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alupihan45 wrote:

I am not referring to all here.

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Some people, namely atheist and some others, denies the existence of God and/or the existence of soul because it cannot be sensed with our five sense organs.

But why some of this people believes that it is plausible that there could be another life forms, specifically speaking, aliens (think of star wars. Aliens who looks like human or ogreish) in other planets or universe?

Even if they haven't gone through MRI, CT Scan or any imaging machine, they believe they have a brain even though they haven't sensed it. They just took the sign that they are alive and can think. Where in religion, we took the sign that their is god with "uncause cause, governing unintelligent things (sun, moon, clouds, wind)".

Just curious why it happens


What is wrong with not believing in something that has no evidence?

I know I have a brain because I am thinking, moving, and alive. All of which requires a brain.
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alupihan45 wrote:

But why some of this people believes that it is plausible that there could be another life forms, specifically speaking, aliens (think of star wars. Aliens who looks like human or ogreish) in other planets or universe?


People believe that other life forms could exist somewhere in the universe because it is so vast, there are countless stars and planets out there, and the chance of there only being one planet that is the exact distance away from a star to support life is pretty slim.


Even if they haven't gone through MRI, CT Scan or any imaging machine, they believe they have a brain even though they haven't sensed it. They just took the sign that they are alive and can think.


We also "took the sign" that we are human beings, and that we have seen many humans with brains inside their heads, but have never seen a human that is/was alive and didn't have a brain. So the reasonable conclusion is that since we are human and we are alive, we must have a brain.


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There is only 3 types of things on earth, everything on earth falls under these 3 catagories, Mineral, Vegetation(plants), and Animal Life

You forgot fungi (which are biologically more similar to animals than plants), single-celled eukaryotes and prokaryotes, as far as living things go. For abiotic things, there's also non-mineral substances like water, gasses, heat and other types of energy, etc.
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amersfoort wrote:

this is because aliens arent 1 supernatural 2 the universe is very very big, it be strange if we were the only ones out there 3 we now think we know the way life started so we figured its also possible on other planets. (btw ihave no idea how an alien would look like)
the reason why we dont believe in god is:
1 i havent seen him around lately, this also counts for aliens but its easier to believe in normal life forms then super natural life forms.
2 we have discoverd that there was a big bang (idk exactely how it works) but it isnt something supernatural.
3 why a soul? isnt a brain sufficient enough? we all know we have a brain, some of us saw it trough an CT scan or MRI (like i have)
and some of us havent seen it, but im sure that NONE of u actually saw a soul (atleast when they werent stoned).

why cant u people think like us, ok we have a brain, works fine, instead of well i have a brain, but u know, it isnt enough for me il add a soul 2, why? cuz i believe that will bring me to the afterlife.

if we had litle proof of those so called souls and gods then i would believe but since there isnt, i dont believe.


1) Define supernatural. When you use it it sounds like you're saying supernatural is like something out of a Tolkien book. But my concept of supernatural is more like a science fiction thing. We call things supernatural when we can't explain them with our science today. But that doesn't make them completely impossible. Things like depression and chicken pox were "supernatural" to people hundreds of year ago, but now we have learned more and see them as natural occurrences. The word supernatural even has natural in it. Maybe someday we'll scientifically prove the existence of God, or a godlike being. But right now we can at least agree that we don't know everything about the universe and science. In fact, we don't know anything for certain (but that's for another thread :D) Seriously, google the big bang. It's technically the big bang theory. Scientists worldwide agree. And then if your start calling me a fundamentalist and stuff, look up the difference between the scientific and unscientific uses of the word theory. In both cases, the word is used because we have accept the possibility that we are wrong.

