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Posted 1/10/09

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I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.


Yes but people who arent anime members have to wait a week before they are allowed to watch the episode.Many people dont like waiting that's why it was ripped and streamed at other areas for these fans who do not like waiting and do not have the privillage of having an anime membership.Not that I agree with their actions but I do understand their point.
Posted 1/10/09

DYxForever wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.


Yes but people who arent anime members have to wait a week before they are allowed to watch the episode.Many people dont like waiting that's why it was ripped and streamed at other areas for these fans who do not like waiting and do not have the privillage of having an anime membership.Not that I agree with their actions but I do understand their point.

So according to that sense of value, once again, it was not to for them to support the anime subculture, but rather it's simply for their instant self-gratification.

Well I've but one solution to this problem:
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Posted 1/10/09

DomFortress wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.

Actually, I agree with Dom that the rippers of the simulcast streams are doing it for intentionally sinister/disrespectful reasons. In fact, I've even seen one popular site, that charges a fee for downloading fansubs and pirated anime/manga, promote the biggest newest group of rippers when he was commenting on who's subbing shippuden eps now that DB quit.
He had no problem letting it seem like that group where actual subbers, in his announcement, even though he's commented on how they rip it all from CR, elsewhere.

It's obvious that these are people that dislike CR and are out to disrupt it's new direction by ripping all new uploads and redistributing them, as soon as they release. Seems like the true pirates are declaring war on Crunchyroll. I suppose what's happening at CR goes too far towards destroying their online world of pirated anime.


By the way, Dom, the official TVTM subs for Shippuden are done by Viz, and they won't allow CR to alter them. It's assumed that Viz has intentionally mangled the translations in order to better appeal to it's target mainstream demographics at the Hulu and Joost websites.
Posted 1/10/09 , edited 1/10/09

The_X_box_360 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.

Actually, I agree with Dom that the rippers of the simulcast streams are doing it for intentionally sinister/disrespectful reasons. In fact, I've even seen one popular site, that charges a fee for downloading fansubs and pirated anime/manga, promote the biggest newest group of rippers when he was commenting on who's subbing shippuden eps now that DB quit.
He had no problem letting it seem like that group where actual subbers, in his announcement, even though he's commented on how they rip it all from CR, elsewhere.

It's obvious that these are people that dislike CR and are out to disrupt it's new direction by ripping all new uploads and redistributing them, as soon as they release. Seems like the true pirates are declaring war on Crunchyroll. I suppose what's happening at CR goes too far towards destroying their online world of pirated anime
.


By the way, Dom, the official TVTM subs for Shippuden are done by Viz, and they won't allow CR to alter them. It's assumed that Viz has intentionally mangled the translations in order to better appeal to it's target mainstream demographics at the Hulu and Joost websites.

Such arrogance and malice! And they're even preying on anime fans for profits! Well then when it's a war that they want, we can all give it to them by 1)not supporting their cause in any manner, 2)report them to the proper authorities, which in this case are CR & Viz, and 3) let proactive anime fan like myself to bring justice to them by telling the truth on their sites, because I'm morally obligated to feel that's the right thing to do.

BTW thanks for clearing the part about the Naruto subtitling, you did great.
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Posted 1/10/09

DomFortress wrote:


The_X_box_360 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.

Actually, I agree with Dom that the rippers of the simulcast streams are doing it for intentionally sinister/disrespectful reasons. In fact, I've even seen one popular site, that charges a fee for downloading fansubs and pirated anime/manga, promote the biggest newest group of rippers when he was commenting on who's subbing shippuden eps now that DB quit.
He had no problem letting it seem like that group where actual subbers, in his announcement, even though he's commented on how they rip it all from CR, elsewhere.

It's obvious that these are people that dislike CR and are out to disrupt it's new direction by ripping all new uploads and redistributing them, as soon as they release. Seems like the true pirates are declaring war on Crunchyroll. I suppose what's happening at CR goes too far towards destroying their online world of pirated anime
.


By the way, Dom, the official TVTM subs for Shippuden are done by Viz, and they won't allow CR to alter them. It's assumed that Viz has intentionally mangled the translations in order to better appeal to it's target mainstream demographics at the Hulu and Joost websites.

Such arrogance and malice! And they're even preying on anime fans for profits! Well then when it's a war that they want, we can all give it to them by 1)not supporting their cause in any manner, 2)report them to the proper authorities, which in this case are CR & Viz, and 3) let proactive anime fan like myself to bring justice to them by telling the truth on their sites, because I'm morally obligated to feel that's the right thing to do.

BTW thanks for clearing the part about the Naruto subtitling, you did great.

Yeah, and as far as the pirated-anime site that charges a fee for downloads of fansubs, I don't mind telling anyone who wants to know just who they are. I'm all for reporting them, but I've just been to lazy to try and collect evidence links, track the origins of the site and owner(s), and submit the info to the proper authorities..... so far.

