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An In-Depth Explanation & Solution On Regional Limitation
Posted 1/6/09 , edited 1/7/09
Up to now, I've seen too many CR users complained about the regional limitation on licensed anime series. And while they just complaining without even trying to figure out the facts about this situation, CR has yet to come up with a satisfactory explanation. So I'm taking it upon myself to inform the CR users regarding the issue here, just like I've been doing so since my first thread about the internet fansub groups' illegal actions: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-371988/The-Anime-Fansub-Groups-Stealing-From-Anime-Studio-One-Episode-At-A-Time.html?src=topbar

Although CR is a worldwide OSP, the regional licensing issues with individual anime titles is up to the CR licensing partners and the content itself. For example, Gonzo's Last Exile anime TV series finished it's airing on Japanese TV network on September 29, 2003, and while the copyright did belong to Gonzo, but the licensing agreement for releasing and distributing the anime media outside of Japan in English sub and dub, existed between Gonzo's parent company Gonzo Digital Holdings(GDH) and the now out-of-business Geneon Entertainment of America since March 8, 2004. And since GDH still exist to this day, with the licensing of Last Exile picked up by FUNimation, they still need to uphold the licensing agreement on Last Exile regarding its region 1 limited availability. However, licensing agreement doesn't last as long as copyright, so as soon as the licensing on Last Exile expires, Gonzo can renegotiate with CR to change the regional limitation under a new licensing agreement.

Understand that the regional DVD marketing, and the different time lap on DVD release with licensed anime medias, are marketing tactics imposed by the Japanese media publishers. They had to do this in order to protect their Japanese domestic anime DVD market from import anime DVD, especially from the US anime DVD. Because while the US anime DVD costs less than the Japanese anime DVD, it also contains twice as many episodes per disk on average. The Japanese anime DVD market is a small and saturated niche market group, however it still managed to draw more profit for the Japanese anime publishers, than the anime exporting business till this day. This reality will not change, as long as anime still remain as a subculture, not a mainstream entertainment.

Throughout history, the only method to break this Japanese close-market predicament, was the gunboat diplomacy(aka Black Ships: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ships) imposed by the US Navy on July 14, 1853 at Uraga Harbor. Now that we're in the 21st. century, we don't need to rely on such primitive method, no. An intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, will eradicate this problem along with a good chunk of the Japanese soil.[/heavy sarcasm]

Crazy talk aside, an alternative method is to generate an even greater demand for licensed anime medias from outside the Japanese anime media market region. This will make the Japanese anime production companies to fold on their Japanese media publishers, and instead working with the international anime licensing companies for a greater global profit. Over a long run this will produce a perfect competition(http://tutor2u.net/economics/content/topics/competition/competition.htm) on anime, that means anyone can trade with everyone at anytime, with an universal exchange rate on goods and services. However, this will require anime subculture to become a professional mainstream art entertainment business, not some amateur wannabe part-time hobby, like stealing anime from anime industry for greedy instant self-gratification.

The CR user cskid20 made this statement about one of my post:

cskid20 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:
I'm a collector, so I collect anime DVD that I deem are worthy. I've been around the anime subculture long enough to tell if the anime series is worth collecting, just by the names of the anime creators and the licensing company. I even personally recommend other anime fans what anime DVD to collect at my local anime media store on my free time, even though I don't work there.


Well, I am not a collector and I rarely rewatch any shows at all. Buying dvds should not be the only legal method for people to watch anime. Shows like CSI or Lost are internationalized very well, as they are often shown in different parts of the world on TV without much delay. I don't expect anime to operate on that scale, but at least it should be more accessible. It doesn't make sense that one group of the anime audience has to be a few steps behind everyone else. The anime industry really needs to run things differently if it want to cash in on the international audience.

and this was my reply to his statement:

And that would take time, with positive feedback and support from the fans pushing for worldwide legitimacy. However, those who still stubbornly holding back onto illegitimate fansubs, are only getting in the way of progress.


And yet, the solution had been sitting right in front of us all along.

