Matthew Murray Colorado Church Shooting
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Posted 12/13/07 , edited 12/13/07
Seemed like he lived a pretty sad life...

Don't think this has been reported on CR, but this topic might be a little too serious as it deals with the shooters thoughts on religion with his posts.

Overview of the shooting:
http://bittenandbound.com/2007/12/10/matthew-murray-shooter-in-colorado-killings/

Matthew Murray's Life According to him:


... my mother was into all the charismatic/”fanatical evangelical” insanity. Her and her church believed that Satan and demons were everywhere in everything. The rules were VERY strict all the time. We couldn’t have ANY christian or non-christian music at all except for a few charismatic worship CDs. There was physical abuse in my home. My mother although used psychotropic drugs because she somehow thought it would make it easier to control me(I’ve never been diagnosed with any mental illness either). Pastors would always come and interrogate me over video games or TV watching or other things. There were NO FRIENDS outside the church and family and even then only family members who were in the church. You could not trust anyone at all because anyone might be a spy.



Full List of his Posts Here: http://allspinzone.com/wp/2007/12/12/matthew-murray-had-confrontation-at-new-life-church-in-2004/


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What was the issues with Matthew killing that girl and guy. One was 26 and other was 24 right.
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The point was that the circumstances to lead up to the killings are tragic. His parents were extremely strict on what he was allowed as they believed movies, video games, tv, music, and basically anything non Christian to be evil. I think one part of it even said he wasn't allowed any friends outside of their religion because they might be "spies."
One part of a post he made:


At age 17, I decided to “go all out for Jesus” and do my best to practice christianity and live it out. I went to the bible to read for myself how one gets “saved.” I found several different versions of getting saved from the gospels. In John it was mainly “have faith” but in Mt, Mk, and Lk, it was as found in Mt 25, that you would have eternal life by doing good works(which of course is considered heresy). So I went to the books from the man that “had all the answers,” Bill gothard’s Basic and Advanced seminar textbooks.

What I found were all these other rules Irealized I could never live up to, yet, the man seemed to have a biblical basis for everything. In Februrary 2001 at age 17 I plunged into a dark suicidal depression all because I thought I had lost my “salvation” and somehow couldn’t live up to the rules. Every single hour of every single day, up until October 2001 I thought about ways of suicide and hating myself for not being worthy enough and failing God. I felt like there was no reason to live because I had lost my salvation and could never live up to the rules. In May of 2001, I told my parents I was depressed and they put me on 2 anti-depressants(in addition to the other crap pills they had me on to try to brainwash me).
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I feel sorry for Matthew Murray, his mother is horrible But then...killing them...I wouldn't say that was right either though.
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Yeah he did hate Christians because of the horrible way he appeared to be raised.


I want to know, where was all the love, compassion and mercy for all of my supposed imperfections growing up in church? Where was all the love and forgiveness from YWAM (where several of the missionaries were involved in homosexuality) for me being “not talkative enough”? Where is the restoration, love, mercy, and compassion for the hell and christian nightmare I had to go through?




“This doesn’t mean that God doesn’t exist.”

Didn’t say that it did. I fully believe in God, NOT this manmade christianity, the false doctrines of christianity or other manmade religions. I believe in Light, Life, Love, and Liberty.


I think anyone would doubt their religion after what he went through.
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monkey-of-evil720 wrote:

wasnt that the guy who though christans should die??

on the news says he was "anti-christan"?


He most likely became that way after a while
I became anti-christian at around 10, my parents forced it down my throat like his
until I just couldn't stand it anymore

EDIT-there was a point that I had been to so many week long revivals and saturday services
that I would dream of slaughtering the people with a machete
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The interesting point about his beliefs were that he truly believed in the Christian faith at first. Only because of abuse from other Christians (and partly due to religions inconsistency) did he become "Anti-Christian."

Read some more he made a lot of posts about various subjects and while I don't have to worry about such abuse I think it's interesting what he went through. It shows the dark side of religion if you will where people become a little too dependent on it.

(Chrstnghtmr being Murray's SN of course)


Editor’s Note: The subject of this forum was “”God’s Will” equals “Parent’s Will”

On 02/12/07 - Chrstnghtmr wrote:

I understand what you’re saying restored. My parents and their church were very abusive and they always used sayings like “touch not the Lord’s annointed” and “what does it say here?”(pointing to the ten commandments and Eph 6:1-3) “it says to honor AND OBEY! it didn’t say whether you think they’re abusive or not, it says to OBEY…..”
Posted 12/13/07
Atheists pwn the world
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He wasn't an Atheist, he just wasn't Christian anymore as he still believed in God.
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NOBODY should have religion forced down their throats. To me, indoctrinating children into religion is one of the most disgusting and vile acts a parent can commit towards their children. I view that on par with child molestation. Rape the body, rape their mind - in the end, it's still rape by my standards.

I grew up in a similar - though not quite as extreme - situation. I can certainly sympathize with the guy going bonkers. When your trapped in that bizarre world, reality is pushed far to the way side and the irrational and rational blur to where you no longer know what's going on. And I mean the psycho charismatic fundie world - this ain't your starbucks sipping mainstream megachurch we're talking about. I can really see someone going that nuts. Thankfully, I just rebelled in my own way (I was the only outspoken atheist in my youth group). Fun times, and oddly, I knew more about their religion than the rest of the little hypocrites did.

This also brings to mind a story I read on CNN where a muslim father strangled his daughter to death for refusing to wear her head scarf (hajib I beleive it is called) to school.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - religion is the cancer eating away at the world. The sooner we leave it in our past, the sooner we will progress as a society.
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i dont know him.
Posted 12/14/07

azrael910 wrote:

NOBODY should have religion forced down their throats. To me, indoctrinating children into religion is one of the most disgusting and vile acts a parent can commit towards their children. I view that on par with child molestation. Rape the body, rape their mind - in the end, it's still rape by my standards.

I grew up in a similar - though not quite as extreme - situation. I can certainly sympathize with the guy going bonkers. When your trapped in that bizarre world, reality is pushed far to the way side and the irrational and rational blur to where you no longer know what's going on. And I mean the psycho charismatic fundie world - this ain't your starbucks sipping mainstream megachurch we're talking about. I can really see someone going that nuts. Thankfully, I just rebelled in my own way (I was the only outspoken atheist in my youth group). Fun times, and oddly, I knew more about their religion than the rest of the little hypocrites did.

This also brings to mind a story I read on CNN where a muslim father strangled his daughter to death for refusing to wear her head scarf (hajib I beleive it is called) to school.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - religion is the cancer eating away at the world. The sooner we leave it in our past, the sooner we will progress as a society.


you've posted all of my thoughts for me. religion isn't making the world any better. what we need are universal morals. too bad it'll never happen
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azrael910 wrote:
NOBODY should have religion forced down their throats. To me, indoctrinating children into religion is one of the most disgusting and vile acts a parent can commit towards their children. I view that on par with child molestation. Rape the body, rape their mind - in the end, it's still rape by my standards.


That's a little extreme, to me it seems like just by raising a child your indoctrinating them into your own religious or non religious beliefs. While I don't think religion is always right it's not bad all the time. This is more of an extreme case than anything. As long as the parents don't prevent the kid from changing or questioning the beliefs taught to them it seems ok. I mean it seems impossible to raise a child without leaving traces of your own religious or atheist beliefs. If the kid is happy and never questions their religion it's fine too. Well unless it messes them up of course, but again that would be an extreme case.
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