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Death Penalty Debate
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27 / F / PaRaÑaQue (PHILIP...
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Posted 6/5/07
... this is a very tense topic ... well ill give you my two sides of story ..

For the most cruel and heinous crimes, the ones for which the death penalty is applied, offenders deserve the worst punishment under our system of law, and that is the death penalty.

Death Penalty may prevent future murders:

Society has always used punishment to discourage would-be criminals from unlawful action. Since society has the highest interest in preventing murder, it should use the strongest punishment available to deter murder, and that is the death penalty. If murderers are sentenced to death and executed, potential murderers will think twice before killing for fear of losing their own life.

The risk of executing the innocent precludes the use of the death penalty:

The death penalty alone imposes an irrevocable sentence. Once an inmate is executed, nothing can be done to make amends if a mistake has been made. There is considerable evidence that many mistakes have been made in sentencing people to death.

The matter of moral issues and obligations being us citizens that determine the future of society we cannot invoke sudden judgement. We all know that people tend to be irrational when it comes to death and life matters, who is right or wrong, some say that we dont have the right to take other people's lives because we can be murderers in this way ... but i do believe that some killers have to die ... in their own way ... where nobody can be guilty about it ...
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Shinigami_Sora: You really don't get it do you? Here let me explain it...A square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square, just as murder is always killing, but killing is not necessarily murder. The Death Penalty is killing, not murder, so...Add this to my logical reasoning of "Thou shalt not kill" vs "Thou shalt not commit murder" (a few posts back) and you will see [hopefully] that you are mistaken...No flaws in my logic; might you be imagining them?

And sure you can...It takes one to know one doesn't it?

To all: Why are there so many people who enjoy making broad and usually false generalizations on this thread? Frankly it is rather annoying....
Posted 6/5/07
I`m still against it.
Do you people honestly think that violence is the solution to violent problems? Won`t it just make the problem biger?
Murder for murder isn`t a way to solve things. It`s wrong and the government sometimes make fallacious judgments.

Okay, so I`ll be fair.
Why I`m against it:
It`s cruel.
It`s not the answer
It will not give the victim`s life back.
There`s still a chance the convict might be innocent (let`s not all close the possibilities)


Why I`m for it:
It`s just fair; victim`s family would be satisfied.
It`s safer for the community.
Life for life.
I`m bored.

But really, I`m against it.
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sheighton: Cristianity is not as intertwined as you seem to believe it is. First off most of the Founding Fathers were not Christian. Also in the Constitution there is absolutely no mention of Christian beliefs, almost as if they were trying to say something...oh, wait they were. That America was NOT a nation based of the beliefs of religion, but completely separate from the chruch. Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of Independence, in case you didn't know, wasn't Christian, John Adams wasn't Christian, George Washington wasn't Christian. I believe that there has only been one Christian President, JFK, but I'm not sure so don't quote me on that. So the U.S. is, in fact, not a Christian nation.

There is the flaw in your logic and the fact that murder is a mortal sin has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it is a capitial crime.

And your really are going out of your way to support my observation that your childish, you know. Thank you so much!
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I am all for it. But people need to make sure they get the right guys tho.
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Posted 6/6/07

Shinigami_Sora wrote:

sheighton: Cristianity is not as intertwined as you seem to believe it is. First off most of the Founding Fathers were not Christian. Also in the Constitution there is absolutely no mention of Christian beliefs, almost as if they were trying to say something...oh, wait they were. That America was NOT a nation based of the beliefs of religion, but completely separate from the chruch. Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of Independence, in case you didn't know, wasn't Christian, John Adams wasn't Christian, George Washington wasn't Christian. I believe that there has only been one Christian President, JFK, but I'm not sure so don't quote me on that. So the U.S. is, in fact, not a Christian nation.

There is the flaw in your logic and the fact that murder is a mortal sin has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it is a capitial crime.

