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If You Want Legit Anime With Good Subs On CR, Here's How To DIY
Posted 1/7/09 , edited 1/8/09
Every CR users can legally subtitle all legitimate anime series here on CR by themselves, with this CR Legal Licensing Agreement that can be found on every streamed legit anime episodes here on CR: http://www.crunchyroll.com/subtitle_tos?next=createsubtitle%3Fmedia_id%3D475202%26src%3Dsm


I had CR user brennan, who is a lawyer specializing in copyright & licensing, to validate this agreement, and here's his reply:


very quick answers, since i'm busy lately:

1. Yes, it will work IF and only if CR is allowed to translate and distribute the anime. How CR translates it is none of owner's concern, as long as it is accurate.
2. Read the fine print. The users do not have any ownership in the translation. CR retains all ownership of the translation script.
3. This means that CR will profit from the distribution of the subtitled anime, while you, the user, does not get anything in return (in fact, the user will commonly be paying the new $10 subscription fee to access this content).
4. CR is not required to give any credit to the users who did translation.
5. Having assigned the rights to CR may not be preferable to everyone (or anyone).

However, after I took a quick walk-through, I found out that even I can subtitle any anime on CR with just my basic membership. And furthermore, my user name will be on display as a formal acknowledgment and recognition of my subtitle work.

What this means, is that anyone, including the internet fansub groups, can now subtitle the legit anime series legally here on CR as a CR user.

Also, after madknight22 tried out the same feature himself, he confirmed that my validation to be indeed correct:

madknight22 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


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I'm sorry I thought they wouldn't but after I read this today I was like oh crap I told someone that they couldn't so yeah again I'm sorry...


Eh, don't worry about it I know you were just trying to save me time.

I'll recheck it again and post it and the link tomorrow.

That would be most appreciated, thanks.


Well I've been busy all day (spent the last 13 hours at the airport or in the air) so I am finally able to get on a free internet connection to submit my sub but there is no longer a need. A new version of the sub has been uploaded that has all the fixes I made. They added in the missing lines and honestly I think the timing is still a little sloppy but it is way better then it was before. It is definitely watchable now. I am sorry that this ruins the test to see if CR will accept fansubs but I will try again if I find another problem.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/media-506052/Zaion-Episode-1.html#showmedia_viewer_module=media_id%3D506052%26tab%3Dsubtitles

(The subs are also imprinted on the video now not just softsubs so my subs just get in the way. If we really want a test I could always make a spanish set but I don't think the show was good enough to warrant the effort)

In regards to other comments,
I was willing to spend my time to fix the sub so that no one else would have to watch it with messed up subtitles. I honestly don't care who owns the rights to the subtitle because its not like I am in the position to expect anything. I get to watch anime on CR for free just by watching the ads so I am willing to do something to benefit the site. It does say who made the sub though (in the subtitles tab) and that is credit enough.
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Awesome job as always DomFortress (looking forward to your subs if you're going to sub ;P)
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hasn't CR been profiting from community fansubs for long enough already. After all they removed all fansubs that gave them their fame in the first place. They want to become a business by going legit and offering the animes according to company agreements, therefore the symbiotic relationship is over. You pay the monthly fee and they are obliged to offer high quality subs IF they want to keep their members.

PS: just want to make something clear, it is not that im against their new business plan and all it is just think that these fan made subs are a way to give CR an excuse not to do their job. Hire people to go over subs, to make them, but asking that of the community is ridiculous. Dont say it is a personal choice kinda thing either, because if the subs come in high quality with no problem (and they come with problems right now; bad timing, non translated sentences, etc) there should be no need to make new ones.
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it's good practice for anyone who's studying the language even if they don't get money from it.
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It's surprising we have a lawyer as a CR user.

Posted 1/7/09 , edited 1/7/09
Hmm, you went and made the thread. Once again I commend you for taking the time to post this.

And also did I read correctly? $10 subscription fee for what? To sub the anime or the watch it? o.O


3. This means that CR will profit from the distribution of the subtitled anime, while you, the user, does not get anything in return (in fact, the user will commonly be paying the new $10 subscription fee to access this content).
Posted 1/7/09

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hasn't CR been profiting from community fansubs for long enough already. After all they removed all fansubs that gave them their fame in the first place. They want to become a business by going legit and offering the animes according to company agreements, therefore the symbiotic relationship is over. You pay the monthly fee and they are obliged to offer high quality subs IF they want to keep their members.

PS: just want to make something clear, it is not that im against their new business plan and all it is just think that these fan made subs are a way to give CR an excuse not to do their job. Hire people to go over subs, to make them, but asking that of the community is ridiculous. Dont say it is a personal choice kinda thing either, because if the subs come in high quality with no problem (and they come with problems right now; bad timing, non translated sentences, etc) there should be no need to make new ones.

Understandable, but then this would raise the question why & how did internet fansub groups subtitled all those illegitimate fansubs illegally. And although it's true that CR did once hosted illegitimate fansubs on the site, but all contents hosted by CR were user submitted materials, meaning that the CR users put them there for their own purpose, while CR just played host by offering its bandwidth. And now that there's a legal option for all sides to get what they want, I don't think there's any reason why they shouldn't go through with this.
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zealtron wrote:

Hmm, you went and made the thread. Once again I commend you for taking the time to post this.

