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A lot of people staunchly defend even the most extreme form of democracy. Personally, I don’t know that I like true democracy. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. Just because the larger group wants something, doesn’t mean the smaller group should be subjected to it.

What are your opinions?
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Democracy = Able to choose a leader under the opinion of the people

Tyranny = Overpowering people to make you their leader

....right?
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Democratic Republic of Korea...
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SeraphAlford wrote:

A lot of people staunchly defend even the most extreme form of democracy. Personally, I don’t know that I like true democracy. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. Just because the larger group wants something, doesn’t mean the smaller group should be subjected to it.

What are your opinions?


Ahh, yes, mobocracy, mob tyranny, how could we escape that, but then again, can you propose a government that isn't a tyranny? But then again: tyranny: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator. So in what sense, is democracy a tyranny? Our leaders are restricted by the constitution (in most countries that is), therefore they do not have absolute power meaning that they don't have tyranny, and the majority do not have the ability to pass laws, only suggest and encourage the passing of a particular law.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

A lot of people staunchly defend even the most extreme form of democracy. Personally, I don’t know that I like true democracy. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. Just because the larger group wants something, doesn’t mean the smaller group should be subjected to it.

What are your opinions?


To solve your problem, you should go live alone on a deserted island. You now have no majority nor minority. Of course you're a dictatorship now but thats better than democracy eh?

Or you could convince people that the minority should be the one making the decisions. That would work great when 1 person out of a million decides to pass a law that "anyone eating apples while in clothes and walking past a vehicle shoud be executed by lethal injection". Since he's the minority, the law should be passed no? Heck lets even make it "any food item" instead of apples, would make for more executions

Lets even adopt the minority not accepting the majority opinion in any group usage not just governments. So most of your friends decide to go see a movie, you don't like it so you reject the suggestion. Maybe you can beat them up for suggesting it too. Then later your parent decided that moving across state to a new job location would be better than staying unemployed but you disagree because your want to stay exactly where you are. So they disown you and leave you to fend for yourself. Maybe you can beat them up for that too.

Hey if all of that don't sound too nice, got any better solutions?
Posted 1/2/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

A lot of people staunchly defend even the most extreme form of democracy. Personally, I don’t know that I like true democracy. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. Just because the larger group wants something, doesn’t mean the smaller group should be subjected to it.

What are your opinions?


Which is why we have things like the constitution.

And honestly the only way to get out of not listening to what anybody says if you don't agree with it is anarchy.
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Ahh, yes, mobocracy, mob tyranny, how could we escape that, but then again, can you propose a government that isn't a tyranny? But then again: tyranny: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator. So in what sense, is democracy a tyranny? Our leaders are restricted by the constitution (in most countries that is), therefore they do not have absolute power meaning that they don't have tyranny, and the majority do not have the ability to pass laws, only suggest and encourage the passing of a particular law.


That's because our government isn't a democracy. It's a republic. In a true democracy the majority has absolute control and there are no constitutional limitations on the majority.
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To solve your problem, you should go live alone on a deserted island. You now have no majority nor minority. Of course you're a dictatorship now but thats better than democracy eh?

Or you could convince people that the minority should be the one making the decisions. That would work great when 1 person out of a million decides to pass a law that "anyone eating apples while in clothes and walking past a vehicle shoud be executed by lethal injection". Since he's the minority, the law should be passed no? Heck lets even make it "any food item" instead of apples, would make for more executions

Lets even adopt the minority not accepting the majority opinion in any group usage not just governments. So most of your friends decide to go see a movie, you don't like it so you reject the suggestion. Maybe you can beat them up for suggesting it too. Then later your parent decided that moving across state to a new job location would be better than staying unemployed but you disagree because your want to stay exactly where you are. So they disown you and leave you to fend for yourself. Maybe you can beat them up for that too.

Hey if all of that don't sound too nice, got any better solutions?


Lolz.

So, if the majority decides they want to enslave the minority they should have that right and slavery is good?
Posted 1/2/09
There's an episode in the jdrama Liar Game where a minority rules over majority. It was a good switch.
I'm bad on explaining things so if you guys are interested of what I'm talking about, then watch it.
Posted 1/2/09

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the_glob wrote:

To solve your problem, you should go live alone on a deserted island. You now have no majority nor minority. Of course you're a dictatorship now but thats better than democracy eh?

