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IMO Gintama is acceptable, Naruto is for addicts, Tower is acceptable but not in proper hi def, Shugo is cutesy-poo sailermoon with plushdolls, LineB of Iron is acceptable, Web Ghost is Dora the Explora for Japanese kids, Skip Beat is acceptable and Natsume looks acceptable. That's makes only 5 shows that I would be willing to watch. For many of you there are probably less than five shows. There are lots of interesting shows out this year, but CR doesn't seem to think that we would appreciate info on whether these shows are even being attempted !? It's a pain.



I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. All shows are being "attempted", if I understand that you mean CR is trying to get them for the site. So you're asking CR to potentially jeopardize negotiations with the production companies by disclosing which series it's close to making a deal for, prior to any formal announcement of the deal?
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Hey guys,

I compared the video streams from yesterday to today's. It seems that they have switched most if not all the videos on the site to a flash media server that uses encryption to prevent people from downloading the videos. In case you were wondering, yesterday the videos were in pure mp4 format (decrypted) hence the better quality. This update is very disappointing as the flash encoding of the files seems to have had a negative effect on quality and the encryption used is giving some people buffering issues as the video is supposedly deleted from memory as you watch it. It's my first month paying, maybe my last if things keep going this way.

-TXLZone


There is no quality difference between a video progressively downloaded via HTTP and a video downloaded via Flash Media Server. It's the same video.
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No, I definitely wasn't saying that I want any negotiations jeopardized. I was just saying (among other things) that the current lineup of shows was weak in comparison to the amount of money being charged.. especially when anybody can see any show through torrents for free. I wanna pay, be legit, and I have. But I also want fast from Japan hi def. I'm pretty sure that's what I paid for, but today that's definitely not what I got.

I didn't realize that you could jeopardize negotiations simply by indicating to your users that you are trying to get such and such a show. Though now in retrospect it could possibly harm future relations with companies due to the "bad press" that they would supposedly receive through this site when you tell your users that the show has not been able to be finalized. Still, there could be a nice way of saying those things as well.

All in all, I just look at the current lineup and I am unhappy. After I see the lineup, I read Shinji's posts. The posts seem to indicate that these eight shows are something that the subscribers should be satisfied with. I don't think any user besides Narutards would be satisfied. In my humble naive opinion, I say that Shinji should be writing his posts from the considered perspective of the user; as opposed to the overblown and paltry perspective of someone who is trying to sell something he or she might not personally buy themselves. If the product sucks, stop selling it and get a better one.

I do appreciate having the opportunity to support the media that I enjoy. But I want my money to go to the best new shows that Japan has to offer. I feel like the revenue that the anime companies miss out on through online pirating maybe isn't quite valued enough by them. Maybe it'll take going back to 0$ internet revenue for them to wake up and lower their asking price. It's obvious that a better deal with more shows will garner more subscribers. If this is truly the internet anime revolution that I hope it to be; it needs to be more of a landslide of high-quality streams for less money. Otherwise CR and the anime companies are just suckering a few hardcore nerds into paying money for less of an experience than they previously had for free. Someone is gonna crack this nut, and I hope it's you guys.. cause you already have my money
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Posted 1/8/09

finalmattasy wrote:

I didn't realize that you could jeopardize negotiations simply by indicating to your users that you are trying to get such and such a show. Though now in retrospect it could possibly harm future relations with companies due to the "bad press" that they would supposedly receive through this site when you tell your users that the show has not been able to be finalized. Still, there could be a nice way of saying those things as well.



I think it's like any business deal. Any potential leak could be dangerous for negotiations. So from a business perspective, it's pretty much untenable to announce anything before the contracts are inked. I don't think FUNimation is out there posting press releases before they actually license the series.

Anyway, you know who Crunchyroll's partners are currently, and you can figure out which series are currently unlicensed for digital distribution. So if you want to speculate which titles CR is targeting, you could probably come up with a list. But good luck getting CR to post what they're targeting currently


finalmattasy wrote:

All in all, I just look at the current lineup and I am unhappy. After I see the lineup, I read Shinji's posts. The posts seem to indicate that these eight shows are something that the subscribers should be satisfied with. I don't think any user besides Narutards would be satisfied. In my humble naive opinion, I say that Shinji should be writing his posts from the considered perspective of the user; as opposed to the overblown and paltry perspective of someone who is trying to sell something he or she might not personally buy themselves. If the product sucks, stop selling it and get a better one.