I just ask that you shoot me a PM, if you wanna know. I'd rather not taint our forum by advertising such loathsome websites.
Posted 1/10/09

The_X_box_360 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


The_X_box_360 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

I predicted this.The world is a place where everyone wants their stuff for free and cheap.

But I hardly think that was the reason for the particular CR user to ripped the legit anime,which is licensed by CR, and then distributed illegally over the internet. In fact, I believe it was for a reason that's disrespectful and sinister in nature.

The anime in question, Naruto Shippuden, is already region free except France and Japan. So almost everyone can watch it without relying on stealing, either by subscribing for an anime CR membership, and watch it 1 hour after Japanese airing in HD, or wait for a week and still watch it with a basic CR membership. It's already subtitled by TV Tokyo themselves, so there's no point to rip it and then use it as raw file for illegal subbing. And since watching & possessing anime is a luxury, not a right, I can only concur that whoever ripped the anime off CR was only doing it because he/she finds the act of stealing to be rewarding, it makes him/her happy to disrespect the anime industry.

Actually, I agree with Dom that the rippers of the simulcast streams are doing it for intentionally sinister/disrespectful reasons. In fact, I've even seen one popular site, that charges a fee for downloading fansubs and pirated anime/manga, promote the biggest newest group of rippers when he was commenting on who's subbing shippuden eps now that DB quit.
He had no problem letting it seem like that group where actual subbers, in his announcement, even though he's commented on how they rip it all from CR, elsewhere.

It's obvious that these are people that dislike CR and are out to disrupt it's new direction by ripping all new uploads and redistributing them, as soon as they release. Seems like the true pirates are declaring war on Crunchyroll. I suppose what's happening at CR goes too far towards destroying their online world of pirated anime
.


By the way, Dom, the official TVTM subs for Shippuden are done by Viz, and they won't allow CR to alter them. It's assumed that Viz has intentionally mangled the translations in order to better appeal to it's target mainstream demographics at the Hulu and Joost websites.

Such arrogance and malice! And they're even preying on anime fans for profits! Well then when it's a war that they want, we can all give it to them by 1)not supporting their cause in any manner, 2)report them to the proper authorities, which in this case are CR & Viz, and 3) let proactive anime fan like myself to bring justice to them by telling the truth on their sites, because I'm morally obligated to feel that's the right thing to do.

BTW thanks for clearing the part about the Naruto subtitling, you did great.

Yeah, and as far as the pirated-anime site that charges a fee for downloads of fansubs, I don't mind telling anyone who wants to know just who they are. I'm all for reporting them, but I've just been to lazy to try and collect evidence links, track the origins of the site and owner(s), and submit the info to the proper authorities..... so far.

I just ask that you shoot me a PM, if you wanna know. I'd rather not taint our forum by advertising such loathsome websites.

As long as you can provide a source link for the illegal material file to the proper authorities, they can handle the rest of the investigations by checking the OSP's internet activities, with the help of the ISP that's providing the bandwidth to access those files.

And I'll be grateful if you could PM me those sites, I'm both a lover and a fighter for my passion, and I couldn't be happier when I can be both at the same time.
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Posted 1/10/09

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The real way to solve this is instead of encrypting the stream, you embed unique markers of some sort into the stream for each user you send it to. Send it down over an HTTPS channel so you can guarantee the user logged in is the only user getting it, but the video itself within that HTTPS is in the clear (plain old mp4?) so people can do whatever they want with it. But then those trace markers are in the stream so when it gets shared, you know exactly which user shared it, and can terminate their account for violating the terms of service (and potentially sue them for the lost revenue, or directly fine them if you have a credit card on file and word the membership agreement correctly up front).


I like this idea
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Posted 1/11/09 , edited 1/11/09
From this thread: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-436082/HorribleSubs-Crunchyroll-Ripping.html#21275069

This is a comment on one of the crunchyroll rips

"Hey Shinji i heard you like your videos being on Veoh ? I shall do that next ! Catch me Catch you!"



I am seeing red....

Edit

Horrible subs put up another rip with the comment: Shinji, get on rizon #/a/ and ask for Devon[Po]​ | Lol talking about us on CR! | 720p in 30min or so

Shinji should do what justdave said i.e. to place a tracker on the streams, and trace who the user is.

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Posted 1/11/09 , edited 1/11/09
Sigh, I just realized that there are a lot of users who are plainly immature. The posts on that thread left me speechless. They seem to assume the the anime members are brainless or something and they are the smartest people in the world. Really, I was expected that people would rip off this website, but to praise their actions while bashing that of crunchyroll's, and their vain attitudes are sickening me.
What amuses me are those who say that they want crunchyroll to fail and that without the users it will and yet they are still here

PS: The moderators have a lot of cleaning up to do
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