Or you could convince people that the minority should be the one making the decisions. That would work great when 1 person out of a million decides to pass a law that "anyone eating apples while in clothes and walking past a vehicle shoud be executed by lethal injection". Since he's the minority, the law should be passed no? Heck lets even make it "any food item" instead of apples, would make for more executions

Lets even adopt the minority not accepting the majority opinion in any group usage not just governments. So most of your friends decide to go see a movie, you don't like it so you reject the suggestion. Maybe you can beat them up for suggesting it too. Then later your parent decided that moving across state to a new job location would be better than staying unemployed but you disagree because your want to stay exactly where you are. So they disown you and leave you to fend for yourself. Maybe you can beat them up for that too.

Hey if all of that don't sound too nice, got any better solutions?


Lolz.

So, if the majority decides they want to enslave the minority they should have that right and slavery is good?


Which is why you set laws that prevent the majority from doing what they want even if they want it.

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Which is why you set laws that prevent the majority from doing what they want even if they want it.



That's...kinda the point I'm making. I prefer a constitutional democracy over a true democracy, and even then it's not entirely perfect.
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The major problem about democracies is manipulation. People don't examine parties and tend to vote one party all the time and view the other as the lowliest scum on earth. People can be easily manipulated. For instance, people might say "X candidate is racist and is going to make life tougher for black people." Or they might say to seniors "X candidate wants to take away your benefits, you better vote for me." What they say is 99% of the time a lie, but they bank on the fact that people are dumb enough to not check the other candidates or do critical analysis of both. A democracy is a funny thing, it can be the most conservative thing on the planet, or it can be the most liberal thing. A democracy only functions as well as the voters that run it, and from what I see most people are not critical thinkers and are selfish. I support a democratic republic with many checks and balances as the ideal form of government. Also a government with a small federal government that puts more law-making powers in the hands of the states. That way even if by some chance checks and balances get ignored or become politically monopolized, there will always be protection for the political minority.
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Democracy works if people are informed
Democracy is a model and its similar to free market economics. It works on the principle that all people have the right to vote for their leaders and the public is well-informed, educated and not susceptible to emotion such as fear or hate. The people undergoing the process of holding and evaluating the election results should be separate and non-partisan.

Failure of Democracy
They have been cases where Democracy HAVE failed despite many trumping it as the ultimate form of governance.
1. Prime example was Hitler's rose to power in Germany democratically through the Nazi party by stoking German's uncertainties and fears, The humiliation suffered from the Versailles Treaty, The Great Depression, Communist insurgency and the apparent wealth of Jews who are believe to be taking jobs from ordinary working Germans.

2. USA had always trump democracy in their foreign policies and they had cake on their faces when attempts to bring democracy in Palestine allowed the militant Hamas to gain a majority by which America did a turn around and delegitimize the results and supported the Fatah government to stay in power.

Despite shortcomings, most countries adopt system of government similar to democracy
That is not to say Democracy has not been successful, certain countries have embraced democracy such as Britain, France, USA and even Japan and have enjoyed growth. Despite all its inherent flaws, a large number of countries are adopting policies which matches closely to Democracy, but adopt other forms of government alongside it which matches their country best.

PS: Usually people who tell other people to check their facts are usually the ones who don't have the correct facts themselves.
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SeraphAlford wrote:
Lolz.

So, if the majority decides they want to enslave the minority they should have that right and slavery is good?


This is frankly stupid. How stupid? Here's an example. using your logic.
"So, if a man decides to not hire a black nanny, he should be able to do so right and racism is good?

Ignoring the fact that no actual solutions were proposed by you, ever heard of civil war? Before you make the mistake of shooting yourself in the foot, let me remind you that your solutions will need to avoid the following
"Just because the larger group wants something, doesn’t mean the smaller group should be subjected to it. "

Good luck on that
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Maybe the democracy in Athens ages ago.

Current day democracy no, it can get annoying at times, but is there any other government that is better?
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