I mean just look at where we are right here, CR is a worldwide OSP, with its head office located in America(region 1), and its website is hosted on an American server(region 1). That's why even its online services are available & accessible worldwide, when it comes to licensed anime series, it has to obey the licensing agreement regarding regional limitation on region 1 release and distribution.

Therefore, why not establish an OSP, with its head office located outside of region 1, and with its website being hosted on a different server that's not region 1. So when it comes to licensed anime series, it can renegotiate a different licensing agreement, thereby introducing legit anime series in any region outside of region 1.

Let's look at the next possible/suitable region besides region 1, thereby avoiding a direct confrontation against CR's interest:

That's a worldwide DVD region coding chat. So by the looks of it, and by factor in the general complains regarding the region blocking on some CR users, I would say the next step is to establish a CR like OSP for region 2 through 4.
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Nice effort, though many of them won't bother reading it....
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I appreciate this DomFortress. Thank you for providing this. <although I doubt it will completely shush CR-users-whiners, I believe it will help minimize the average daily complaint rate.> Seriously, since you're members who had benefited from the site, either give support or give support, that's all there is.
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i didnt get a shit O__O
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Hmm, good job typing all this up. Although many of the CR users would probably be too lazy or won't bother to read through all of it as holy_may said.

Hopefully, some CR members might just barely skim this and somewhat get what you are talking about.
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For sticky! =D
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So far, only intelligent people responded in this thread lol...

Truth to be told, I believe we can sums up all this explanation in a few sentences...
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holy_may wrote:

So far, only intelligent people responded in this thread lol...

Truth to be told, I believe we can sums up all this explanation in a few sentences...


Well yeah that is true, but atleast i, when it comes to explanation i really fail at that, atleast that is what i think.
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darkoff wrote:


holy_may wrote:

So far, only intelligent people responded in this thread lol...

Truth to be told, I believe we can sums up all this explanation in a few sentences...


Well yeah that is true, but atleast i, when it comes to explanation i really fail at that, atleast that is what i think.


Best to keep things simple than complicated... I too ain't a big fan of long paragraph but again, some could even write of a book if they want lol
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holy_may wrote:


darkoff wrote:


holy_may wrote:

So far, only intelligent people responded in this thread lol...

Truth to be told, I believe we can sums up all this explanation in a few sentences...


Well yeah that is true, but atleast i, when it comes to explanation i really fail at that, atleast that is what i think.


Best to keep things simple than complicated... I too ain't a big fan of long paragraph but again, some could even write of a book if they want lol


Yeah you're right, what if we maybe ask DomFortress nicely to edit his post alittle bit to sum it for the kids here at CR?
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well i think that this wrong. that is the same stuff that the music labels claims a time ago (ironically still) when mp3 arrived.

watching anime doesnt make the industry go to a bankrutp, the fansubs really have maintained many fans that the Anime industry left for years,
come on! are you talking that Gonzo, funimation cares about ecuador, colombia chile,iran, african, southamerican, Far East countries, ? pfff dont make me laugh.

many people there watched anime from fansubs, and some people who really likes something, boughts dvds and merchandising but that wasnt necesary for make the anime industrie better.

nowadays,, when fansubs had make it all the fucking work, and stablish a largue comunntie in their respectives countries, the industry see that Potential money and want to it all. and claim ahh sorry you cant see watch anime in your country at least we sell you.
pff

industry have to thanks to years of effort of fans. afterall anime popularity in all world was made it by fans to fans and not for selling.

please, stop that bullshit of fansub thieves or anime watchers thieves.

the times have changed and DVD bussines is very different now, the cd industry is very different now.
there are many bussines models of TV now. sorry to disappoint the anime indsutry but in the next decade will be a boom of independent animation in the same matter of the myspace music generation. and i can be sure about that the industry will tells: ahh we are being pirated!we a re not selling subscriptions, we are not selling blue rays, we not selling dad ,da ,da da, ah ah! pff

byt the way im with shinji changes, but im with the fans too. mostly the ones who are in regions where TV don´t show anime.
Posted 1/6/09
thank you for explaining this, it really clears things out for some of us. like yall said, not many will read it.
Posted 1/6/09 , edited 1/6/09
You expect those idiots to read that?