I'm sure there are some users out there who would subscribe just for Naruto, so it varies from person to person. The current lineup might not appeal to everybody, but it's only going to grow, not shrink. Rome wasn't built in a day, nor does Crunchyroll replace all of its lost content in the matter of weeks
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Thanx for the responses. I went to check Funimation and they do have allot of shows; they also clearly disclose the idea that what they are doing is in a "beta" phase of development. Both of these aspects appeal to me. But I couldn't find any membership being advertised, nor could I see any "simulcast" type of programming idea. Both of these aspects I value about CR. CR and Funimation are the only two companies I've heard of vying for this type of media delivery in a lucrative legal way. I had assumed that you were working for CR. If you are I understand, but if you're not -do you know of any other companies attempting these types of services?
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Thanx for the responses. I went to check Funimation and they do have allot of shows; they also clearly disclose the idea that what they are doing is in a "beta" phase of development. Both of these aspects appeal to me. But I couldn't find any membership being advertised, nor could I see any "simulcast" type of programming idea. Both of these aspects I value about CR. CR and Funimation are the only two companies I've heard of vying for this type of media delivery in a lucrative legal way. I had assumed that you were working for CR. If you are I understand, but if you're not -do you know of any other companies attempting these types of services?


Oh sorry, I meant that you don't see FUNimation announcing that they are licensing a series before they actually license it. I wasn't referring to their streaming solution on their website. But even if they did list "upcoming titles" it would only be for series that they've already inked the contracts for.

Regarding other sites offering legal streams, Hulu and Joost come to mind (they are also streaming Naruto Shippuden along with CR).
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Oh sorry, I meant that you don't see FUNimation announcing that they are licensing a series before they actually license it. I wasn't referring to their streaming solution on their website. But even if they did list "upcoming titles" it would only be for series that they've already inked the contracts for.

Regarding other sites offering legal streams, Hulu and Joost come to mind (they are also streaming Naruto Shippuden along with CR).

Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying. I was just asking something else. Hope that the streaming can get fixed sooner than later, but the quality is really what matters. It doesn't work for me at all, and from what I understand allot of users. Up till today I could click on a 720p feed and in about 10 minutes or so it would be entirely downloaded and watchable without fear of it being stopped midway. Now the download doesn't even show progress and playback stutters usually every 5 seconds. I simply can't watch shows, and what I do get looks uglier than the old streams. Could CR maybe go back to yesterday's way of streaming and trash the piracy prevention methods or whatever for now? From what I've heard the shows have already been stolen. Just switch back to the old way until the bugs can get ironed out. As it stands, CR is useless to me outside of having nice msgboards to complain on.
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Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying. I was just asking something else. Hope that the streaming can get fixed sooner than later, but the quality is really what matters. It doesn't work for me at all, and from what I understand allot of users. Up till today I could click on a 720p feed and in about 10 minutes or so it would be entirely downloaded and watchable without fear of it being stopped midway. Now the download doesn't even show progress and playback stutters usually every 5 seconds. I simply can't watch shows, and what I do get looks uglier than the old streams. Could CR maybe go back to yesterday's way of streaming and trash the piracy prevention methods or whatever for now? From what I've heard the shows have already been stolen. Just switch back to the old way until the bugs can get ironed out. As it stands, CR is useless to me outside of having nice msgboards to complain on.


If you could download a 20-25 minute 720p episode fully in 10 minutes, then you should by all means be able to stream it in real time. Not sure what's going on here, but you shouldn't have any stuttering problems at all.
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If you could download a 20-25 minute 720p episode fully in 10 minutes, then you should by all means be able to stream it in real time. Not sure what's going on here, but you shouldn't have any stuttering problems at all.


yeah, it actually coulda been up to 25 min, even though I said 10 (maybe that was just the 480 stuff). Sorry for the probable missinfo. What I do know is that I would watch a show while having the next ep loading in the background. By the time the first show was done the next show would be smooth sailing. Regardless, allot of people are having problems with the new format, and I would have expected a solution by now; especially given the hype behind CR's first batch of simulcasts.
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Is anyone else having a problem with watching the new episodes like The tower of druaga, the sword and Naruto Shippuden? I try and watch boht of them in either 480P or 720P but i have slight conflict. I'm almost certain i have everything in order for it to stream quickly and with ease but it takes forever to load and keep going. I have the latest update for shockwave player as well, I don't understand?? Isn't half of what i payed for was to watch high quality anime with ease?(the other half was to support the anime industry as a whole). I hope this changes.
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The initial launch of the simulcasts is officially a train wreck.