2) Yes, we have MRIs and CT scans. We've opened skulls and poked through brains. But no one has ever seen a thought. Therefore they must not exist. (haha)


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why a soul? u are trying to dissproove my arguments but still u give non, if u believe so much in that soul then show it to me.
why is spirituality so important to humans? i think its being scared of death, with a soul u can go evrywhere after ur body dies, without one, well... ur pretty screwed
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amersfoort wrote:

why a soul? u are trying to dissproove my arguments but still u give non, if u believe so much in that soul then show it to me.
why is spirituality so important to humans? i think its being scared of death, with a soul u can go evrywhere after ur body dies, without one, well... ur pretty screwed


not to make arguments with you but please do read this and be clarified in using words like soul and spirit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul
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Allhailodin wrote:

The point is in the beginning the purpose of the soul was to make humans feel superior to the animals around them. That idea changed with time tho. So ultimately the soul was to make people feel above the animals they didn't want to be.


Actually, that's completely wrong. The earliest forms of worship assumed that animals had souls or that they were part of some greater metaphysical being, such as the Great Spirit. The distinction came about in Descartes' philosophy.

Let's get something straight. Supernatural does not denote anything we do not understand through science. By its very meaning it's means something that's beyond the natural order. Even though the Black Death was considered supernatural at it's time, objectively it was just a pervasive disease.

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Allhailodin wrote:


XxRabidFangirlxX wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:
The only difference is our intelligence, its more evolved that other animals, although on a level of intelligence monkeys are directly under us. Racoons are also extremely intelligent apparently. so racoons are somewhere under monkeys. So in reality were not much different from animals, also given the face that humans are animals, there should be no real difference besides intelligence and the the evolutionary status of our brains.


But monkeys are still very different from us. I mean, why aren't there other animals that can build skyscrapers or create computers?



Duno, probally because we ate alot of bone marrow while we were evolving, bone marrow is apparently a huge brain booster, so as a result out intelligence shot up. If I had to guess, thats what I'd say


That's pretty cool.
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Allhailodin wrote:

The point is in the beginning the purpose of the soul was to make humans feel superior to the animals around them. That idea changed with time tho. So ultimately the soul was to make people feel above the animals they didn't want to be.


Actually, that's completely wrong. The earliest forms of worship assumed that animals had souls or that they were part of some greater metaphysical being, such as the Great Spirit. The distinction came about in Descartes' philosophy.

Let's get something straight. Supernatural does not denote anything we do not understand through science. By its very meaning it's means something that's beyond the natural order. Even though the Black Death was considered supernatural at it's time, objectively it was just a pervasive disease.



Actually the earliest forms of worship was aimed at the sun and moon. And I don't think that, that early on they believed in the concept of a soul.

And yea supernatural, would mean exactly as it's name implies, supernatural, unexplainable and unbound by the laws of physics for the most part.
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so soul is a consious.
then why the hell do we have a brain? we already have a soul so we dont need our brain right?
evry1 who believes in a soul bash ur skull, u dont need it anyway
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I think it's silly to be certain about things like intelligent alien life without proof as well, but one thing I feel is better about belief in those than belief in gods that cannot be experienced is the possibility of one day proving their existence. It may be faith in some sense to believe in Antarctica without ever having visited it, but I'm confident that I could at least attempt to find it. God, on the other hand, eludes reason and perception, and I have no reason to think that will ever change.
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Actually the earliest forms of worship was aimed at the sun and moon. And I don't think that, that early on they believed in the concept of a soul.

And yea supernatural, would mean exactly as it's name implies, supernatural, unexplainable and unbound by the laws of physics for the most part.


Animism (taken to be only a general belief in souls) is thought by some to be the original religious belief system from which all other religions are derived, including those that worshiped celestial entities. It is also possible that the two coincided and merged. Whether either of these is true is obviously disputed, but it does make sense that a concept of soul would emerge early in human civilization to assuage fears of death.
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Allhailodin wrote:


XxRabidFangirlxX wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:
The only difference is our intelligence, its more evolved that other animals, although on a level of intelligence monkeys are directly under us. Racoons are also extremely intelligent apparently. so racoons are somewhere under monkeys. So in reality were not much different from animals, also given the face that humans are animals, there should be no real difference besides intelligence and the the evolutionary status of our brains.