They cant even follow the damn rulez.

EDIT- nice job though *applauds*
Posted 1/6/09

darkoff wrote:


holy_may wrote:


darkoff wrote:


holy_may wrote:

So far, only intelligent people responded in this thread lol...

Truth to be told, I believe we can sums up all this explanation in a few sentences...


Well yeah that is true, but atleast i, when it comes to explanation i really fail at that, atleast that is what i think.


Best to keep things simple than complicated... I too ain't a big fan of long paragraph but again, some could even write of a book if they want lol


Yeah you're right, what if we maybe ask DomFortress nicely to edit his post alittle bit to sum it for the kids here at CR? :P

Well the thing is, both shinji and to some extend, brennan had their own watered down explanation about this:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-415920/Anime-Membership-More-details-.html
Territory restrictions?
We try to get permission for worldwide broadcast (except for country of origin), but rights clearance is complicated! It will vary from country to country. We'll have a page with ALL the details soon! For example, Naruto Shippuden is worldwide except for Japan.



http://wiki.crunchyroll.com/Licensing#Is_there_any_way_for_.22unlicensing.22_to_occur.3F
Is there any way for "unlicensing" to occur?

Long story short: No. US companies have usually already paid good money to the Japanese production company to license the anime.

What you're essentially asking for is that the American company stop what they're doing, demand their license fee back from the Japanese, tell them that they won't be marketing and distributing their product in America any more, and that their mom is ugly. Okay, maybe not the last part, but you get the idea. This is considered Breach of Contract, and potentially can end up in a Court case in which the Court will basically side with the Japanese production company. Legally, unless there's a perfectly good legal reason to withdraw from a contract, the courts will usually look badly on a contract breaker.

So, no. The other alternative is to wait for the license to expire. But since it's uncertain how long companies license animes for, this is probably not a good idea. Worst case scenario is that you might have kids first.

This is in no way a definitive answer for the subject: a forum member pointed out to me that the fate of the recently deceased Geneon USA made it possible for all the animes under them to "not have a licensor anymore", in effect, "unlicensing" them. Some of their animes were licensed under different companies following this incident, but technically, for the record, unlicensing can happen due to a company collapsing.
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DomFortress wrote:

Well the thing is, both shinji and to some extend, brennan had their own watered down explanation about this:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-415920/Anime-Membership-More-details-.html
Territory restrictions?
We try to get permission for worldwide broadcast (except for country of origin), but rights clearance is complicated! It will vary from country to country. We'll have a page with ALL the details soon! For example, Naruto Shippuden is worldwide except for Japan.



http://wiki.crunchyroll.com/Licensing#Is_there_any_way_for_.22unlicensing.22_to_occur.3F
Is there any way for "unlicensing" to occur?

Long story short: No. US companies have usually already paid good money to the Japanese production company to license the anime.

What you're essentially asking for is that the American company stop what they're doing, demand their license fee back from the Japanese, tell them that they won't be marketing and distributing their product in America any more, and that their mom is ugly. Okay, maybe not the last part, but you get the idea. This is considered Breach of Contract, and potentially can end up in a Court case in which the Court will basically side with the Japanese production company. Legally, unless there's a perfectly good legal reason to withdraw from a contract, the courts will usually look badly on a contract breaker.

So, no. The other alternative is to wait for the license to expire. But since it's uncertain how long companies license animes for, this is probably not a good idea. Worst case scenario is that you might have kids first.

This is in no way a definitive answer for the subject: a forum member pointed out to me that the fate of the recently deceased Geneon USA made it possible for all the animes under them to "not have a licensor anymore", in effect, "unlicensing" them. Some of their animes were licensed under different companies following this incident, but technically, for the record, unlicensing can happen due to a company collapsing.


The problem here is, no one check the news in Crunchyroll. That's why threads as we see appear >_>
They should like, put the news in sticky mode in the anime section
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