And also did I read correctly? $10 subscription fee for what? To sub the anime or the watch it? o.O


3. This means that CR will profit from the distribution of the subtitled anime, while you, the user, does not get anything in return (in fact, the user will commonly be paying the new $10 subscription fee to access this content).


I think it's just part of this general assumption that people seem to have that the non-subscribers are to be phased out of CR completely.
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Posted 1/7/09

DomFortress wrote:


icaritos wrote:

hasn't CR been profiting from community fansubs for long enough already. After all they removed all fansubs that gave them their fame in the first place. They want to become a business by going legit and offering the animes according to company agreements, therefore the symbiotic relationship is over. You pay the monthly fee and they are obliged to offer high quality subs IF they want to keep their members.

PS: just want to make something clear, it is not that im against their new business plan and all it is just think that these fan made subs are a way to give CR an excuse not to do their job. Hire people to go over subs, to make them, but asking that of the community is ridiculous. Dont say it is a personal choice kinda thing either, because if the subs come in high quality with no problem (and they come with problems right now; bad timing, non translated sentences, etc) there should be no need to make new ones.

Understandable, but then this would raise the question why & how did internet fansub groups subtitled all those illegitimate fansubs illegally. And although it's true that CR did once hosted illegitimate fansubs on the site, but all contents hosted by CR were user submitted materials, meaning that the CR users put them there for their own purpose, while CR just played host by offering its bandwidth. And now that there's a legal option for all sides to get what they want, I don't think there's any reason why they shouldn't go through with this.


That seems to be true as most of the fansub groups have always wanted to claim that what they do is for the bettering of the Anime community and always state about how they are willing to sacrifice themselves for that very purpose.

This would just be a different form of the same process.
Posted 1/7/09

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It's surprising we have a lawyer as a CR user.


Speaking for myself here, as a fitness trainer and a mix martial artist, I'll bet if I look hard enough, I can find a priest among us. I did find a police officer here on CR, and now he's one of the member in my group.
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zealtron wrote:

Hmm, you went and made the thread. Once again I commend you for taking the time to post this.

And also did I read correctly? $10 subscription fee for what? To sub the anime or the watch it? o.O


3. This means that CR will profit from the distribution of the subtitled anime, while you, the user, does not get anything in return (in fact, the user will commonly be paying the new $10 subscription fee to access this content).


I think it's just part of this general assumption that people seem to have that the non-subscribers are to be phased out of CR completely.


But it isn't true right? Or was there an announcement about it?


DomFortress wrote:


s31r31 wrote:

It's surprising we have a lawyer as a CR user.


Speaking for myself here, as a fitness trainer and a mix martial artist, I'll bet if I look hard enough, I can find a priest among us. I did find a police officer here on CR, and now he's one of the member in my group.


I would like to see a nun here.
Posted 1/7/09 , edited 1/7/09

zealtron wrote:

Hmm, you went and made the thread. Once again I commend you for taking the time to post this.

And also did I read correctly? $10 subscription fee for what? To sub the anime or the watch it? o.O


3. This means that CR will profit from the distribution of the subtitled anime, while you, the user, does not get anything in return (in fact, the user will commonly be paying the new $10 subscription fee to access this content).

That's why I went on a test-drive with my basic membership, and it still lets me access the whole process without a hinge. Like he said so before, he was rather busy when I looked him up, so he didn't had the time to go through the actual process like I did. But it's still all legal accroding from him.
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Posted 1/7/09

DomFortress wrote:


s31r31 wrote:

It's surprising we have a lawyer as a CR user.


Speaking for myself here, as a fitness trainer and a mix martial artist, I'll bet if I look hard enough, I can find a priest among us. I did find a police officer here on CR, and now he's one of the member in my group.


That's not too unlikely Dom. Don't forget most of the students coming out of seminary are in that particular age group right now (anywhere from 18-26) to have grown up with the anime influence. And Ive know several older priests over the years who were very large fans in the fantsy and sci-fi circuits.
Posted 1/7/09

s31r31 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


s31r31 wrote:

It's surprising we have a lawyer as a CR user.


Speaking for myself here, as a fitness trainer and a mix martial artist, I'll bet if I look hard enough, I can find a priest among us. I did find a police officer here on CR, and now he's one of the member in my group.


I would like to see a nun here.

And to see just how entertaining she thinks of Chrono Crusade. *is getting hot in here*
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s31r31 wrote:


Kirgan wrote:


zealtron wrote:

Hmm, you went and made the thread. Once again I commend you for taking the time to post this.

And also did I read correctly? $10 subscription fee for what? To sub the anime or the watch it? o.O


3. This means that CR will profit from the distribution of the subtitled anime, while you, the user, does not get anything in return (in fact, the user will commonly be paying the new $10 subscription fee to access this content).


I think it's just part of this general assumption that people seem to have that the non-subscribers are to be phased out of CR completely.


But it isn't true right? Or was there an announcement about it?



No. Subscription users will just receive higher quality video, and certain extras like simulcasts, and some exclusive content.
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