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i hate liberal democracy were killers have human rights and people can screw the system . American or British democracy mixed with chinese capital punishment you then have the perfect system.
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treasonirish wrote:

i hate liberal democracy were killers have human rights and people can screw the system . American or British democracy mixed with chinese capital punishment you then have the perfect system.


democracy that protects people from revenge is a good thing as far as im concerned
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Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

A lot of people staunchly defend even the most extreme form of democracy. Personally, I don’t know that I like true democracy. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. Just because the larger group wants something, doesn’t mean the smaller group should be subjected to it.

What are your opinions?


I realize you ar refering to a true democracy, but to my knowledge such has never truly existed. Enven those that have supposed to have been are not because, women, or other groups were not allowed to participate, Thus the democracy only allowed male land owners to participate. So not being all inclusive gives a false sense of a true democracy, because the technical majority is excluded, gender, race, or status.

The modern modified democracies have given better representation, but as far as tyranny goes here is a present day example of the minority acting as tyrants and half succeeding against the majority.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090306/Congress.Spending/

We have two bodies that make up our congress the House and the Senate, So basically the Senate Republicans (minority) decided that funding for a spending bill was wasteful without which the U. S. government would be forced to fire all it's employees and turn out the lights. So the House was forced to take action to keep things running. The result extra money is wasted for no logical reason, so these guys can claim their trying to reduce wasteful spending while wasting money to make the claim.
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Nayru wrote:

There is a lot of whining going on about our government nowadays, but when you look at it from a historical standpoint, we got a pretty damn good one right now.


This post is a bit on a tangent, but it's related more to other comments that have applied current events to this thread.

Perhaps but the Bush White House WAS an Imperial Presidency (read dictatorship) which Nixon tried to create.

Consider the article I posted above where senate Republicans tried to hijack the government and shut it down to make their point. If they succeeded and the shut down was not temporary the dollar would cease to exist and would literally bankrupt the entire planet and every job in America would effectively cease to exist. I realize that the scenario is hypothetical, but the threat was made in the most literal sense to throw a tantrum, because they no longer hold the power. If the situation weren't so dire, I might concede that they only were trying to make a point, but because of the hole we're in they are smart enouph to realize thise, so I can only view them as cy-babies tryng to break their toy, so no one else can play with it.I call that a tantrum.

If we got it so great why is unemployment reported to be 8%, but if you count people who are no longer able to be counted in the statistic the numbers would probably be closer to 16% to 20%. My financial advisor even told me that 2008 was worse than any time during the Great Depression. The only reason it isn't is because of unemplyment insurance, and social security Republicans main targets for wasteful spending. It isn't quite as bad as all that, but we are closer to the breaking point than we have ever been.
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Nayru wrote:

There is a lot of whining going on about our government nowadays, but when you look at it from a historical standpoint, we got a pretty damn good one right now.


4.4 million jobs lost and growing. We've never had it so good. It may sound as though folks are whining, but at least 4.4 million are either angry or scared, and understandably so. It may grate on the ears, but when reality sets in how can they not speak out against the tyranny that brought them to their knees.
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blancer wrote:

Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.


A real democracy would have no middle-men; everyone would be a member of the government.
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blancer wrote:

Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.


A real democracy would have no middle-men; everyone would be a member of the government.


and that is switzerland. everybody votes on everything. I know it sounds unreal, but it is true: if you dont show up on the votings (witch are held in open spaces, and voting is done by raising hands) you actually go to jail for 3 days. freaky, huh? government is just a tool (one that is really needed) which then implements the results of voting to real life.
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blancer wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:

Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.


A real democracy would have no middle-men; everyone would be a member of the government.


and that is switzerland. everybody votes on everything. I know it sounds unreal, but it is true: if you dont show up on the votings (witch are held in open spaces, and voting is done by raising hands) you actually go to jail for 3 days. freaky, huh? government is just a tool (one that is really needed) which then implements the results of voting to real life.


I meant there would be no government at all.
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leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:

Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.


A real democracy would have no middle-men; everyone would be a member of the government.


and that is switzerland. everybody votes on everything. I know it sounds unreal, but it is true: if you dont show up on the votings (witch are held in open spaces, and voting is done by raising hands) you actually go to jail for 3 days. freaky, huh? government is just a tool (one that is really needed) which then implements the results of voting to real life.


I meant there would be no government at all.


ah, sorry. now I get it.
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blancer wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:

Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.


A real democracy would have no middle-men; everyone would be a member of the government.


and that is switzerland. everybody votes on everything. I know it sounds unreal, but it is true: if you dont show up on the votings (witch are held in open spaces, and voting is done by raising hands) you actually go to jail for 3 days. freaky, huh? government is just a tool (one that is really needed) which then implements the results of voting to real life.


I meant there would be no government at all.


ah, sorry. now I get it.


We're just not advanced enough in some areas (technology, etc.) to carry it through.
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Posted 3/8/09
Another biased thread. Is there any legit threads anytime soon.
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Posted 3/8/09

leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


blancer wrote:

Switzerland is only country in the world that has true democracy.
Even the greeks didnt have that - slaves (read literally: animals), women and young males and non - citizens couldnt vote.
Other forms of democracy are based on choice, with the real problem and challenge to democracy today: what if there is no real difference between choices, and the other one: even if people who we vote for can and want to do some changes, power structure in country or/and state machine underneath (clerks; great problem in countries with huge local authorities) them stop the wated change/policy with their usual slugishness and indifferrence.


A real democracy would have no middle-men; everyone would be a member of the government.


and that is switzerland. everybody votes on everything. I know it sounds unreal, but it is true: if you dont show up on the votings (witch are held in open spaces, and voting is done by raising hands) you actually go to jail for 3 days. freaky, huh? government is just a tool (one that is really needed) which then implements the results of voting to real life.


I meant there would be no government at all.


ah, sorry. now I get it.


We're just not advanced enough to some areas (technology, etc.) to carry it through.


true. with the world like it is today, it sounds like fiction, not possible reality.
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What about an online democracy? Where polls are posted on the government's website and heavily monitored XD (I know this is very unrealistic and subject to many problems, but still an idea)
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Posted 3/8/09

mathew312 wrote:


Nayru wrote:

There is a lot of whining going on about our government nowadays, but when you look at it from a historical standpoint, we got a pretty damn good one right now.


This post is a bit on a tangent, but it's related more to other comments that have applied current events to this thread.

Perhaps but the Bush White House WAS an Imperial Presidency (read dictatorship) which Nixon tried to create.

Consider the article I posted above where senate Republicans tried to hijack the government and shut it down to make their point. If they succeeded and the shut down was not temporary the dollar would cease to exist and would literally bankrupt the entire planet and every job in America would effectively cease to exist. I realize that the scenario is hypothetical, but the threat was made in the most literal sense to throw a tantrum, because they no longer hold the power. If the situation weren't so dire, I might concede that they only were trying to make a point, but because of the hole we're in they are smart enouph to realize thise, so I can only view them as cy-babies tryng to break their toy, so no one else can play with it.I call that a tantrum.

If we got it so great why is unemployment reported to be 8%, but if you count people who are no longer able to be counted in the statistic the numbers would probably be closer to 16% to 20%. My financial advisor even told me that 2008 was worse than any time during the Great Depression. The only reason it isn't is because of unemplyment insurance, and social security Republicans main targets for wasteful spending. It isn't quite as bad as all that, but we are closer to the breaking point than we have ever been.


Being poor (or unemployed) in America is very, very different than being poor or unemployed in China, Indonesia, Chad, or Russia.

I stand by my statement.
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