But monkeys are still very different from us. I mean, why aren't there other animals that can build skyscrapers or create computers?



Duno, probally because we ate alot of bone marrow while we were evolving, bone marrow is apparently a huge brain booster, so as a result out intelligence shot up. If I had to guess, thats what I'd say


Wrong!

Chimps are different to monkeys and their subspecies the Bonobo is our closest relative in terms of Intelligence

We became smarter because the muscles around our jaw slackened and lost mass.
The jaw muscles go right around to the top of our skulls which is why strong jawed Primeapes have peaked skulls.
Because of the muscle slackening the pressure on our skulls decreased allowing our brain-case to expand allowing a larger more complicated brain
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in science it is proven that energy can not be created no destroyed just modified.

So it stands to reason that the eletrical impulses that are created through chemical recations / interactions in your brain once a person dies are not destroyed just dispursed back into the enviroment. Now weather they are just simply eletrical impulses or an actual counchousness <----- SP? is still un known.

even if we cannot prove an after life. With all the stuff we do not yet know / the vastness of the cosmos and even the stuff we have yet to be even able to comprehend it really dosent take much a strech to belive that there could be an after life.

Ignore all the spelling mistakes. spelling was never really my best class. : )

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Allhailodin wrote:



Actually the earliest forms of worship was aimed at the sun and moon. And I don't think that, that early on they believed in the concept of a soul.

And yea supernatural, would mean exactly as it's name implies, supernatural, unexplainable and unbound by the laws of physics for the most part.


Animism (taken to be only a general belief in souls) is thought by some to be the original religious belief system from which all other religions are derived, including those that worshiped celestial entities. It is also possible that the two coincided and merged. Whether either of these is true is obviously disputed, but it does make sense that a concept of soul would emerge early in human civilization to assuage fears of death.


Well since homo's (homo = human) are about 2.4 million years old, but modern homo's are only 250,000 years old, lets just assume that that's when homo's started to worship celestial bodies like the sun and the moon. But it was probally earlier than that. So let's just assume that we started worshiping stuff like the sun and the moon, 250,000 years ago, I don't think we were evolved or intelligent enough to understand the concept much less invent the concept of a soul. So i do believe that worship of celestial bodies existed long before the concept of the soul did.
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Fightingmonkey wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


XxRabidFangirlxX wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:
The only difference is our intelligence, its more evolved that other animals, although on a level of intelligence monkeys are directly under us. Racoons are also extremely intelligent apparently. so racoons are somewhere under monkeys. So in reality were not much different from animals, also given the face that humans are animals, there should be no real difference besides intelligence and the the evolutionary status of our brains.


But monkeys are still very different from us. I mean, why aren't there other animals that can build skyscrapers or create computers?



Duno, probally because we ate alot of bone marrow while we were evolving, bone marrow is apparently a huge brain booster, so as a result out intelligence shot up. If I had to guess, thats what I'd say


Wrong!

Chimps are different to monkeys and their subspecies the Bonobo is our closest relative in terms of Intelligence

We became smarter because the muscles around our jaw slackened and lost mass.
The jaw muscles go right around to the top of our skulls which is why strong jawed Primeapes have peaked skulls.
Because of the muscle slackening the pressure on our skulls decreased allowing our brain-case to expand allowing a larger more complicated brain


We became smarter during the cranial expansion that was occuring during the transistion from homo habilis onward, some of that cranial expansion occured during the second interglacial period in the middle pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, which was the transition from Homo erectus to Homo sapiens, and yes bone marrow is a know brain booster, so it may and probally did add to the effect.

And that sudden increase in cranial expansion may be a result of a lack in mussel mass around the jaw, but the cranial capacity was increasing the entire time since we became homo habilis.
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