Bandwidth needs to easily be 2 to 10 times what it is currently (CR's end), because tons of people can't even get anything to show up at all, let alone keep up. The player needs to be totally revamped (at the very least to allow for proper buffering and video smoothing ON by default)... improved subtitles, prosecuting the hackers who have made CR a laughing stock... ... ... ...

This list is too long.
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I did three speed tests and I'm averaging around 500 or 600 kbps. The highest was about 800 and the lowest was about 320 kbps. No idea whether that's supposed to be good enough or not, but as I said before the new streams don't work for me. Yesterday things worked fine.
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chris wrote:


finalmattasy wrote:

Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying. I was just asking something else. Hope that the streaming can get fixed sooner than later, but the quality is really what matters. It doesn't work for me at all, and from what I understand allot of users. Up till today I could click on a 720p feed and in about 10 minutes or so it would be entirely downloaded and watchable without fear of it being stopped midway. Now the download doesn't even show progress and playback stutters usually every 5 seconds. I simply can't watch shows, and what I do get looks uglier than the old streams. Could CR maybe go back to yesterday's way of streaming and trash the piracy prevention methods or whatever for now? From what I've heard the shows have already been stolen. Just switch back to the old way until the bugs can get ironed out. As it stands, CR is useless to me outside of having nice msgboards to complain on.


If you could download a 20-25 minute 720p episode fully in 10 minutes, then you should by all means be able to stream it in real time. Not sure what's going on here, but you shouldn't have any stuttering problems at all.


I don't know what you guys did but it totally broke the website for me for all of my browsers today: I use Mozilla Firefox nightlies (i.e. Minefield) with Flash player 9.0.45.0, and IE6 with the same version of Flash. In Firefox, the SWF file refuses to display, citing out-of-date flash player or disabled scripts, which are both incorrect. In IE6, the noDRM files work fine, but the DRM streams do not work at all, stuck at the beginning without any video downloading. (EDIT before post: WTH now it works! ...and now it doesn't again.)

For the record, I can't download a 720p episode in real time. Theoretically it should be possible at about 0.4x realtime, assuming a 233MB file.

The move from a progressive download to a streaming architecture is pretty stupid from a usability standpoint, because it requires that the user's sustained bandwidth exceed the bitrate of the stream; a progressive download can be done below real time and be watched in real time later; a stream cannot (assuming that CR's new as3player implements streaming in a secure fashion and won't buffer more than a few seconds.)

The move to a streaming protocol is likely due to a futile gesture of staying ahead of the streamrippers. Let me say this loud and clear: SWF-based DRM is futile and pointless.
I have little experience in reverse engineering, but I noticed that the as3player.swf file has been significantly expanded in the past three days and is beginning to be obfuscated (private static function _Obfuscate(arg1:Number):uint has been renamed, but I still know what it is.), but by using old versions as reference, one can easily identify the original code.

While encrypting the subtitles had very little impact on customer experience due to the one-shot download of the XML file at the beginning of the video (I had no real objection to this), the move to encrypted video/audio streaming instead of a unencrypted progressive download significantly impacts customer experience (and in my case, it doesn't work at all!!). And it also takes significant CPU time to crunch AES-128 on Crunchyroll's side.

Seriously, please cut it out with the DRM. If you want to do DRM, don't make mistakes like leaving the decrypted content in memory any longer than necessary. Don't use a SHA-1 hash of Math.floor(Math.sqrt(6.9) * Math.pow(2, 25)) ^ arg1; to generate an AES key, because that's just mocking the creators of AES by using such a poor key generation process. At the very least, use a faster cipher to save CPU processing power.
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The initial launch of the simulcasts is officially a train wreck.

Bandwidth needs to easily be 2 to 10 times what it is currently (CR's end), because tons of people can't even get anything to show up at all, let alone keep up. The player needs to be totally revamped (at the very least to allow for proper buffering and video smoothing ON by default)... improved subtitles, prosecuting the hackers who have made CR a laughing stock... ... ... ...

This list is too long.


They HAVE improved the subtitles. That is a HUGE check mark in CR's favor: they're willing to change their translations based on feedback.

Old:
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New:
<event id="10709111" start="0:08:32.73" end="0:08:35.85" style="SB01" name="Kyoko" margin_l="0000" margin_r="0000" margin_v="0000" effect="" text="And Moko is acquainted with such an amazing rich girl."></event>


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Glad to see that steps are already being make improvements.

Thanks
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