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Posted 1/8/09 , edited 1/8/09
There is now a rip of Naruto episode 91 passing around the net.

I was not surprised, I was fully aware that this would've happened eventually, however I hoped that people would respect the CR revolution and leave it be without any ripping and such. I've never had anything against the Naruto-community, but this just made me terribly annoyed.

God, I hope the ripper gets tracked and sued.
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Posted 1/8/09
There is nothing you can do, just 2 months ago Crunchy roll was taking rips from Dattebayo(they already said they are going to do 91 so no complaints there) so it will never stop, you just have to have faith in the legal anime fans.
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I think piracy is going to happen anyway. I mean, if you look around at the torrent sites, there's lots of English language stuff that's on TV in the US (and DVD rips of US stuff) floating around all over. There are people that will do it, and that's probably not going to change. But there's also a lot of people who only downloaded that stuff because there was no other way to get it, and will happily go someplace legal (like here) to get it if you can get it legally. I'm not saying the pirates should be ignored -- some effort probably should be done to get DMCA notices sent to the seeders, or to the original sharers if they can be tracker -- but I am saying that the presence of pirates shouldn't cause them to stop providing them. The studios need to have faith that there are enough people who will appreciate getting it legally to make money off them. Most of the people who still pirate it after it's available legally probably never would have bought it to begin with, and only get it because it's free, so there's really nothing lost.
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Posted 1/9/09
I have heard of the rips on other sites. Isn't it only the anime members who can rip the videos from crunchyroll since only they can see the streams in the first week?

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There are various addons that can be used to download the video. But downloading the videos will not be enough since on crunchyroll the subtitles are softsubs. That mean people have found a way to rip the softsubs. I think Shinji and his team should find a way to make it hard to rip the softsubs.
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Posted 1/9/09
I agree with you there, Aanalytical_gal. I hope CR improves the security of the streams.
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Posted 1/9/09 , edited 1/9/09
Yesh, well Shinji has already sent out PM's to starmembers to inform us bout the updates and things he's working on. So yes, he's most likely trying to do something bout the rips~ Let's just keep our fingers crossed. ^^
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Posted 1/9/09
ya i just watched the rip i think,,, but is there anyway we can get the offical subs to be a tad bit smaller text? i mean half the screen was taken up by the txt
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Posted 1/9/09 , edited 1/9/09
Just to let you guys know something about the streams. It only gets as secure as Adobe (Guess this is whats used on the site) wants it or if Shinji wants to buy more servers. Because Crunchyroll is using something called RTMPE (Encrypted Real-Time Messaging Protocol)

Now, i'm not going to say so much about this, but the RTMPE connection isn't so secure because there are programs out there that can collect the data!

I would have suggested for Shinji to use RTMPS, as there are no way to collect the data (I haven't found any posts on other sites on how to do this nor on google yet ) but the only problem with RTMPS is that it use a lot more CPU than RTMPE, so it means that Shinji have to use more money on the server(s) to keep it going and maybe more money on SSL/TLS.

So what I guess is that Shinji is using RTMPE to use less money on the site. This also mean we don't have to pay so much for anime membership. The more money the site use the more we have to pay (we that preorded this shouldn't have to worry about this I guess)

So to quote something from the PM that Shinji sent, "This switch was necessary to help protect our publishers' content." Yes its protecting the publishers' content because we aren't able to locate the source file for download. Some of you might have noticed this.

Bah, I really hate writing long messages
Anyway, hope its not to hard to understand Was just trying to say that you can never get it fully secure.
And i'm I don't really understand much of this myself, but this is how I look at it.

And the subtitles, you are able to access the page where the encrypted data is, so all you need to know is how to decrypt it and you will be able to get the subtitle script finished. So all you need to do then is just add it to the video file.


A bit off-topic: DB released their last sub of Naruto some hours ago, so it would have gotten out on the net anyway.
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Posted 1/9/09 , edited 1/9/09

PhaxeNor wrote:
"This switch was necessary to help protect our publishers' content."


Note that it's in past tense. Obviously it didn't work which has me worried.
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vick1986 wrote:

Note that it's in past tense. Obviously it didn't work which has me worried.


yea, I know. But it does protect the content to a point. The current program is only able to capture the data coming from the rtmpe stream. So it doesn't access the data directly as were able to do before.
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Posted 1/9/09

PhaxeNor wrote:


vick1986 wrote:

Note that it's in past tense. Obviously it didn't work which has me worried.


yea, I know. But it does protect the content to a point. The current program is only able to capture the data coming from the rtmpe stream. So it doesn't access the data directly as were able to do before.


It does seem to have improved. Any idiot used to be able to use the realplayer downloader to rip the video.

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Well, in a way it's having the opposite affect that they intend, and hurting the legitimate viewers in the process.

Say I have an HTPC box hooked up to my HDTV, and I want to watch a show on TV instead of on my computer. With the previous unencrypted mp4 files, I could use any old flash video grabber to snag the video stream and save it to my HTPC box so I could then watch it on the TV. It's actually less likely to wind up on the net this way because any old Joe with an account can snag the file, so why would anyone have to share it? Once they encrypt it, the people who would use it legitimately for themselves get upset that they can't use it how they want, and resort to pirating it off the net from someone who managed to decrypt the stream. Of course this gets shared, because there's only a few folks out there with the know-how to do the decryption, and they're going to do it just because they can and so they can brag about it.

The real way to solve this is instead of encrypting the stream, you embed unique markers of some sort into the stream for each user you send it to. Send it down over an HTTPS channel so you can guarantee the user logged in is the only user getting it, but the video itself within that HTTPS is in the clear (plain old mp4?) so people can do whatever they want with it. But then those trace markers are in the stream so when it gets shared, you know exactly which user shared it, and can terminate their account for violating the terms of service (and potentially sue them for the lost revenue, or directly fine them if you have a credit card on file and word the membership agreement correctly up front).
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Posted 1/9/09
I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.
Posted 1/10/09

DYxForever wrote:

I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.
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