot a feww rockets from gaza to act as if they were being provoked...and then isreal would run in and take back the whole place...by force...while looking innocent


Israel doesn’t want Gaza. Why the hell would they? It’s the equivalent of Gehenna, man. That’s a load of dung. Israel didn’t steal the land from Palestine. Palestine negotiated border agreements with fledgling Israel via the UN. They UN screwed the Palestinians over in the deal. When they realized they’d been cheated-by the United Nations, not Israel-they decided to go back on the deal. They started a war and lost. The consequence of that war was that Israel ceased more land.

Besides, Palestine was Israel until Titus force the Jews out and renamed it in the late first century CE.
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I can see why you might think its political, but I think it's a little of both. They're going to get other countries on their side because of it, and save innocent lives, and the citizens could 1) move and hate the Israelis, 2) move and support the Israeli's, or 3) not give a fuck and just stay there. I think it's a pretty smart tactic.


I suppose you might be right. I don’t see any reason why Israel would want to kill innocent people. It’s not like they’d gain anything from it. I suppose you can consider it like the cigarette company that spent all that money on charity while they had a good reputation. Then, when their reputation went downhill, their public image staff went back, retrieved the files of the charity, and spent twice as much money advertising it. Israel is doing something to save lives, advertising it for political purposes.

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Akisame-sama wrote:
I can see why you might think its political, but I think it's a little of both. They're going to get other countries on their side because of it, and save innocent lives, and the citizens could 1) move and hate the Israelis, 2) move and support the Israeli's, or 3) not give a fuck and just stay there. I think it's a pretty smart tactic.


I suppose you might be right. I don’t see any reason why Israel would want to kill innocent people. It’s not like they’d gain anything from it. I suppose you can consider it like the cigarette company that spent all that money on charity while they had a good reputation. Then, when their reputation went downhill, their public image staff went back, retrieved the files of the charity, and spent twice as much money advertising it. Israel is doing something to save lives, advertising it for political purposes.



they're testing out their new tech....dont u know.
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hitsuguya_akira wrote:

they're testing out their new tech....dont u know.


They're not using new tech. They're using the same weapons they used the last time Palestine started a war with them. Do you really have anything other than bull to say or are you just going to keep blowing smoke out of your ass? Because, I'm getting sick of notifications with your avi on them now.
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