And your really are going out of your way to support my observation that your childish, you know. Thank you so much!


The founding fathers might not have been Christian, but the majority of people in the colonies and early United States were Anglican/Episcopalian. I hope that you did not forget that we happen to be a Democratic Republic...A government by the people, for the people...Only one who is uninformed or one who desires to remain ignorant would say that our laws are not heavily influenced by Christian/monotheistic beliefs. If you doubt me, go take a look at the Ten Commandments, most of which is written into law in some form or another.

JFK was the only CATHOLIC president. Almost every single president we have had has been a Protestant CHRISTIAN. ---> I will even provide a link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidential_religious_affiliations

If you want to believe that there is, or has been at any time, a complete separation of church and state within this country, than be my guest, but a will to ignorance is not usually a wise path to tread. It might help you if you were to deviate from that path, as your arguments are so weak and poorly thought out that it is like trying to sail in a strong wind using a raft, stick, and a rag...Sorry, but this post of yours in particular had so many holes in it frankly I felt pity for you.
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Posted 6/6/07
Only God can judge...
as gandi once said, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind."
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Posted 6/6/07
death penalty should be for those who kills more than once & of course with 100% evidence otherwise no.
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23 / F / A hick town.....
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Posted 6/12/07
I think any one who is willing to really mess up a persons life should get killed (Multi killers, pedi's and rapists), cuz one person dying, or 13214321....whats better? Exactly one gulity person instead of 12334324 people who arnt (And i think dying is better then being raped). So i think you shoud. And yes if the person isnt guilty, well it will all work out for him later after death (Yeah im LDS what of it lol) so ttyl <33
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29 / M / new york
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Posted 6/12/07
the death penalty is silly. if fully convicted, the should be shot on spot. saves money. and if there are multiple people that need kill'n...well, line them up and try to use one shot to get them all. saves money there too.
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35 / F / Monterey, CA
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Posted 6/24/07
I"m pro death penalty.. If there are harsher punishments for criminals, people might think twice about commiting crimes... I mean in some countries the punishment for stealing is cutting your hand off.... uhm.. that'd be enough of a deterrent for me not to steal!
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25 / M / United States
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Posted 6/24/07

SeraphAlford wrote:

On a personal level, I'm against it. (I'm a Christian) However, it's a waste of money to keep feeding these guys in prison and junk. We have to clothe them, take care of them, feed them, ext. It's cheaper to kill them. So that's what we do... I hate it, but I think it's a bit of a necesity.


i agree it is a waste, we take care of them how is it a bad punishment. Of course i do realise that there will be some false imprisonments but by saying that if this many people saw or know u did it or watever any concrete proof u go staright to the chair. U have rapists, and killers sitting on death row for years when they should have been disposed of as they are not needed in any kind of civilized society.

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I"m pro death penalty.. If there are harsher punishments for criminals, people might think twice about commiting crimes... I mean in some countries the punishment for stealing is cutting your hand off.... uhm.. that'd be enough of a deterrent for me not to steal!

exactly, they are basically telling people who have nothing left to lose or are just down on their luk, do this and ull get food, clothes, and shelter. And as for religion i dont no about ofther countries but the US is supposed to have seperate state and religion, therefore someones religion should have NO bearing on the ruling
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35 / F / Monterey, CA
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Posted 6/24/07
^agreed on the religion standpoint. I say no mercy for criminals... Kill all violent criminals... anyone who's commited a violent crime, should die. period. there's no such thing as rehabilitaion for a violent criminal. a lot of them are repeat offenders

That's why I like the idea of Kira.

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Posted 6/24/07
If you commit a crime like.... rape or murder u dont deserve to walk around like a free man in the society!! In sweden we dont have death penalty, which I often wish we had!! I also sometimes wish I had a Death Note!!
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31 / M / in master shakes...
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Posted 6/24/07
Im pro death penalty
but we are all human mistakes WILL be made.
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